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Originally posted by shane_w1 For the questions though: Im studying Electrical Engineering at BSc level and don't have many problems at the moment in the field...where I mean 4 different wavelengths, im talking Square waves, Sine waves and Saw waves into 1 channeled complete sound...you can literally create bigger sounds on Sylenth than with Rob Papen Predator and if you think you can create 1 sound on Rob Papen Predator aswell as on Sylenth then that's obsurd, create a Preset on Sylenth, piece of p*ss...create a Preset on Korg M1 and you'll be there for hours...or maybe not with your "Acid lead" A cut-off frequency is where the sole power of the sound or it's source (energy) can be reduced eg by filtering but of course I googled that right?I don't experiment or see for myself...it's a fairly basic terminology but I understand, I might be "new" to this site so I can understand the scrutiny and patronizing comment for every detail. The arpegiating layout, by that I mean Sylenth has the option on the Interface for 7 steps where as Rob Papen Predator has 16 which can be altered but also there is no "Swing" mode on Sylenth which means Papen Predator is more geared for Swing orientated Genres like House justifying my opinions wholly.

you talk like a noob so I don't know what to say. Engineering ? Really ? A square wave is not a wavelength. How you could mix that up is beyond me and grade 11 physics. Arpegiattors won't make much difference as you can replicate all that in your DAW. Gladiator sounding retro ? Are you mad.

And the cutoff frequency is when the roll off is 3 dB. Again a very simple concept that you should know by your first semester in Engineering.

I don't believe for a second that you have even taken any courses related to the actual core of your degree but most likely taking the prerequisites that most smart kids are exempted from. And this is coming from a guy that studied music.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad you talk like a noob so I don't know what to say. Engineering ? Really ? A square wave is not a wavelength. How you could mix that up is beyond me and grade 11 physics. Arpegiattors won't make much difference as you can replicate all that in your DAW. Gladiator sounding retro ? Are you mad. And the cutoff frequency is when the roll off is 3 dB. Again a very simple concept that you should know by your first semester in Engineering. I don't believe for a second that you have even taken any courses related to the actual core of your degree but most likely taking the prerequisites that most smart kids are exempted from. And this is coming from a guy that studied music.

That's the passband value (3/-3db)...im giving basic terminology but yes that's the true value given Maxwell's equation followed by umpteen others but how do you explain that to someone who doesn't know?A basic overall description which I gave is perfectly reasonable and is actually defined in most books where they then delve deeper..I can go as deep as it needs to be.

We have already studied Basic Modulation systems even when I was in College doing Electronics and Electrical Engineering, we studied Square Waves digitally and studied various Analogue systems too...how can we question that a Square Wave is NOT a Wavelength?It's in the name!!

The Arpegiating setting is clearly just a point im proving to show how different VST's can be...im NOT saying we cannot change it, im actually pointing it out and saying what the differences are.

I studied at Ystrad Mynach College for my BTEC Nat. Diploma in Electronics and Electrical Engineering (achieved Distinction, Merit, Merit) before studying at Glamorgan University for which is now my BSc, you can even Facebook my name: Shane Williams, go into my Education and even see the years I was there whilst also seeing comments on my Wall with my friends asking how my presentation went in Uni on Monday.

Crazy guys, absolutely crazy...im a member of Serious-Sounds, SHM and L-Luke forums and I have a good reputation on them and an excellent reputation on Serious-Sounds for tutorials on how to make certain sounds yet i've never met 2 Members quick to judge or criticize.

The music is what matters.'

I have a couple sample libraries and a couple preset banks.
But I see them as tools and idea generators.

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Originally posted by shane_w1 That's the passband value (3/-3db)...im giving basic terminology but yes that's the true value given Maxwell's equation followed by umpteen others but how do you explain that to someone who doesn't know?A basic overall description which I gave is perfectly reasonable and is actually defined in most books where they then delve deeper..I can go as deep as it needs to be. .

I managed to explain it in 8 or so words. I criticize you because you conflate way too much and not that I ever asserted you were a noob, but rather , you sound like a fish. For someone to misuse such basic terminology that is rampant in Engineering indicates to me you have no idea what you are talking about. In one post , you managed to use wave length and cutoff frequency improperly. Maybe i'm wrong but you aren't making it easy to believe you. And I could care less about your reputation on a fan site for a rather shitty producer. I have an alt on newmothers.com where I pretend to be a mom. My cred is rather high.

