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"I know trance has changed a lot but it's not all fucked, TBH when I browse Beatport I only find about 15 out of the whole top 100 that are really good, but there still are some good tune's being made."



Sorry to be blunt, but people like you are the reason the scene is so fucked up and you are losing your beloved TE. People like you who just lap up whatever shit your DJ gods put in your feeding troff. Alot of people have come to their senses and realized trance nowdays is shit, which is why you are losing your event.... Haha, trance.nu and trance energy died the same year! Take a hint jesus.... Commercial pop trance is on its way out of popularity, and hopefully will never return.

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Originally posted by Swamper Jeez, you guys are rough. I can see where the OP is coming from though - 'Trance' Energy was a sacred event in many Trance Addict's eyes. As for the comment that most here don't like Trance - that's false -- it's just that those of us that do don't feel the need to waste our time (at every opportunity) dismissing other genres simply because it isn't our cup of tea. Some of you rant off like bitter, jaded ravers ...and it's getting rather old, to be honest.

Thanks for your comment and to dj christian also .

Yeah it's not like where trying to cause trouble, it was just a request at the start.

despite i don't think his behaviour at first was appropiate i agree with the OP, Trance Energy was sacred, it is not only that every year the line up was more chart influenced than quality influenced but now they bring up artists that float around a mainstream aura, this year was Ti�sto next year we'll see Guetta, i'dnt mind if instead of 20djs they just bring 10 selected ones, instead of Ti�sto, Sven Vath or Richie Hawtin, that would be a change in the concept of the show, now we bring other styles big names, you can add some DnB with Pendulum or Noisia... maybe not quality names but catchy for a line up in any case at least doing his thing instead of playing pop trance or pop house.

That would be welcome, this movement is clearly a $$$$ movement.

omg people asked you where to get pills?!?! That definitely hasn't happened to me at every party I've ever been to!

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Originally posted by Swamper Jeez, you guys are rough. I can see where the OP is coming from though - 'Trance' Energy was a sacred event in many Trance Addict's eyes. As for the comment that most here don't like Trance - that's false -- it's just that those of us that do don't feel the need to waste our time (at every opportunity) dismissing other genres simply because it isn't our cup of tea. Some of you rant off like bitter, jaded ravers ...and it's getting rather old, to be honest.

+1, also there are many people not reading this section, so talking about "here" at "Music Discussion" certainly isn't the same as "here" at Tranceaddict. With all the bashing in this section people don't even admit they like ASOT. Well, I DO LIKE IT, (but certainly not all of it).

To be honest, I would like to see it as Trance Energy again. There are enough other festivals covering more genres, so one with Trance in it's name sounds good to me.

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Originally posted by dj christian We do like trance. Im still listening to trance even circa 2002 at most.

Ah yes, but that's not what is being played as "trance" nowadays is it? I used the word as my assumption of his understanding of it, which is why I can say most users don't like it. For clarification replace the word with "shitty supersaw pop".

I might be wrong here though, because I really don't know what's being played at Trance Energy. I'm making wild assumptions based on lots of trancecompilations with "feat. [singer]" in 95%" of all the tracknames.

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Originally posted by Swamper As for the comment that most here don't like Trance - that's false -- it's just that those of us that do don't feel the need to waste our time (at every opportunity) dismissing other genres simply because it isn't our cup of tea.

So basically; there are a lot of users here who like trance (now talking about SSP, explained earlier), but it doesn't seem like it because they don't feel the need to dismiss other genres? This doesn't make any sense.

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Originally posted by Redd So basically; there are a lot of users here who like trance (now talking about SSP, explained earlier), but it doesn't seem like it because they don't feel the need to dismiss other genres? This doesn't make any sense.

It does make sense if you don't leave out the rest of what he said. There are a few people who jump into these kinds of threads time and time again bashing the new people who come in with their supersaws blazing. That doesn't mean that most of the users here don't like trance, it just means that some of the older people on here are so fervent in their distaste of newer trance, that it seems like most of the the people on here don't like trance, when in reality it's just that most of the people on here who post in MD happen to be the "jaded ravers" as Swamper put it.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 it just means that some of the older people on here are so fervent in their distaste of newer trance

I try to keep it 'some' and hope it won't get 'most' as one of the older ones.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 It does make sense if you don't leave out the rest of what he said. There are a few people who jump into these kinds of threads time and time again bashing the new people who come in with their supersaws blazing. That doesn't mean that most of the users here don't like trance, it just means that some of the older people on here are so fervent in their distaste of newer trance, that it seems like most of the the people on here don't like trance, when in reality it's just that most of the people on here who post in MD happen to be the "jaded ravers" as Swamper put it.

