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Originally posted by Adam420 But mind you, I do believe to an extent in astronomy/astrology and I believe they used such tools. I mean what goes on in space does affect what goes on on earth, with magnetic forces and whatnot. I mean it's not completely out of the question. They used science, not some kind of shamanistic ritual to determine these things. Egypt, Mesopotamian, Greece, they all used these means to predict events.

Magnetic forces? Do you mean gravity? How does magnetic (or gravitational) influence from space influence plate activity, and where is it demonstrated that the Mayans understood this? And it's notable that both Mayan astronomy and their calender were deeply intertwined with their religious beliefs, and so the gap between "science" and "shaministic ritual" is much smaller than you probably think.

If we remove the Mayans and the bullshit from the equation, then I suggest you examine the records on seismic activity in the Pacific rim before you decide there's been an increase. It's called the Ring Of Fire for a good reason, and you may well find that it's no more active now than it has been at many other points in the past.

fucking idiot. And this is probably the same type of premise jews use to think that they are god's chosen people.

Get a hint.

just trollinnnn

As the Montreal mod, I promise you guys I'll smack him if I ever see him around

Go extrapolate all the large natural disasters, wars and other things over the last 300 years and come back to me and tell me if there is any sort of differing or expanding trend amongst them.

Just because you see something a lot, doesn't mean its out of the normal range of incidence at all, but more so that you have a better knowledge of the entirety of that range, which up until the last 30 years or so was not very visible.

yahweh is giong to give you the beatdown.

Look I'm not saying that any of this is fact at all. It's a theory, and if it's wrong then prove it as such with facts. It's that simple.

I feel like people are always wanting the next doomsday scenario to look forward to. We are a society driven by fear and an acorn falling on someones head can quickly become a sky is falling theory in an age of mass media.

The storytelling romantic in me likes to fantasize that 2012 will bring the awakening of the human race to its next step of evolution, and that this may be (but hopefully won't be) triggered by catastrophe.

HOWEVER, my logical side knows better. Humanity's existence has been extremely brief when you consider the life of the Earth, and things like harsher tectonic movement and geological activity seem to move in cycles. Considering "recorded history" doesn't date back that far, I wouldn't be surprised if we're just entering a period of stronger geological force. Kind of like the Earth having bad indigestion for a bit, only in the lifetime of the Earth a "bit" could be several generations.

Every generation has moments where they believe the world will end during their lifetimes. It's because we place a much bigger importance on our own experience than we do the experiences of others, therefore our lifetimes always feel more important than the ones that came before. But the world only ends once, and I sincerely doubt it will happen in 2012.

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Originally posted by Adam420 Look I'm not saying that any of this is fact at all. It's a theory, and if it's wrong then prove it as such with facts. It's that simple.

SHUT UP YOU STUPID IDIOT!!! IT'S NOT A "THEORY", THERE'S NOTHING TO PROVE, EXCEPT HOW THICK YOUR SKULL IS! BUT THAT COULD EASILY BE ACCOMPLISHED BY BASHING YOUR HEAD CONTINOUSLY ON A HARD ROCK AND SEEING IT CRACK IN HALF (THE ROCK BECAUSE YOUR SKULL IS SO THICK!)


DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW OR DO I NEED TO ELABORATE FURTHER?!

YOU TROLLED ME HARD MAN.. FUCKING HARD!

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Originally posted by Adam420 Look I'm not saying that any of this is fact at all. It's a theory, and if it's wrong then prove it as such with facts. It's that simple.

YOU prove it. You are the one making statements.

Fucking god damn Glenn Beck bullshit style of argument.



Adam420 raped a bunch of 5 year old boys and girls and killed their pre-school teacher in 2004.

Prove me wrong Adam420, PROVE ME WRONG.

There is absolutely no scientific evidence that the mayans could have used to predict the end of the world in 2012.

Also, since you're making the positive assertion "The mayans were right about 2012 based on 'scientific' methods." the burden of proof falls on you to prove that you're correct, not on us to prove that you're wrong.

All existing evidence from the past tells us that the world will keep spinning, and life will go on after 2012, because it already has for millions, or even billions of years already.

Could we find a correlation between these recent events and global phenomena like global warming, or the effects of solar flares? I think science has told us that we can, but I'm not well-versed in the science behind those theories at all. I've only read the occasional newspaper article that briefly discusses the theories along that path.

Ill leave this here for PKC.