And even in your last post, you still don't understand the concept of wavelength and a type of wave. A wavelength is the length of a period. Jesus. It has absolutely nothing to do with the kind of wave. I would suggest another field other than engineering. At first I thought it was a language thing but you live in Britain. Shit

Lol Okay Cosmic Gate...il leave you to it.

I just checked the Reference for Trance Addict on a few forums and the feedback is shocking, you cannot fathom a reasonable attack on the terminologies, im sat on my computer chair browsing a forum trying to engage in conversation with Producers who are learning the trade ffs. How could you explain it in 8 words?The average joe wouldn't understand that, I put it to them in a way where they could visualize it and go "ah I see, like Deadmau5 does with his leads" but instead you managed to branch a few words aswell and some people will go "wtf", either way it's both right but the way you explained it is not helpful for other Producers.

You guys jump a gun at me not being a Professor in my field?How am I wrong?Im absolutely correct and only quoted what i've learnt but you guys have probably Wikipedia'd it and decided I haven't gone far enough with my explanations?I work 3 days a week for GE in Caerphilly as an Engineer and am trying to juggle my commitments aswell...I have even checked the 'Haters' on this sites material and it's awful, compression lacks any punch, hardly any low-end punch on the basslines and simple Acid leads??I want to help you guys, listen to your stuff, engage in the Community and learn myself...I can tell im not going to get that from here.


Just to show...a square wave IS a wavelength, a saw wave is a wavelength, they have characteristics that include: wavelength, frequency and speed. If it doesn't have a wavelength then it's not a waveform...it cannot complete the transitions.

Honestly...crazy, a select few of you are not the help of cause for the Music Community at all, your quick to despise and scrutinize everything without actually going "Yeah I suppose your right, it does to that and yes that's right, it is" when it ACTUALLY IS RIGHT...it's not my own theory, it's in my Books I read, it's an everyday thing I know, like Ohms Law for Grade 11 Physics, Pi in Grade 11 Maths to Polynomial equations and Cubic equations to which I study now...I don't need to explain anymore, im bored of this stuff.

If any of you want really helpful info. and tutorials then head over to Serious-Sounds...we are a welcoming and friendly community and have Artists signed to some of the biggest labels.

A square wave HAS a wavelength, it isn't a wave length. Hilarious. Compression has punch? What fucking planet are you from. And the only hater here is me and I have nothing public except for EDM I did before 2004. I appreciate your whole messianic outlook but I think you are the one that needs some schooling.

But don't go. Dealing with knob heads like yourself is rather entertaining and helps deal with the general morass of daily life.

A Waveform such as Square, Sine (Sinusoiidal) Saw all have a Wavelength and cannot function without them so why would they not be?!(Square Wavelength Modulation was in one of my units for an Assignment ffs?!)This is crazy stuff...."a compression has punch" is not making sense?Oh dear..compression lacks punch doesn't make sense?!Ever thought the release or attack units on the Compressor might be at full whack therefore it compensates on the punch?Referring to a Bassline or White-Noise why would that completely sound like a joke?!It's mental.

F*cking crazy mate. I think im aloud to just go Pfffft, haters are a joke!

You said square wave is a Wave length. That is incorrect. It has a wavelength. Why are you having such a fucking hard time understanding this. If a square wave is a wavelength, and I assume you think a saw wave is also a Wavelength, then a saw wave is a square wave. Do you see why you sort of sound like an idiot?

This is too funny

You can study the IEEE Electrical Handbook and it will explain all the Waveforms in/as Wavelengths...it's not even funny anymore...just read a book.

As for me...forget Trance Addict, i've talked to 3-4 Producers who have had material signed to Armada and Blackhole Recordings and they agree, Trance Addict can be useful and every now and then someone can be helpful but they generally agree on the same principles as me.

I think you are the one that needs to do a little studying. Let me break this down for you. Wavelength has two words wave and length meaning the length of a wave ie a distance. It says absolutely nothing about the actual shape which is better described as a mathematical function. A wavelength is not a function.

go to page 40 of the Rossing book.

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Originally posted by shane_w1 As for me...forget Trance Addict, i've talked to 3-4 Producers who have had material signed to Armada and Blackhole Recordings and they agree, Trance Addict can be useful and every now and then someone can be helpful but they generally agree on the same principles as me.

You have an interesting way of explaining yourself but the only reason you're leaving is because you sabotaged your own credibility by presuming to be the smartest person in the room without actually being the smartest person in the room.

