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Originally posted by Fledz Heh, it's amusing how excited people get about paying twice as much for something that could have been out a year or more ago. Apple really have created a mindless cult.

Those old Nalehem Quad cores were nothing special, the newer Arrendale which are 32 nm run cooler and more energy efficient than the old 45nm i7 Quad cores. The difference between the 32nm Dual Core Arrendales and the i7 45 nm Nalehem wasn't that big when all 4 cores were used.

These new Quad cores are completely different. In some benchmarks they score higher than a 2.4 ghz 8-core Mac Pro and i7-975 desktop CPU's.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Christ, how did a thread about the new macbooks turn in to a mac vs PC debate? The same old bloody defenses and and attacks get put up, and no one is right. PC's are great for those of you that want to spend time building your own system and having tons of upgrade options, but the OS sucks in the grand scheme of things, as it has to be compatible with so many configurations of hardware. Mac's are great for stability and the OS is fucking incredible, but there's little that can be upgraded and you pay a premium for the design. The thing that keeps getting forgotten is that macs are about a complete solution, bought as sold - the OS and software made to work on it is as big a part of the overall package as the hardware used to run it. PC's are about options, and the sacrifice is stability and design, both in terms of hardware and overall use. We make music on computers, and I used to do pro audio and broadcast tech support so I'm done spending time fixing issues on DAW's. I want to pressw the powerbutton, open a sequencer and make music and not have it crash, ever. My 2008 imac has met this requirement with flying colours. I don't want to have to build my fucking car to get to work, and constantly maintain it just for it to get me from A to B. That's why I will never use a PC again for making music. I only use PC's as my business machines as there are weird programs and tasks that simply don't exist on the mac platform. It's whatever works for you....but having said that, tehre's a reason nearly every pro EDM artist is on mac and 90% of all pro studios around the world use macs as their main computers, and, no, it's not because of clever marketing. As for the new laptops, is good step - not a massive but the point of thunderbolt is that it's scalable - it's 10gbs now, but that can be increased over time to 100gbs without much new technology, and sti ll using the same optical cables.

PER-FUCKING-CISELY

Whatever floats your boat guys. Use a PC, use a Mac... 100 years from now we'll all be dead so in the meantime just enjoy yourself and use whatever strikes your fancy.

True what Rann said, false what storyteller said

Your post exactly proves my point . You just haven't caught up yet.

Hey

I would like to use this thread for my question, if i would like to buy right now mac laptop for producing and djing what would you recommended me?? Am on a budged so What would be the lowest end that I shouldnt cross but still work perfectly fine at home and in club?

^^^macbook pro 13".



On topic: what it comes down is that Logic is mac only. i dont see whats there to argue left.

macbook pro 13 dual core or i3/5 ? 8gb ram? 5400 hdd or 7200? and for how many years it will be good enought so i dont worry about cpu issue?

i5,8GB,7200 if thats available fuck money, its just paper (or not even that anymore).

mine is dual core 2GB 5400 and works fine though but its almost two years old now so the new specs should be nice. have no idea really, im waiting for MBP Touch.

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Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis i5,8GB,7200 if thats available fuck money, its just paper (or not even that anymore). mine is dual core 2GB 5400 and works fine though but its almost two years old now so the new specs should be nice. have no idea really, im waiting for MBP Touch.

how many vsts you can use with that 2 years old laptop? do you djing with it aswell?? for how long do you think it could be good enought?

i dont use VSTs, i only use the devices included in Logic, Ableton and Reason, and lately ive been using samples more and more. Ive never had any CPU-limits. But I work effectively. I bet 16 instances of Zeta for a baseline could crash it though lol. Its all about your methods. Im not planning on get anything new before either iMac or MBP comes with touch. Some people use iMac for djeing just so you know. Bigger screen and with a stand that makes it take less space in the dj booth, plus alot better specs and wireless keyboard, mouse. Makes sense imo. The only problem as I see it with iMac would be 230V/110V if you are international dj. And it takes a little more space on the plane. And no battery Its all up to you, if you got the money why not just get the best.

afaik, imacs as much as macbook pros recognize both kinds of tension automatically. it's in the specs on the apple website mate.

Temptin macbook pro's, and best of it all, removable hd. Too bad about only 8 gb of ram though. A rapid calculation gives me 4049 Euros for the biggest model with 512 SSD built-in. The 27" iMac with 16gb of RAM and better peformance is 3750. Less portable, nonremovable hd, but that's also a beast.


I don't know about myself, I'll have to wait anyway.

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recognize both kinds of tension

what are you saying lolo? that they have touch now? both capacitive and resistive?


btw: so how do you connect that thunderbolt to a HDMI/DVI external screen? the very least thing i needed was a new standard.

no... I was talking about electrical tension.

mini displayport to hdmi or minidisplayport to dvi for 29 bucks and you're set.

new line doesnt have minidisplayport, only thunderbolt.

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Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis new line doesnt have minidisplayport, only thunderbolt.

It's a combined connection.You can still use your 'old' minidisplayport adapters.

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Originally posted by Lolo no... I was talking about electrical tension. mini displayport to hdmi or minidisplayport to dvi for 29 bucks and you're set.

You're right - imacs have autoswitching power supplies in them. You just need the really cheap plug adaptor so the pins fit in whatever socket you're going in to.

