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Posted by Zack Roth on Feb-21-2011 21:41:

quote:
Originally posted by desolationAngel
I am definitely far from producing I lack general musical education and don't know how to play synth or keyboard. I know I have the ear for sure for it though. I played local parties for months in lounges and a pretty decent club in Brooklyn although it shut down now. None of these things help me excel in my preferred genre tho as the demographic here isn't interested in trance and that's a shame. I just want to play somewhere and be appreciated - money's not even an issue.


To be honest with you, its going to be very tough to only play trance in NYC when you are just getting started. I ran into this exact problem when I first started DJing. The first gigs I got were in small bars or lounges, or playing very early opening slots. And trance just doesn't really work that well in those kinds of settings. Your average club-goer just doesn't want to hear 138 BPM trance at 10pm or in a lounge. I got discouraged like you seem to be now, that I just didn't have an outlet to play what I wanted. That sort of led me to house music, specifically progressive house, which sort of fuses trance and house together.

I would suggest browsing Beatport for slower, less banging music, and see what, if anything, you like. Try looking in the progressive house sections, even tech house and techno maybe.

Again, I really hated the idea of playing house years ago, and now I have grown to love it. It will just take some time to acquire a taste for it. But once it does, you will see that its a much more versatile genre(especially in NYC) than trance.


Posted by Dj_MadirozE on Feb-22-2011 02:29:

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Originally posted by zizack

Again, I really hated the idea of playing house years ago, and now I have grown to love it. It will just take some time to acquire a taste for it. But once it does, you will see that its a much more versatile genre(especially in NYC) than trance.
even tho i dont really spin anymore,i started 12 yrs ago wit 150 bpm hardcore..lmao im down 2 126-128 tech house/melodic stuff..tech and prog work wonders as far as building a set and like u sed especially in nyc


Posted by BiG MiKE on Feb-22-2011 05:18:

quote:
Originally posted by zizack
To be honest with you, its going to be very tough to only play trance in NYC when you are just getting started. I ran into this exact problem when I first started DJing. The first gigs I got were in small bars or lounges, or playing very early opening slots. And trance just doesn't really work that well in those kinds of settings. Your average club-goer just doesn't want to hear 138 BPM trance at 10pm or in a lounge. I got discouraged like you seem to be now, that I just didn't have an outlet to play what I wanted. That sort of led me to house music, specifically progressive house, which sort of fuses trance and house together.

I would suggest browsing Beatport for slower, less banging music, and see what, if anything, you like. Try looking in the progressive house sections, even tech house and techno maybe.

Again, I really hated the idea of playing house years ago, and now I have grown to love it. It will just take some time to acquire a taste for it. But once it does, you will see that its a much more versatile genre(especially in NYC) than trance.


I agree with all of this. The only thing to watch out for is being completely gung ho on House music. If you want to be a Trance Producer and all you play is house, your fans might look at you confused

desolationAngel, try to find the perfect balance between House and Trance as your peak. But definitely, I'd say start off Housey to get into places.


Posted by desolationAngel on Feb-22-2011 08:48:

I've actually been playing house prog house electro house you know real crowdpleaser stuff I'm just honestly tired of it lol aren't there any substantial trance followings in manhattan?


Posted by Ali Mahmud on Feb-22-2011 15:20:

It's been mentioned already, but going out and meeting people and networking is the most important thing you have to do. Also be humble don't be arrogant, being ambitious is good, but be realestic, and have a game plan.

But networking is not all, first you have to be good. Your demo has to show why a promoter should give you a chance. My first demo I made, I worked on it for 3 months straight. By the end I had over 100 different demos, but one really amazing one. I instantly got an opening spot for Jon O'bir, and that hard work, and practice really does help, and continues to help.

Also don't except to go to the big promoters and get a gig, but there are plenty of smaller promoters doing local trance events, go out to those and get to know people. Then you can build up a good following if your good.

And in the way the industry is today, you have to be diverse, don't stick to just trance, but don't lose your core love. You can still play trance, but be open minded, and get into to house, techno, minimal, etc, and learn how to mix it all together. You will be suprised you will find tracks from those genres that fit your style. This can take you a long way to being a much better dj.

