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holy shit, that place Reign/budo - closed too?

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Originally posted by PivotTechno No grudge, I'm just trying to comprehend your personal philosophy. From the sounds of their track record, they don't seem to do a very good job of discouraging it, either. And while the idiots doing the fighting should take full responsibility for their actions, every fire needs fuel, and the bar is providing it. So, until there's some way you can impart to alcohol-loving, overindulging patrons the necessity of controlling their intake while in public, it only makes sense that the bar shoulder some of the weight for what takes place in their establishment. And while your account of AGCO goings-on may be at least somewhat accurate, your biases are most certainly showing. I've been witness to some pretty obnoxious behaviour in bars and nightclubs and many times over have also watched supposedly professional bar staff serving people well past the point of intoxication. As it's said, "there's three sides to every story - your side, my side, and the side of the truth".

Other than where the bouncer interfered with the cop, i dont see a problem here. How does a bar discourage it? So people are partying and having a lot of fun (to the AGCO thats revving them up). There is a recent case here that i know about where the AGCO pretty much forced a bar to stop playing top40 and play more adult friendly music as they felt that lady gaga was making people rowdy. Im not even joking. I heard it straight from the manager themself!!

And i dont buy that by selling alcohol you are promoting fighting. No. By selling alcohol you are selling alcohol. If you have a fight occur it should be dealt with but thats not the bar owners fault no matter how much is served. (yeah yeah i know what the law says but im talking practical common sense here)

My description of the AGCO is perfectly accurate. From personal experience to hearing first hand accounts from multiple owners and managers i can tell you that this is exactly how things run down there. Its fucking sad to put it bluntly.

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Originally posted by breathesteve What's going to happen to Footwork when that big new condo right beside it is finished? Still another year or so away from finishing but frankly I'm a little worried for its survival Hopefully they are prepared for that.

there's already a condo between Brant house and Footwork
that whole area has at least another building or 2

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Originally posted by breathesteve What's going to happen to Footwork when that big new condo right beside it is finished? Still another year or so away from finishing but frankly I'm a little worried for its survival Hopefully they are prepared for that.

How to get rid of a nightclub in toronto to put up a condo:

Step 1: Have the AGCO show up every night. Have the AGCO charge the club frivolously and repeatedly.

Step 2: Have cops show up in uniform regularly and walk through the club. Also have said cops stand outside asking patrons if they are drunk and/or put a spot check next to the club often

Step 3: Suspend licence of the club. Even though most likely 2/3 of the frivolous charges have been thrown out, its a numbers game. So the 1/3 most of which are probably bogus, get to stick and you are closed for 45 days (and a lot of people are laid off)

Step 4: If this doesnt work, set up a sting. Do an investigation and discover that yes, some patrons probably do have drugs

Step 5: Raid the club at peak time.

Step 5a: If anything is found like drugs hold a press conference

Step 5b: If nothing much is found, put a small item on the police blotter and hope its not a slow newsday.

Step 6: Somehow rumours float around that there was a stabbing or shooting, thus justifying the raid even when nothing of that nature occurred.

If the place isnt shut down by now, their reputation is now at least sullied enough that its only a matter of time.

And then VOILA! Condo time!

Rinse and Repeat....

Was it 6 years ago now that i started warning everyone about the death of clubland vis a vis condos? And i remember everyone telling me i was practically crazy...

hmmmmmm

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew there's already a condo between Brant house and Footwork that whole area has at least another building or 2

Correct me if I'm wrong, but FW is already part of a commercial building no? I think Footy's not going to be affected by any condo buildings in/ around them..

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Was it 6 years ago now that i started warning everyone about the death of clubland vis a vis condos? And i remember everyone telling me i was practically crazy... hmmmmmm

A small area of the core saturated with cookie-cutter venues all vying for the same, fickle, bottle-service weaned crowd + long-encroaching downtown real estate interests...



You're a regular Nostradamus!

At this point, it's a dead horse. It will be interesting to see which direction things head in now. At least when the 80s look-and-sound same bar scene folded in on itself there was a wealth of viable warehouse space in the core.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew there's already a condo between Brant house and Footwork that whole area has at least another building or 2

I know that. But this new one is RIGHT outside Footwork's door in the alley way where the noise spills out. The noise complaints and calls to police will probably be 3x. And this new condo looks like it will be huge.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno A small area of the core saturated with cookie-cutter venues all vying for the same, fickle, bottle-service weaned crowd + long-encroaching downtown real estate interests... You're a regular Nostradamus! At this point, it's a dead horse. It will be interesting to see which direction things head in now. At least when the 80s look-and-sound same bar scene folded in on itself there was a wealth of viable warehouse space in the core.

the diff is that the city accommodated new clubs. Now there are too many laws preventing it on all levels. It will not regenerate unless those laws change

I didn't foresee the rave crackdown extending to the clubs, that's for sure.

Oh well, psytrance it is...

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Originally posted by Wurm I didn't foresee the rave crackdown extending to the clubs, that's for sure.

Where there's a will there's a way and where there's demand there will be supply. They can kill the clubs but there will just be a new way and place to get your fix. Warehouses -> Clubs -> ....where next?

Used to be able to get a rave flyer weeks in advance; now I get an email on Friday afternoon telling me about a party that night. Guess I'm too old to be that spontaneous anymore.

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Originally posted by GGM .where next?

eastern europe id say

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