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Originally posted by ken_lee you have a few options from here: learn to bounce or work more effective (less instruments), buy a new computer or get a new hobby. im shocked anyone work like this, its really fucking retarded. its like painting in blind and watching the result afterwards. edit: seriously, get a grip!

I don't know why you're being such an ass about this. I also don't know why you're trying to tell me this as if you think I don't already know it's a fucked up way of producing. It's all I have available at the moment and for the most part, it works for me. And I actually enjoy writing music, so I'm willing to put up with it.

im not being an ass about it. im telling you like a boss telling his ineffective employee to change to the better, or like your best friend throws a bucket of water in your face and slaps you when youre too drunk or high, or when your parents yelling at you for not doing your homework. just bounce the tracks man, this is ridiculous. if i where an ass i would shut my mouth and let you continue with your bad habit. i do it out of love lol.

Yup if i was you i would never listen to my tracks Critically in anything apart from a Wave Editor.

All MP3 play back tools will colour the sound in some fashion, thats what makes them sound *better* than their competition right?

Mark

After I bounce down a track I bring the WAV into a new/blank session of Live and give it a listen.

Hang on, this thread reminds me of some classic Robby Rox "problems", most of which were found to be user error.

You really should not have to go through this sort of thing. Christ, I've got an old AMD single core with 512mb of ram I can still produce on. My imac only has 1gig RAM and I have no problems.

Couple of questions for you:

What soundcard do you have?
What DAW are you using?
What OS are you?
How do you use FX (inserts or sends etc)?
What Synths/Plugs do you use most?

I honestly think there is something else going wrong in your setup, that would disappear if you figure out what the bottleneck is. Honestly, I've been through this more times than I can count, and bar one of those occasions, there was either a glaring mistake, user error or obvious conflict that was causing the problems.

Let me know and I'll try to help.

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Originally posted by Nick Cenik After I bounce down a track I bring the WAV into a new/blank session of Live and give it a listen.

Yeah, the latency is still an issue when I do that though.

I think referencing in a program that doesn't color the sound is paying off. Things are sounding rather nice already:

http://tindeck.com/listen/hwcc

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Originally posted by DJ RANN What soundcard do you have? -- Soundmax digital audio. Came with the dell. What DAW are you using? -- FL Studio 8. What OS are you? -- XP How do you use FX (inserts or sends etc)? -- Linking channels to inserts in FL's mixer, I don't use sends much. Maybe that's causing latency? I dunno. What Synths/Plugs do you use most? -- Atmosphere and Omnisphere for pads, Sylenth for leads/bass and Nexus, z3ta+ and Predator for other random stuff

Now that I think about it I rarely use the sends in FL's mixer, if I have something simple that I'll apply to multiple channels, like delay, I'll just use an insert instead. I really hope that's not causing it..

Appreciate the offer to help, thanks. Dunno what you can surmise based off of this info though, unless it's the insert/send thing.

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Originally posted by Kysora Yeah, the latency is still an issue when I do that though. I think referencing in a program that doesn't color the sound is paying off. Things are sounding rather nice already: http://tindeck.com/listen/hwcc

honestly i always thought your productions were really muddy, but good ideas and i can honestly say now that you got that hunch figured out that this is the smoothest mix ive heard from you thus far.

not my style of music anymore really, but its nice to see a TA member creating things like this.

btw God told me you're an ****ing idiot.

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Originally posted by Nightshift honestly i always thought your productions were really muddy, but good ideas and i can honestly say now that you got that hunch figured out that this is the smoothest mix ive heard from you thus far.

This is awesome to hear. Thanks a ton!

My pc is an old single core P4, I frequently make it shit itself too. But I've also spent alot of time making sure that I can push it to its limit.

What OS are you running? Have you taken steps to optimize it for producing?

Oh, and as a player for listening back on, media player classicis awesome for both music and movies. Quick and simple.

What is your system specs?

I use a 2ghz athlon (no dual core or any of that shit) with 1gb ram.

Projects get difficult to play through towards the end but I can get 80% of the way there without any issues.

So either you have a REALLY shit pc. Or you are have something wrong with your settings or you produce in a very inefficient way.

In the first case, upgrade! You ain't gotta buy something new and expensive. A modest upgrade would benefit you hugely. Even an extra couple of gigs of ram which costs fuck all.

In the second case, post your exact system, soundcard, drivers and preference settings of your daw. Someone will know if something isn't right.

In the third case, speak to Robby Rox and look to setup your own production class together.

itunes doesn't colour the sound.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad itunes doesn't colour the sound.