If you dont' get a gig right away don't get discourage, just keep looking forward.


Posted by Zack Roth on Feb-22-2011 15:49:

quote:
Originally posted by desolationAngel
I've actually been playing house prog house electro house you know real crowdpleaser stuff I'm just honestly tired of it lol aren't there any substantial trance followings in manhattan?


Nothing like having all the work done for you...

These are all locally-run trance-themed parties that have gone down in NYC this year so far. What you want to do with this info is up to you. But this is more than enough to get you started. I wouldn't just blindly hit these people up about playing. Think of a pitch, a hook so to speak, that you think would make you a dj worth actually booking.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=593051

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=591308

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=591793

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=590231

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=588796


Posted by hellosam on Feb-22-2011 16:35:

quote:
Originally posted by zizack
ehhhh, the "next level" is completely relative though. If you are a bedroom dj just getting started, the next level is maybe playing at a small get-together with friends. Then maybe the next level is playing on a small local party somewhere. None of those jumps requires producing a great track.


true!

i know a lot of peolpe who have produced and remixed ect ect many many may top selling tunes and still are where they were 5 years ago. If the "next level" is more gigs ok...but just bcause you have a million gigs doesnt mean youre going anywhere. I have DJs who open got Tiesto one day and until the next Tij set are forced to "donate" their time....

you must network and bring heads...best advice on here.


Posted by hellosam on Feb-22-2011 16:38:

quote:
Originally posted by BiG MiKE
I agree with all of this. The only thing to watch out for is being completely gung ho on House music. If you want to be a Trance Producer and all you play is house, your fans might look at you confused

desolationAngel, try to find the perfect balance between House and Trance as your peak. But definitely, I'd say start off Housey to get into places.


and as we ALL know (if you love trance) you can very easily throw trance in the mix with house sets.....feel the crowd

How many times has a "house set" turned into almost 100% trance bc it was pushed in to get a clue if it was acceptable and turned out no one cared either way?


Most people who go out for house music wll stay for proggy trance...or even full fledged trance..


does NOT work the otherway around, sadly...


Posted by desolationAngel on Mar-03-2011 06:15:

Hey guys can you point me in the direction of some trance spots in the city? Maybe some parties on thursday? I checked the local area info and didnt really find anything - Im gonna hit up Stay on E Houston next monday but got nothing else going on. I really wanna start putting my stuff out there and meeting promoters. Any help appreciated. Thanks guys!


Posted by Bobby Fist Pump on Mar-03-2011 12:54:

quote:
Originally posted by desolationAngel
Hey guys can you point me in the direction of some trance spots in the city? Maybe some parties on thursday? I checked the local area info and didnt really find anything - Im gonna hit up Stay on E Houston next monday but got nothing else going on. I really wanna start putting my stuff out there and meeting promoters. Any help appreciated. Thanks guys!



Marcel Dettmann at the Bunker this Fri. Nice melodic trance bro!


Posted by ZeeRobot1 on Mar-03-2011 17:53:

dont listen to any of them just have plenty of glory holes at your events and your set.


Posted by desolationAngel on Mar-03-2011 19:55:

lol ^ thats funny - where is the Bunker located? Any spots have consistent trance nights instead of just the occasional promotion company coming in and taking over a random venue for one night?


Posted by euphoria on Mar-03-2011 20:20:

Not really


Posted by a.l.d.i. on Mar-03-2011 20:21:

haha he is a techno dj. or i think. def not trance : )


what everyone is lacking to tell you is that if you want a fast track to stardom, you must sleep with me. Being that you are a girl of course!
if your a dude.. well good luck!


Posted by desolationAngel on Mar-03-2011 20:26:

sounds like you get enough pussy as it is with those advances. Not stardom - just exposure. As I said Ill play for free I dont mind - in the backroom of some C-list venue just as long as I can make out of BK and into Manhattan.


