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I understand your point. but its double standards.most dj's who dont produce earn more money then those who produce only ( excluding the medium to pro range ).


how about, if you want to dj, and destroy our tracks, you make your own to destroy instead


* not directed at you personally..

best midi controller Behringer DDM 4000 is a mixer too, you have vestax vci, bcd3000 hercules rmx... but are crafted like toys.

Or Pioneer DDJ-S1 MIDI controller which cost 1,300� but looks sweet, for this price i'd buy real decks though or some of the above, there is a problem with midi since has a lot of limitations in pitch controlling , and this is what eventually would make your tracks clash (wrong pitch setting) traktor has a 0.3% and a cdj has 0.02%, just look at the difference in accuracy terms to see what is better.

And relax man, it's common to get trolled here but you are behaving like an elitist pro when you're still far from it.

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Originally posted by Kid_presentable I understand your point. but its double standards.most dj's who dont produce earn more money then those who produce only ( excluding the medium to pro range ). how about, if you want to dj, and destroy our tracks, you make your own to destroy instead * not directed at you personally..

you made the choice knowing the market to learn production and to ignore learning the dj side. In absolutely every kind of music, live performance is the money maker.

this is a case of you being upset because you can't earn what djs do because you never bothered to learn the craft itself?

the funny thing is, having a production base should make it that much easier to pick it up. man you guys act like learning to mix properly is hard. It isn't, it is just practice...so if you can't make dj type money, it isn't because the pay scales are unfair, it is because you are lazy.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay you made the choice knowing the market to learn production and to ignore learning the dj side. In absolutely every kind of music, live performance is the money maker. this is a case of you being upset

NO,others were upset i was offered gigs purely on production.

well, they don't have a leg to stand on either.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos And relax man, it's common to get trolled here but you are behaving like an elitist pro when you're still far from it.

i believe you are one of them...and up until now have just wasted my time, I don't frequent forums,unless I need advice...you up untill now were simply trying to be funny.. and failing.



i said:

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then those who produce only ( excluding the medium to pro range )

that clearly shows I believe I'm an still an amateur.

is the nemark mixtrack pro any good?

It took me about 6 months to learn how to mix to the point where i didn't need to touch the record, could mix a track and have the lined up again using only the pitch shift in about 10 seconds and about another 6 months to learn how to scratch well. Djing has the lowest standards concerning the level you need to be at to make money. I found it incredibly easy but granted I was doing music since I was 2.

I actually started djing on dare and ended up enjoying it. I never tought it was anythign more than playing other people's music and used to laugh at all the hacks trying so hard to line their tracks up. Eventually I just got too old well for me anyways 23 or so and moved on to other things. The thing is that electronic music , for some strange reason tends to attract on average those that are less gifted in music. It s rather rare to find people that actually have a knack for music.

I remember doing harmonic mixing before people even talked about it. I remember organizing tracks around a key structure sort of like lets say sonata form. I remember using a certain motive of lets say the main bangin track and dropping it 4 times but never really playing it until the last track. I don't know where I learnt it but it just made sense to me.

In general , I don't respect djs in the way I would respect lets say a pianist or something that actually takes alot of time and practice. Not to mention most djs are retards with the social graces of a slug doing it to get laid.

It often amazes me how many fuckwits with huge egos are in this industry. Kid presentable askeda simple question. Jesus what is it lack of MDMA in you area or something?

DG'ing like most of you fucktards is easy. try doing something skillful for once in your life skateboarding surfing snopwboarding these are things to be proud of. Im a dj and get gigs, my username is a pisstake on how many tryhard gangsters there are in this industry.

Reminds me of how many people were ganging up on deadmo5se and now you love his work you bunch of kooks.

Thanks for sharing this informative thread with us.

if i were you id grab a cheap pair of tt's and like 10 records of similar style you produce, and learn the real way, that way itll be easy when you move to equipment that will do the work for you. start from scratch instead of jumping to the end. orrrrrrr just be ghey and download a torrent of traktor and bang it out!

thanks but i ended up getting the numark mixtrack, it seems fairly familiar to the cdj1000's I had a 2 minute go on in a club.

but that was 2 years ago

To be honest it�s not really too important what you get as long as you have something that emulates the concept. The beatmactching part is actually the easiest skill to learn, its reading the audience that is the acquired skill that may take time.
It also depends on the levels that you are looking to take it to. But if you are producing then I would assume that you have some degree of ambition and would like to make a good go of it, which is cool. Through this you will also have an advantage compared to someone with no musical background who tries DJing for the first time.

A lot of DJs who have made it through production actually suck really hard as DJs and the comments in the thread stating that people don�t care are actually very wrong. Don�t make the mistake of underestimating the clubbers, many of them are bedroom DJs and will be your most critical listeners. If you train wreck bad enough then the crowd will let you know in no uncertain terms. Play the wrong tune and you may clear the floor, if the promoters see this they may cut your set short and stick someone else on etc. It depends on how well organised the night is and what the expectations are. I am guessing that the people who asked you to DJ actually don�t know that you actually are not one or they are just plain stupid.

That said, there is a lot to be said for learning to DJ in the clubs also, the learning curve whilst steeper as DJing at clubs is harder in some respects but it will make you a better DJ in the long run.

Assuming that you don�t have any real DJ experience and I don�t mean this to insult, you are going to be absolutely terrible. My advice even though it goes against what I do, would be to record all the tracks that you are considering to play at the same BPM and then just practice getting your drops right otherwise you will be presented with too much to handle on the night and it will be a pretty bad experience for you and those listening. On this count Traktor may not be a bad option and would have been what I would have recommended had you not already got some gear. I used to be a die hard vinyl DJ but use Traktor these days for the most part unless I fancy mixing in which case I use CDJs when I play out.

Moving forward you should probably embrace both as being part of the bigger picture and try to get your DJ skills as good as possible because it is exactly as you say; the money is in the DJing not the producing. There are areas of cross over and the more you want to do with your DJing the more the production skills will come into play. It literally is what you want to make of it. That said, if you want to make money then you have to make a track that�s big followed by another. It�s a gradual process and everything is a learning experience, I also firmly believe that the more you DJ the more you will get a good idea of what you want to do with your tracks.

I know that this is technically not what you asked, but figured you may come across some of the things I have mentioned. It�s not meant to insult so please don�t take it that way, I appreciate that you naturally want to take the opportunity because to be frank you have been offered something that many on this forum wish they had, I would however, like to see you make the most of it and succeed in this.

I would also very much like to check out your tracks as I am curious as to what style you play/produce. Any info on this would be cool, send me a PM if you wish.

Cheers
Nem

just - commercial Electro house under Pete sweat. and ghost writing minimal and techno electro for two others.


www.petesweat.com should lead you to the right places....or google "pete sweat" for some newer tracks.


I know about the train wreck part...it gives me nightmares..

I'm beat matching pretty good at the moment, well for a guy on his first day ( in y opinion...I'm sure is different up top( well I know this I was invited into the booth at a medium event and placed a cd on one of the spinning plattters......lol) the dj was pretty quick to fix the sitch though so i guess i need to get to a level where i can fix problems when they happen.

For me only Espresso does it, i think it's because it sounds a bit prog.house i hate electro house, this track is a good track.

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