I was just trying to explain my point...if people are trying to scrutinize or patronize anything I say then how can we work together?Im not claiming to be effective or smarter in any way shape or form and I don't need any credibility just im a f*cking hard-worker man and I fight my way to help anything/anyone and want to better myself in anything I do.

If I can't explain myself by offering advice or justifying my reasons through things like the IEEE workbook or equations without a backlash then there's no point.

On serious-sounds forum, the views are shared and sometimes explained further in depth by other people who want to get involved, I do the same thing on here and it's SLAMMED but yet none of you can offer an alternative...just "Oh it's easy, just do it this way" when it doesn't help any newbies or people who do not understand what they're in for, least im trying to help peolpe and by that passing on knowledge that i've picked up from other people...im not born with the knowledge and don't try to pretend, I just love exchanging ideas and learning from people but I doubt im gonna' get that from here, my concepts are not the greatest and neither are my sounds but im always striving for further...I think people who are jaded or are "Haters" in the Music Community remain stagnant and therefore cannot grow as they choose to create boundaries and anything that attacks that boundary gets shot-down before they begin, they cannot learn.

please post an equation where wave length = (function of wave)

Here , please isolate lambda and make it equal to the equation it is already an essential element of the function. u can use the equation of a generic sinusoidal.



good luck you dumb sack of shit.

lol - what a pissing contest this has turned in to!

I tend to start with a preset - reverse engineer it; then customise it into exactly the sound I want.

You will learn a lot from this technique regardless of sound engineering knowledge!

That's how I learned.

And also by experimenting from the ground up.

Trying to recreate sounds from records you like is great too. You may not get spot on, but you can learn something.

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Originally posted by shane_w1 I was just trying to explain my point...if people are trying to scrutinize or patronize anything I say then how can we work together?Im not claiming to be effective or smarter in any way shape or form and I don't need any credibility just im a f*cking hard-worker man and I fight my way to help anything/anyone and want to better myself in anything I do. If I can't explain myself by offering advice or justifying my reasons through things like the IEEE workbook or equations without a backlash then there's no point. On serious-sounds forum, the views are shared and sometimes explained further in depth by other people who want to get involved, I do the same thing on here and it's SLAMMED but yet none of you can offer an alternative...just "Oh it's easy, just do it this way" when it doesn't help any newbies or people who do not understand what they're in for, least im trying to help peolpe and by that passing on knowledge that i've picked up from other people...im not born with the knowledge and don't try to pretend, I just love exchanging ideas and learning from people but I doubt im gonna' get that from here, my concepts are not the greatest and neither are my sounds but im always striving for further...I think people who are jaded or are "Haters" in the Music Community remain stagnant and therefore cannot grow as they choose to create boundaries and anything that attacks that boundary gets shot-down before they begin, they cannot learn.

We're only taking issue with the authoritative tone you're presenting with in conjunction with some rather inaccurate information. Unless you plan on ducking out as a "victim" for our nefarious pedantry, I'd suggest cultivating the credibility you seem to have dispensed with. No one except for you knows what are hard-working man you really are and, quite honestly, nobody cares.

Furthermore, you have yet to sell anyone on the seriousness of Serious Sounds. It looks more like a cerebral play-scape for people who want validation for whatever egocentric dysentery spews from the vodka-soaked essence of their pickled intellects; lots of fireworks but no real substance. A little self-awareness from you would go a long way to undoing that.

Instead, you're jacked up in this thread, claiming to be "SLAMMED" for not being accountable. When you present yourself as an expert, making authoritative declarations on every SW synthesizer on the market and then get caught out on a fundamental detail, acting like a whiny baby who's been criticized unfairly isn't exactly extolling any of your more worthwhile virtues. I'd suggest you try harder, but I'm only counting on you trying harder to defend your untenable position as though it could somehow be made unassailable.

Right so visualize a X and Y axis

X axis is the (Wavelength) Lambda

Y axis is the Distance

Waves have mathematical properties such as Time and Frequency that can be analyzed to understand the wave be it a Mechanical eg Longitudinal wave which are waves that have the same direction of where the vibrations are going (imagine a ripple effect in the Ocean)

***Sound waves*** (Could be a fucking Sine wave for all who give a sh*t) are where the particles are pushed along in the direction of travel are a perfect example of a longitudinal wave.

Without the actual Wavelength formula, a Sine wave would not exist to accompany the theory of a Longutidinal wave as it would not be able to transfer the signals across the axis to work out the measurements of the Wave. Sine wave is the example used as it's the most common and basic Wave form in Science/Maths.

