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HAHA in that case im wondering why i even have discussions with you people - its like having a discussion with a christian. I thought this part of TA where a little more real.

I don't know, i just stopped feeding trolls a long time ago

Come on, what do you expect a discussion on what people define intristic value for their needs? That's just a rathole.

In don't need to convince anyone, neither the other way around.
You can not define for me where to find value and fulfillment, neither can i for you. I can explain why i do what i do, but if you find it crap? your call. Same rules apply the other way around.

The only difference is: i still can do all the stuff that you do. And if i really want to i can also do it better. as in tighter, punchier, more warmth, bigger stage, without those crappy phased stereo spread artifacts. Do you find value in that? if yes, good for you, If not than no need to convince eachother right?

- The proof of hte pudding is in the eating
- Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
- Lack of funds is always a compromise for decission criteria

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Originally posted by Raphie The only difference is: i still can do all the stuff that you do. And if i really want to i can also do it better. as in tighter, punchier, more warmth, bigger stage

This is exactly what my earlier post was aimed towards originally before I edited it. This comes across quite arrogant. I'd say your beatport proves you wrong. I'd feel more inclined to say your music sounds overly mixed, stale and bland mostly. Apart from one track I actually never quite felt it, which music is primarily about. You might put it off as being my opinion but I don't think that is the actual problem. Your mixes sound transparent but have no life/feeling in them anymore.

I feel you focus on the technical side to much hoping it will make up for the poor musical content. Whilst being able to afford yourself some quality gear you boast with every day your portfolio doesn't back any of it up. If anything, I think your music could actually benefit from doing less regarding the mixdown. It's a shame really.

I'm not saying my music is any better, I do however thing you're a bit out of touch with reality and need to get off that cloud you're sitting on.

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- Lack of funds is always a compromise for decission criteria

...but doesn't necessarily compromise the results.

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Originally posted by ken_lee eric prydz have been doing it for years.

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Ok, let's rephrase this before it turns into an unintended cat fight.
You can you better quality productions with my gear can you can do in your box. Does that sound better?

you don't have to like my music, it's not a problem.

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Originally posted by Raphie You can you better quality productions with my gear can you can do on box.

thats the stupidest thing ive read here for a while. congratz

edit: i need to find a new forum, this place doesnt give me anything anymore.

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Originally posted by ken_lee thats the stupidest thing ive read here for a while. congratz edit: i need to find a new forum, this place doesnt give me anything anymore.

Indeed, maybe the softsynth forum?

But seriously, ST's productions WILL sound better once ran through an analogue chain.

Guys nobody is saying that VSTi's are shite, some of you are just so fucking ignorant, because they had a Roland MC-303 or Korg KAOSS, or Drumstation thingy, with a crappy Mackie VLZ mixer in the past, they think they know anything about high end analogue. based upon some fucking toys. No use discussing that.

It will change over time once you have to opportunity to actually play with some this stuff. Then you will experience exactly where it differentiates and where it has a function in your setup.

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Originally posted by Storyteller I'd feel more inclined to say your music sounds overly mixed, stale and bland mostly.

+1

+1 Imagine what my gear could acomplish in "capable" hands

(Beatflux, you will not piss me off, i'm not tempted to enter a cat fight at all.)

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Originally posted by Raphie +1 Imagine what my gear could acomplish in "capable" hands (Beatflux, you will not piss me off, i'm not tempted to enter a cat fight at all.)

Who cares. Song writing is so under appreciated that it's sad.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Who cares. Song writing is so under appreciated that it's sad.

Not sure what you're on about? what does songwriting has to do with mixing skills and gear?

elaborate on your point? remember, this discussion is not about the carpenter, but the quality of nails and hammer.
It's so easy to make this a "what a waste of gear, for such a lack of talent" issue. Because that's not what this topic is about.

"It is one thing to own a woman, and it is another to have her within the bonds of an excellent mastery."

Page 465 - Magicians of Gor



....or perhaps.....



"To share the kettle of a friend," I said, "is to dine with a Ubar."

Page 349 - Blood Brothers of Gor



I hope that helps the debate somewhat!

OP - you asked about how to do away with monitors.

In this months Future Music mag a well know producer (I can't recall his name!!) show cased his studio and shockingly has never used monitors. He uses an ancient pair of white cheapo pc speakers he rescued from a skip!

I've come accross other examples of this too.