@Drogtech - little bit of advice: if you don't know that you can't use VST's on a mac (without a wrapper etc) then I would suggest a little more eduction on software/computer technology before spending $1000+ on a computer.

Look for the stickies at the top of this forum - there's great info in there that will help you make an informed decision.

Just so you guys know the Macbook Pros are shipping with Intel's new 'Sandybridge' processor which supposedly has built in DRM and an CPU killswitch via 3G. Here are some articles:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...s-hollywood-drm

http://www.techspot.com/news/41643-...ill-switch.html

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-opi...s-of-intels-vpr

not sure how killing the CPU will stop thieves from stealing your laptop, get you your laptop back or stop them from looking on your hardrive. Kinda stupid and funny if someone develops a hack that fries every sandybridge in a 10 block radius.

are yyu guys seruous? does the new iMac work on both 110V and 230V?? that is fukcing imence ! my mixer (AHXONE32) does that too. nothing more i love than universal powersupply,,.god im drunk

on a sidenote, can anyone (mfb?) tell me how a mac pro compares to let's say an i7 iMac? I've read all the benchmarks, but I'd like the true advice of someone I know for using about the same kind of instruments as I do (logic 9, multi-gb libraries, spectrasonics instruments, and a few hi-end plugins too).

I used a mac pro a few times and was amazed by the number of cores, but I know on forehand that the kind of instruments that I use today need something a little bit more... professional than a 2 year old laptop.

Really with those new cpu's and co, I don't know anymore. And my crappy c2d is getting in trouble when the angels want to sing hehehe...

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Originally posted by aNYthing Ugh... quad core CPUs have been out for ages (albeit not "I" series). I doubt that stability was the primary factor, as Quad Cores are and have been quite stable for some time. Price factor may have played a role, if I had to guess... but then again, Apple charges top buck for their systems, would have been nice to leverage Quad Cores for the money people, including myself, have spent. And congrats on being a Windows-based Ableton user, you and your friends must feel confident in your systems and probably spent a substantial amount of time ensuring it's stable. Not many people, given the choice, would say "it's all the same". I've seen some myself, however, when asked about stability on Win7 - many have said "yeah, I've had some crashes". Not to say that Macs are error-free. I've seen PvD's rig in Central park, running on Mac, blow up and forcing him to reboot with a live drummer trying to keep crowd moving while PvD was rebooting. Shit happens on any computer, it just tends to happen less with Macs, IMO. And don't be a hypocrite - you're being a Windows fanboi yourself when you're reaching for personal attacks, instead of providing some stats to back your theory up. Fact: more live performers use Macs vs PCs. Prove me wrong, go ahead.

You're making the claim so how about you provide the stats. Also quad core hasn't been out for ages, intel just had a couple of quad core CPUs that were very occasionallly used. It really only started getting heavy use in laptops with the i7 series.

I didn't spend a lot of time ensuring stability actually. My setup usually runs flawlessly. Ableton rigs have less problems than CDJs IME. CDJs fail more than ableton on either mac or PC, and crowds are used to that.

I'm not being a windows fanboi at all, you're just making stacks of claims without any numbers to back them up. I don't even care about this debate tbh, you can spend your money on whatever system you like, I know that mine's stable, and I honestly don't care what proportion of other musicians use macs

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Originally posted by Storyteller I'm going to take the leap and say none is better. The entire idea of one OS being better than the other is a thing of the past but a lot of people just haven't caught up with that yet. They're different but all very capable and stable, but none of them are perfect. It's just a decision based on personaly preference and experience, no more no less.

I'd agree with that I think.

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Originally posted by Lolo on a sidenote, can anyone (mfb?) tell me how a mac pro compares to let's say an i7 iMac? I've read all the benchmarks, but I'd like the true advice of someone I know for using about the same kind of instruments as I do (logic 9, multi-gb libraries, spectrasonics instruments, and a few hi-end plugins too). I used a mac pro a few times and was amazed by the number of cores, but I know on forehand that the kind of instruments that I use today need something a little bit more... professional than a 2 year old laptop. Really with those new cpu's and co, I don't know anymore. And my crappy c2d is getting in trouble when the angels want to sing hehehe...

The mac pro's are not really a good bang for your buck lately. Unless you need hardrive space and lots of ram which was my main concern, the imac is a much better purchase. The 8 core mac pro is just a little bit more powerful than my previous mac pro from early 2009. Another thing about many cores is that logic just doesn't use them properly. I think this is more a concern for people using Kontakt and large sample libraries. THe problem is that logic forces any instrument to only use one core so if you have an instrument with any aux channels, everything will only be processed by one core. It is possible to have your cpu maxed out by only one instrument despite having all the other cores free. Really frustrating. This happens on the imac but the bottleneck happens so often that the CPU power of the mac pro just doesn't matter in the end.

I felt a little cheated buying the new mac pro but oh well.

Thanks so much for the detailed answer.

Exactly what I thought. You pointed out my main concern. Sometimes when playing an instrument that uses RR several times, it takes the CPU 3 reps to max out.

Dare I say tone hammer broke my wallet, because now I need a new mac? LOL.

I'll wait though, until the new iMacs get rolled out. Let's hope that's before steves funeral rofl.

How much are you loading ? The imac It can fit up to 16 gigs which is a lot. Depending on what you do, you might have enough to load all those libraries in ram or at least increase the buffer to avoid underruns.

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