Ok I guess we have to define "most users" to even begin discussing this. This site has LOADS of members, most of whom never ever post. When I wrote most users here don't like trance it was to explain why he and every other tit ranting like that gets bashed here. Obviously I'm talking about the active members of this board. Who the hell cares about those that never contribute or just lurks? To me you don't count as a "user" just because you registered. Also I'm not buying that it just seems like it. This reminds me of a couple of days ago when an e-magazine reviewed a game to a score of 8.5, but the median of a LOT of user-reviews was ~3.5. This lead to an outrage in the comment-section where everyone was blaming trolls and pollbombing because they just couldn't fathom that their game was total cocksmokery. Yes it was probably a little skewed, but the game really was a huge huge disappointment. Is this board really filled with closet ssp-fans? I'm not convinced.

And yep Trance-MB, everyone and their hairless cat knows you like trance, past, present and future.

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Originally posted by Redd So basically; there are a lot of users here who like trance (now talking about SSP, explained earlier), but it doesn't seem like it because they don't feel the need to dismiss other genres? This doesn't make any sense.

What I am saying is that those that do not like Trance make a POINT of letting everyone know they do not like it whereas those that do, for the most part, do not engage in that kind of behaviour (i.e. jumping into a techno/house thread and dismissing it as rubbish)

Your perspective of MD gets automatically tarnished when Trance threads within MD get derailed by trance-haters. Yes, I agree, there is a lot of shit trance out there, but there is a lot of shit music in other genres being dumped/produced in a 'let's see what sticks' fashion. Trance just gets dumped on the most.

As well, from Day 1 of TA Music Discussion was NEVER only about Trance because one of my pet peeves is genre elitism. The problem has become that in enforcing an open policy of freedom of speech on here means it becomes difficult in maintaining a welcoming atmosphere when some go out of their way to be dicks.

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Originally posted by Redd I guess I can see why you would be upset, but this really really isn't a place to post this if you can't handle being flamed / ridiculed / told to sod off.

^^ and that right there is the problem.

about drugs on Energy... well was one of the few festivals where people didn't ask me for drugs, i was on the "trance" area but i listened to some of the stuff playing on the Connect? stage (Marco V,Simon Patterson stage) when i was walking from stage to stage and certainly you needed drugs to stand up for the whole night. A girl saw me rolling a cigarette and thought it was Marijuana and kindly asked for something, she left a bit pissed...

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Originally posted by Swamper What I am saying is that those that do not like Trance make a POINT of letting everyone know they do not like it whereas those that do, for the most part, do not engage in that kind of behaviour (i.e. jumping into a techno/house thread and dismissing it as rubbish) Your perspective of MD gets automatically tarnished when Trance threads within MD get derailed by trance-haters. Yes, I agree, there is a lot of shit trance out there, but there is a lot of shit music in other genres being dumped/produced in a 'let's see what sticks' fashion. Trance just gets dumped on the most.

I disagree. Any thread about any genre that is about the shitty portion of that genre gets hacked to pieces. The only reason it might seem like trance gets butchered more is because there are more threads about it. Newly registered users = new threads on trance. Almost always the bad stuff. Thread about wobble wobble shitty dubstep? TA rips you a new one. Thread about David Guetta? TA rapes your girlfriend.

If you're going to complain about the state of TA you have to take all this into consideration. And if you get rid of *all* this flaming it would mean censorship and a cesspool of threads of so much horseshit I would personally never return.

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Originally posted by Redd Ok I guess we have to define "most users" to even begin discussing this. This site has LOADS of members, most of whom never ever post. When I wrote most users here don't like trance it was to explain why he and every other tit ranting like that gets bashed here.

I guess you should define "here" too. Some sections even have lots of 2001 users you never see in this section.

By the way, did I tell you I still like trance yet?


Ow, and some people here can stay polite especially to new members even if they ask a question for the 1001st time.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB I guess you should define "here" too. Some sections even have lots of 2001 users you never see in this section. Ow, and some people here can stay polite especially to new members even if they ask a question for the 1001st time.

MD. Can't speak for any other section really. This was where he posted and got the reaction. I don't see how this can be unclear.

Asking a question for the 1001st time isn't rude. Asking a question that can be answered by reading stickies or googling is. Answering lazy rude people politely encourages more of it.

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Hey, guys

I think the problem that I have with threads like this one (albeit a little less than the other one I C&P'd my feigned agreement with), is that they're so murky to begin with. They always present with staunch sentimentality for the fading way things used to be. They find fault with the status quo while failing regard for the fact that all musical styles exist within their own continuum. In that regard, they have a cause for propping up that which is perceived to be sagging - and not in a very productive way.

What I've noticed about this forum is that the most successful threads are consistently non-reductive in their analysis of music, unless by incidental comparison. The OP usually asks for something specifically related to music they're interested in discussing and if people can relate to it, then the thread is relatively successful.