The fundamental principles and catalyst for a Wave Form to examined are based on those current properties (Frequency, Time, Distance etc.)

Therefore the Wavelength determins what the actual wave-form will be.

I mean, this is just basic principles ffs...it's nothing even spectacular and completely found everywhere...if you want me to go into the de Broglie theory then it's wavelengths (wave number) will determine the sum of the wave be it Sine, Cosine etc. whatever

Equation for wave form lies heavily upon the characteristics of the wavelength, it's just there as a basic principle.

I don't know how possibly your looking at it but that's what i've got as my material for my old assignments, a wavelength is the catalyst for the waveform in it's basic term otherwise it cannot determine what the wave form will be.

it is part of the equation, not the equation. You will never find anyone with a degree in physics or math that will tell you a sine wave is its wave length. That is just asinine. PLease express a simple sine wave in terms of wavelength or period if they are the same. They aren't.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker We're only taking issue with the authoritative tone you're presenting with in conjunction with some rather inaccurate information. Unless you plan on ducking out as a "victim" for our nefarious pedantry, I'd suggest cultivating the credibility you seem to have dispensed with. No one except for you knows what are hard-working man you really are and, quite honestly, nobody cares. Furthermore, you have yet to sell anyone on the seriousness of Serious Sounds. It looks more like a cerebral play-scape for people who want validation for whatever egocentric dysentery spews from the vodka-soaked essence of their pickled intellects; lots of fireworks but no real substance. A little self-awareness from you would go a long way to undoing that. Instead, you're jacked up in this thread, claiming to be "SLAMMED" for not being accountable. When you present yourself as an expert, making authoritative declarations on every SW synthesizer on the market and then get caught out on a fundamental detail, acting like a whiny baby who's been criticized unfairly isn't exactly extolling any of your more worthwhile virtues. I'd suggest you try harder, but I'm only counting on you trying harder to defend your untenable position as though it could somehow be made unassailable.

I've spoke to about 5 Producers tonight who have all agreed on what i've said and just said "leave TA forum alone, we do it alone now"...I can see there opinions and im just following suit...the concepts are crazy from this site...Serious Sounds has incredible recognition, Engineers and Artists signed/worked with WB and other Major Labels such as EMI...Artists signed to Flashover Recordings, Blackhole and Armada...plays from top DJ's like Carl Cox, Sasha, Digweed, Cattaneo, Ferry Corsten, Patterson etc. it's an incredible website...this seems very territorial and weak in it's essence of what it stands for.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad it is part of the equation, not the equation. You will never find anyone with a degree in physics or math that will tell you a sine wave is its wave length. That is just asinine. PLease express a simple sine wave in terms of wavelength or period if they are the same. They aren't.

It's the whole property to determine what the outcome of the wave-form will be...without it there is no wave-form, it is the whole outcome...no other property can determine the outlay for it....what is that you don't understand?Even that is what I learn from my 1st lesson...actually, you never, ever will unless it comes from "DJ Hate and scrutinize everything I want to" or "DJ Acid-Jam"

Stupid transparency...

Here you go:

you are saying a waveform = its wavelength.

that is like saying the area of a shape equals its length. It is only part of the equation you dumb mother******.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles

i thought that was a special WoW dagger!

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Originally posted by shane_w1 I've spoke to about 5 Producers tonight who have all agreed on what i've said and just said "leave TA forum alone, we do it alone now"...I can see there opinions and im just following suit...the concepts are crazy from this site...Serious Sounds has incredible recognition, Engineers and Artists signed/worked with WB and other Major Labels such as EMI...Artists signed to Flashover Recordings, Blackhole and Armada...plays from top DJ's like Carl Cox, Sasha, Digweed, Cattaneo, Ferry Corsten, Patterson etc. it's an incredible website...this seems very territorial and weak in it's essence of what it stands for.

Seems like you have an easy narrative to stick with, Sparky, along with a Heaven on Earth to stay. It's a place where none of the world-renown outliers are challenged and even the serfs walk as gentry who can put forth whatever crazy idear some random, cancerous fractal of neuron firings happened to cook up that day; unfettered by an insistence that it is better to do it right than to do it, at all. I'll bet they have chocolate-milk running from water-fountains and candy-cane trees and no one ever tells you what time it really is, let alone forces you to eat that side of spinach before you start on desert.

And what, precisely, do you think Trance Addict stands for?



I can already fathom why you think it doesn't.

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