Posted by a.l.d.i. on Mar-03-2011 20:34:

Haha just bored at work. Don't take me seriously. if you want serious advice read all the previous advices. these guys know what they are talking about. and no one can help you virtually really. you must come out and be seen. at least post a mix online. im sure if you bring skill won't be long before people will ask for you to come to play along side!


Posted by desolationAngel on Mar-03-2011 21:02:

Yup I have a YearMix that took me about 2 months to make - I really want ppl to check it out. 50 of my fav songs of 2010 in 80 min. Here is a link and tracklist.

[[ LINK REMOVED ]]


1. First State - My Sanctuary
2. Beat Service & Tucandeo feat Manon Polaire - Waiting for the Sun (Lentos Remix)
3. Yuri Kane - Around You
4. Delerium - Send Me An Angel (Andy Moor Remix)
5. Leon Bolier - Avalanche
6. Velvetine - Safe (Wherever You Are) (Ian Flux & Thomas Blofeld Remix)
7. DJ Eco feat. Lira Yin - Love (Dub Mix)
8. Arnej - For The People
9. Michael Woods - Dynamik
10. Avis Vox - Introspection Attempts (Moonbeam Remix)
11. Hans Zimmer - Time (Orkidea Dream Mix)
12. Mat Zo - Land Of The Free
13. Mason - You Are Not Alone
14. Mike Foyle pres. Statica - Headrush
15. Faithless - Feelin Good (Ferry Corsten Remix)
16. Will Reckless - Heaven Scent (TyDi�s Vicious Re-Write)
17. Jochen Miller - Humanoid
18. Arty - Hope (Club Mix)
19. Origene - Sanctuary (Arnej Remix)
20. Sied Van Riel & Radion 6 - Radiator
21. Audien - Mind Over Matter
22. Orjan Nilsen - Lovers Lane (The Blizzard Remix)
23. TyDi - Good Dream (Barnes & Heatcliff Remix)
24. Alpha 9 - Come Home
25. Filo & Peri feat. Audrey Gallagher - This Night (Alex M.O.R.P.H. Remix)
26. Breakfast - Slow Motion
27. Faithless - I'm Not Going Home (Armin Van Buuren Remix)
28. Cosmic Gate - Back To Earth (Arty Remix)
29. Faithless - Tweak Your Nipple (Tiesto Remix)
30. Virtual Vault feat. Ice MC - Think About The Way
31. Bart Claessen - Hartseer
32. Armin Van Buuren feat. Sophie - Virtual Friend
33. Mory Kante - Yeke Yeke (Mark Eteson Remake)
34. Nenes & Pascal Feliz - Platinum (Ben Gold Remix)
35. Markus Schulz feat. Khaz - Dark Heart Waiting (Club Mix)
36. Tritonal feat. Christina Soto - Forgive Me, Forget You (Ashley Wallbridge Remix)
37. Daniel Wanrooy - Endless Moments (George Acosta Remix)
38. Hybrid - Disappear Here (Andy Moor Ecomix)
39. Ummet Ozcan - Arcadia
40. Gaia - Aisha (Ashley Wallbridge Remix)
41. Venaccio - Our Anthem
42. Markus Schulz - Rain (Phynn Remix)
43. Richard Durand feat. Jes - N.Y.C.
44. Myon & Shane 54 - International Departures (Classic Anthem Mix)
45. Interstate vs. Tyler Michaud feat. Jessy Green - Junkie (Heatbeat Remix)
46. Cosmic Gate - The Drums (Markus Schulz Remix)
47. Max Graham feat. Neev Kennedy - Sun In The Winter (Alex M.O.R.P.H. Remix)
48. Super8 & Tab feat. Jan Burton - Mercy
49. Tiesto - Suburban Train (Sean Tyas Dirty Mix)
50. Armin Van Buuren - Orbion


But a yearmix isnt a good promo mix. Im working on a new demo now. And yea i def gotta get out there and be seen. Whats a good approach to talk to promoters anyway? I wanna go to Stay on Monday for trance night and idk how to approach the promoter...