The worst threads are purely reductive criticisms (Shaw's Worst DJ thread being an exception that proves the rule) and those which promote artists converging on or already in the mainstream (Above & Beyond, Armin Van Buuren, Tiesto, Swedish House Mafia, Deadmau5). Threads which are started to slam Deadmau5 (who I actually like), dubstep (and even citing legitimately crappy music e.g. Brostep), minimal - even when there's wide agreement - don't really serve any purpose and usually descend into meaninglessness, anyways.

Personally, I think these "cause" threads are one step above the reductive critique threads and are inherently reductive in themselves since, more often than not, they seem to focus on what isn't to someone's liking, which pretty much maps out the thread's future to be that which continually focuses on a deficit. Maybe Trance Energy has earned remembrance but attempting to leverage some collective negotiation to help maintain the same format it's had since its inception, seems a little short-sighted.

It isn't really pointing to anyone who's being innovative in music. It's not concerned with stylistic elements. It doesn't even focus on musicians, producers, DJ's and/or promoters who actually might be continuing where TE left off. It's just trying to insist that nothing good will come from TE's change and that it should therefor stay the same as it used to be. I'm neither for or against that. It's just with such a focus, I don't think it's necessarily wrong to take issue with it and I'm also not really certain how it qualifies as a topic for Music Discussion, to begin with.

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Originally posted by Redd Asking a question for the 1001st time isn't rude. Asking a question that can be answered by reading stickies or googling is. Answering lazy rude people politely encourages more of it.

Google can answer many questions, however, what is obvious to us maybe isn't to some youngsters.
You can be polite and still tell someone there are better ways. Also a bit of humor helps, no need to be really rude IMO. I'm convinced giving a clear answer instead of a rude has better effect.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I'm also not really certain how it qualifies as a topic for Music Discussion, to begin with.

Don't really see a problem with that, as it's about change of music style.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Don't really see a problem with that, as it's about change of music style.

No, it's not. It's about lobbying against a change of music format by a promoter. It's focus has nothing really to do with music, directly. It's more about politics/business that, while related to the music it pertains to, have relatively little to do with traits that are relevant to said music.

If you want to continue such a discussion under the belief that you're discussing music, that's fine, but my point is that in doing so, you're accepting a dilution of the topics relevant in this forum and that, in doing so, ultimately contributing to a disruptive lack of focus in it.


EDIT: Really, in my opinion what's needed, if people want to discuss topics like this, is a Music Business/Industry Forum. I'm almost certain there's tons of interesting topics to be had in that from corrupt promoters to clubs with good sound-systems to industry trends.

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Originally posted by enydo Hey, guys

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Originally posted by EddieZilker EDIT: Really, in my opinion what's needed, if people want to discuss topics like this, is a Music Business/Industry Forum. I'm almost certain there's tons of interesting topics to be had in that from corrupt promoters to clubs with good sound-systems to industry trends.

I'm open to ideas...

I don't see how moving the discussion under another header is going to change the outcome of threads like this. The basic issue is that the forum has a group of established tastemaker members who have been around for a while and are well respected, and their tastes and opinions dominate who and what is acceptable. This is a situation that has evolved naturally, dictated by the age of the forum and when most of the members joined.

It has little or nothing to do with how trance fans respect other genres or how other people don't - I remember the old "trance vs prog" wars where there were constant threads, arguments and memes where uplifting trance fans would bash prog. Then there was a lot of bashing of minimal techno, today there's a lot of bashing of dubstep. The level of bashing is proportional to the level of discussion - drone ambient doesn't get bashed much because drone ambient isn't very popular. If it were somehow ubiquitous in clubs right now, you can bet your ass there'd be plenty of threads about how much it sucks.

I don't think you can moderate the hostility out of TA without ruining the forum. Personally I'm just bored of it, even though I've been on both sides of it in the past - dished it out and took it on the chin. I'm making more of an effort to educate people positively by posting good music, explaining things, quoting articles. If they want to listen, they will.

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Originally posted by Swamper I'm open to ideas...

I was thinking it would fit in well in the DJ'ing/Production/Promotion section. Threads like this one, posted in the Production Studio, could probably get a little more attention and threads, like the one in Music Discussion about Beatport not labelling their tracks would also be at home.

While many of these threads aren't necessarily neglected or assailed here or elsewhere, these sorts would be easier to find while also giving the OP a forum for which his or her views/topics are more appropriate. It would also possibly fulfill a role in providing information about the business, itself; an understanding for which I've found to be lacking sometimes in other members and which I, myself, have some curiosity with.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker No, it's not. It's about lobbying against a change of music format by a promoter. It's focus has nothing really to do with music, directly. It's more about politics/business that, while related to the music it pertains to, have relatively little to do with traits that are relevant to said music.

I thought is was more about keeping it a trance orientated festival. So if is about what you can hear then I think you can call it music related. But that's just my opinion.

Hahaha...

You know Trance-Addict is really the most trance-disliking trance community. (And then I mean nowadays trance)

The people on here sure are funny sometimes, just read between the fucking lines...

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