Yeah, I think it is ridiculous that people think this.

Even worse when the actual problem is they have EQ settings applied and instead of considering that user error may be the problem, they assume that Itunes (the most widely used player in the world?) must be colouring the sound, therefore making it the shittiest player on the market and advise people not to use it.

i've heard of one version doing it but the problem was fixed very fast. Then again i'm 30 who knows how bad my hearing is.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad itunes doesn't colour the sound.

Oh come on! It colours the sound almost as much as ableton! You can just hear the digital...

This is why I use pro tools for all my listening.

..I admitted the EQ settings were on. I don't remember ever touching them but apparently at some point the bass frequencies were turned down. Either way, fucking stupid of me.

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Originally posted by Kysora Now that I think about it I rarely use the sends in FL's mixer, if I have something simple that I'll apply to multiple channels, like delay, I'll just use an insert instead. I really hope that's not causing it.. Appreciate the offer to help, thanks. Dunno what you can surmise based off of this info though, unless it's the insert/send thing.

Just trust me or at least humor me - The fact you don't use sends is already an indication that you overlook some pretty basic efficiency methods.

Using inserts for every instance of FX is quite uneccessary and inefficient use of your DAW, there's simply no need and you could see y big perofmance increase just be losing all the inserts. From the sound of your tracks, you also use a lot of FX which makes me think this is going to make a big difference.

So, again:
What OS do you use?
What soundcard?
How many instances of plugins/softsynths do you use typically?
What DAw are you working in?

I replied to all of that in the quote.

Really though that's about the only thing I do that I can think of that might be inefficient.. for multiple instances of programs like Omnisphere I use layers instead of more than one synth, I group things like volume automation together for multiple bass patches that I want to fade in at the same time.. I can't really think of anything that's massively inefficient that I do on all of my tracks.

just to continue the fun.

how many instanced of zeta do you use for your baselines? if ca 16 then this could be your problem. im not sure though, ask robby how he feels about it, he should have some experience in this area... lol.

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Originally posted by Kysora I replied to all of that in the quote. Really though that's about the only thing I do that I can think of that might be inefficient.. for multiple instances of programs like Omnisphere I use layers instead of more than one synth, I group things like volume automation together for multiple bass patches that I want to fade in at the same time.. I can't really think of anything that's massively inefficient that I do on all of my tracks.

grouping automation won't really save your computer cpu as it does it individually regardless. The sends are a big thing especially for reverb. If you have more than 2 reverbs , you better have a nice computer.

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Originally posted by ken_lee just to continue the fun. how many instanced of zeta do you use for your baselines? if ca 16 then this could be your problem. im not sure though, ask robby how he feels about it, he should have some experience in this area... lol.

hah, I'm not robbie, I usually have two instances of Sylenth open for the midbass and I use magical8bit for a pulse bass underneath them most of the time. Sometimes three basses, never anything more than that. And even then I usually only use two once the track gets out of the intro.

The automation comment was just an example, I figured it doesn't help that much. I'll try using sends more often, maybe that'll help.

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Originally posted by G-Con Yeah, I think it is ridiculous that people think this. Even worse when the actual problem is they have EQ settings applied and instead of considering that user error may be the problem, they assume that Itunes (the most widely used player in the world?) must be colouring the sound, therefore making it the shittiest player on the market and advise people not to use it.

Cus it has nothing to with the fact that iTunes installs itself automatically when you plug in a iFucktoy. And especially not because its a fucking hassle to uninstall. Fuck you. You know nothing.

itunes will die if it doesnt allow streaming soon. the only thing i now use mp3 for is oldschool trance and mixtapes. rest is on spotify.

2 things:

-Use the Asio output plugin for winamp
-buy more RAM (19$ for 2GB at newegg)

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Originally posted by XDR There's nothing wrong with the playback quality in iTunes. If you notice a clear difference between the two players then there has to be an equalizer or enhancer turned on in at least one of them. These features might be useful when you have crap speakers and only listen to music but as producers we need to hear the music exactly as it is. Not just your own music but that of others as well or you'll have no reference. In iTunes turn off the equalizer and also switch off Sound Enhancer and Sound Check. It will then playback the music as it is. Winamp has similar features so these should be turned off too if you want to properly judge the music.

I think there is something going on with iTunes. I did some tests with iTunes vs Quicktime and they sound different despite all audio enhancements switched off.

Not sure if it's fixed in the latest patch, but iTunes was definitely adding something to the sound.

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