Ok maybe not ideal, but none the less some pro's do it. Also I knew a chap on the Anjuna forum who got some good releases, all done using basic headphones.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler OP - you asked about how to do away with monitors. In this months Future Music mag a well know producer (I can't recall his name!!) show cased his studio and shockingly has never used monitors. He uses an ancient pair of white cheapo pc speakers he rescued from a skip! I've come accross other examples of this too. Ok maybe not ideal, but none the less some pro's do it. Also I knew a chap on the Anjuna forum who got some good releases, all done using basic headphones.

That's pretty amazing. I guess if you know your listening device EXTREMELY well it can be done, no matter what it is.

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In this months Future Music mag a well know producer (I can't recall his name!!) show cased his studio and shockingly has never used monitors. He uses an ancient pair of white cheapo pc speakers he rescued from a skip!

do you fucking believe he hasnt used monitors? rofl, i even posted a pic from his studio WITH KRK monitors. hahaha he was just trolling and you morons fall for it. give me a break you guys dont have a clue.

it was sebastion leger btw, and he has great sense of humor.

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it will sound better through analog chain

theres an afterlife in heaven too, if you only behave

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Originally posted by Raphie But seriously, ST's productions WILL sound better once ran through an analogue chain.

My instinct is that you could be right, but I am also mindful that you can give someone a sugar tablet and pretend it's medicine and they get better - the placebo effect.

Also I discovered somthing recentyl about how the mind can trip me up >> I was tweaking away on my synth and automating the movements and thinking the tweaks really made a difference. Then I realised the synth was disengaged and not being tweaked at all - what a mindfuk!

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Originally posted by ken_lee do you fucking believe he hasnt used monitors? rofl, i even posted a pic from his studio WITH KRK monitors. hahaha he was just trolling and you morons fall for it. give me a break you guys dont have a clue.

I've never once been angry with or discourteous to you, 'sup?

As I said, many an interview shows no decent monitors, I guess they could all be wind ups then......

sorry i forgot the "" im not having a go at anyone, just trying to get a point out here.

i wasnt trying to get at you, but more the common attitude in this thread, mostly everyone sayign that analog is better. ive had it with statements like that.

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Originally posted by Avatar One "It is one thing to own a woman, and it is another to have her within the bonds of an excellent mastery." Page 465 - Magicians of Gor

nice

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Originally posted by ken_lee sorry i forgot the "" im not having a go at anyone, just trying to get a point out here.

Cool, anger shortens the life and the cock they say

im not angry at all, i just try to save the OP from money and frustration. software will get the job done! analog hardware will also get the job done but its meant for religious fanatics with lots of money and time. the answer maybe is somewhere in the middle (a computer with a daw and some VA-synth).

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Originally posted by ken_lee im not angry at all, i just try to save the OP from money and frustration. software will get the job done! analog hardware will also get the job done but its meant for religious fanatics with lots of money and time. the answer maybe is somewhere in the middle (a computer with a daw and some VA-synth).

Hey man I appreciate it but don't worry about me I have absolutely no money to begin with so I can't waste it. :P

what im trying to say is that you can make good music without money at all, if you have a ok computer. download Reaper (www.reaper.fm) and some free VST synths (Synth1 is awesome) and some samples/loops etc and your set to atleast find out whether this is something you want to spend money on later.

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Originally posted by meriter Hey man I appreciate it but don't worry about me I have absolutely no money to begin with so I can't waste it. :P

The USA seems like a harsh place to be moneywise, from this side of the pond. In the UK we have a much more generous welfare state which I see some Americans disliking, refering to it as European Socialism, but what the critics forget is places like Germany export more than the US, despite the social model! I'm not a socialist, but I think the American way can be overly harsh.

Also I don't know if this is true but we are told that Americans work work work and take few holidays, but to me this is a sensless life - whats the point of it all, when life in the end is a series of memories and although I work hard, home life is very important.

Hows about that for some off - topic turd!

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Originally posted by Eric J Yeah, don't believe everything you read or hear or "have been told".

One of my best mates brother moved to NY about 20 years ago and he is a workaholic and said thats why he loves the place.

On TV here we generaly get this message that Americans live to work, but don't worry, I realise stereotypes can be wide of the mark.

I know another Brit who runs a cafe in Florida and he says it's impossible to find good workers, so wtf, who knows


I'm really into this whoe debate about China v's America. I've seen a number of debates on UK TV about this.
My own view is you will sh1t all over China for one simple reason; innate creativity.
I could be stereotyping here (again ), but Chinese people to me seem to mlearn stuff parrot fashion almost like robots, but this seems to be at odds with the needs of a modern flourashing economy that thrives on inventiveness and individualism.

All the big online platforms were born in America.

You only have to compare Chineese and Indian movies to American ones to see a startling difference when it comes to inventivness.

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