Posted by hellosam on Mar-04-2011 15:16:

^^ if your interested on internet stuffs there are a kazillion internet radio stations. you can send them demos and ask for a mothly show but make sure you can commit and bring them quality. And then be certain to promote yourself well. its another good way to get exposure. wont get you a TON- i mean, realisticly, radio shows are a dime a dozen...actually no. radio shows are comepltey free and number in the upper tripple digets on a weekly basis- but do it anyway


Posted by a.l.d.i. on Mar-04-2011 15:18:

so i took a listening to your mix and i give it a:

these are my opinions , i dont mean to be mean just strait with you.

first impression: excited about the tracks but how are you going to fit 50 track in 80 mins.

starting to listening to it

--track selection: 8/10 very cool selections

--vibe of first half of your mix : 5/10 , just like i thought as the first impression. you had too much happening too fast. good mixing, i wasn't bored but i wasn't feeling the vibe either.

- 10/10 for dropping Ice Mc's thing about the way. haha that got me excited

- vibe of the other half of your mix: 8/10, an contrary to what i said above you pulled this off very well. even though for a trance mix you were cutting off too fast you really had a great energy coming out of this second half

-overall : great mixing skills. but for my opinion trance mix should not have a 30 sec cut. its a kind of music that people need to connect to it.

i give you and overall grade of 7/10. and that's because the second half saved you.


Posted by desolationAngel on Mar-04-2011 18:34:

quote:
Originally posted by dj aldi
so i took a listening to your mix and i give it a:

these are my opinions , i dont mean to be mean just strait with you.

first impression: excited about the tracks but how are you going to fit 50 track in 80 mins.

starting to listening to it

--track selection: 8/10 very cool selections

--vibe of first half of your mix : 5/10 , just like i thought as the first impression. you had too much happening too fast. good mixing, i wasn't bored but i wasn't feeling the vibe either.

- 10/10 for dropping Ice Mc's thing about the way. haha that got me excited

- vibe of the other half of your mix: 8/10, an contrary to what i said above you pulled this off very well. even though for a trance mix you were cutting off too fast you really had a great energy coming out of this second half

-overall : great mixing skills. but for my opinion trance mix should not have a 30 sec cut. its a kind of music that people need to connect to it.

i give you and overall grade of 7/10. and that's because the second half saved you.


I tried to style this after Armin's Year Mixes and the way he does them. He does 80 songs in 120 min so my 50 in 80 min is a bit more loose. Either way, thanks for the input. And hellosam, where do i find these internet radio shows? u mean AH.fm or something much more third-party and underground? Would appreciate the help - I def wanna look into this.


Posted by hellosam on Mar-04-2011 18:59:

quote:
Originally posted by desolationAngel
I tried to style this after Armin's Year Mixes and the way he does them. He does 80 songs in 120 min so my 50 in 80 min is a bit more loose. Either way, thanks for the input. And hellosam, where do i find these internet radio shows? u mean AH.fm or something much more third-party and underground? Would appreciate the help - I def wanna look into this.


you gan goodl "trance" "EDM" "dance music" ect

here are some to get you started:

sense.fm
puresound.fm
trance.fm
pure.fm
etn.fm (will be a little harder to get onto)
ah.fm (a little harder to get onto)
trancesonic.fm

never forget: soundcloud and crystalclouds.com



Rob is a great guy from australia Fresh927.au live radio terrestrial and internet....great to get your name out there


there are a ton....just look i promise youll find.

And dont discriminate. as long as they have a single listener....then someone is hearing your tunes


Posted by euphoria on Mar-04-2011 19:19:

quote:
Originally posted by hellosam
sense.fm
puresound.fm
trance.fm
pure.fm
etn.fm (will be a little harder to get onto)
ah.fm (a little harder to get onto)
trancesonic.fm

never forget: soundcloud and crystalclouds.com


u forgot party107


Posted by hellosam on Mar-04-2011 19:22:

quote:
Originally posted by euphoria
u forgot party107


eeeek YEAH!

party107

I forgot a lot i think...my mind is all over the place with radio shows atm....but now my OCD has set in so ill go look for my list HAHAHAH


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