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Originally posted by Quazar The storytelling romantic in me likes to fantasize that 2012 will bring the awakening of the human race to its next step of evolution, and that this may be (but hopefully won't be) triggered by catastrophe. HOWEVER, my logical side knows better. Humanity's existence has been extremely brief when you consider the life of the Earth, and things like harsher tectonic movement and geological activity seem to move in cycles. Considering "recorded history" doesn't date back that far, I wouldn't be surprised if we're just entering a period of stronger geological force. Kind of like the Earth having bad indigestion for a bit, only in the lifetime of the Earth a "bit" could be several generations. Every generation has moments where they believe the world will end during their lifetimes. It's because we place a much bigger importance on our own experience than we do the experiences of others, therefore our lifetimes always feel more important than the ones that came before. But the world only ends once, and I sincerely doubt it will happen in 2012.

almost exactly my sentiments on the topic, it probably won't happen but it would be cool if something did occur.

the mayans had 2 calendars, a more typical one, and a really long one, which happens to end in 2012. just like ours, theirs just mark the end of an era and the beginning of a new one. i think the moral of the story is,


don't live near fault lines.

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Originally posted by Blake don't live near fault lines.

Well then I'M screwed! I should have stayed in Atlanta.

(I've read NYC is near a fault line, too, just a currently dormant one)

Of course 2012 is real. What, did you think time was just going to stop on December 31st?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Oh, I read it. I just don't see how the Mayans could possibly know anything about tectonic plate activity. And if they did, you're suggesting they knew enough to predict the year of a massive seismic event thousands of years into the future, even though modern science doesn't have a clue it's going to happen the year before. And if you're not suggesting that, why bring up the Mayans or their geographical location at all?

How do we know what they knew or how they knew it?
Maybe this is why the built the pyramids.

There is nothing in the mayan 'prophecy' to suggest some kind of cataclysmic end of the world event. The end time of the calender itself represents the ending of just one cycle of time and the beginning of another. The mayan civilization (supposedly) knew about the precession of the Equinox (26,000 year gradual 'wobble' of the earth on it's axis). It is believed that the ending of the b'ak'tun coincides with this precession. The prophecy itself from what I remember is actually just a few lines of some vaguely ominous sounding metaphor, you can interpret it as anything

HOWEVER

How the hell did these ancient, supposedly primitive civilizations know so much about astronomy and even create the most accurate calendar in existence?.. thousands of years ago without any of the technology we have today? Something is very fishy about all that I mean... the Egyptians knew that Sirius (the dog star) is a binary star system, even though the smaller of the two is not visible to the naked eye. As far as anyone knows there were no telescopes in ancient Mesopotamia sooo...

Another fun thing is that this Dec 21st 2012 date is coming from more than one place... Terence Mckenna discovered the exact same date while trying to make sense out of the infamously mysterious I Ching. Trying to paraphrase his findings is sorta impossible so just go download some torrents when you can, the dude is fucking far out go listen to him seriously

Anyway, if there is something going on i think it's more of a paradigm shift and not an actual shift of the planet on it's axis. If something like that were to actually happen (pole shift) the destruction would be unimaginable. It's not even something you can hope to prepare for. But I do think that humanity is kind of coming to terms with itself and we're not going to be able to carry on like this for much longer... there is hard scientific data for that. Our entire infrastructure runs on oil which there is a very finite amount of. Global climate change, over population, all the while our technology is advancing exponentially. Could you imagine another thousand years of human evolution? Fuck no, there is no future at least not for the world as we know it today.

Basically, planetary change is natural and is happening all the time. There have been many, many extinctions on this planet and there will be many more. In fact we are between ice ages right now, during a very rare warm spell. Shit doesn't last, at least shit built up around this illusory nonrenewable resource. Now would be a good time I think to find a self-sustaining community off the grid, hopefully close by to a natural spring. If the geological breakdown doesn't get you, the economic one will. It wouldn't hurt to be prepared, not because of all this retarded 2012 prophecy bullshit but because of the VERY REAL changes that are upon us. No one should expect a completely normal next 20 years.

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Originally posted by Adam420 I do believe to an extent in astronomy/astrology

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Originally posted by meriter There is nothing in the mayan 'prophecy' to suggest some kind of cataclysmic end of the world event. The end time of the calender itself represents the ending of just one cycle of time and the beginning of another. The mayan civilization (supposedly) knew about the precession of the Equinox (26,000 year gradual 'wobble' of the earth on it's axis). It is believed that the ending of the b'ak'tun coincides with this precession. The prophecy itself from what I remember is actually just a few lines of some vaguely ominous sounding metaphor, you can interpret it as anything HOWEVER How the hell did these ancient, supposedly primitive civilizations know so much about astronomy and even create the most accurate calendar in existence?.. thousands of years ago without any of the technology we have today? Something is very fishy about all that I mean... the Egyptians knew that Sirius (the dog star) is a binary star system, even though the smaller of the two is not visible to the naked eye. As far as anyone knows there were no telescopes in ancient Mesopotamia sooo... Another fun thing is that this Dec 21st 2012 date is coming from more than one place... Terence Mckenna discovered the exact same date while trying to make sense out of the infamously mysterious I Ching. Trying to paraphrase his findings is sorta impossible so just go download some torrents when you can, the dude is fucking far out go listen to him seriously Anyway, if there is something going on i think it's more of a paradigm shift and not an actual shift of the planet on it's axis. If something like that were to actually happen (pole shift) the destruction would be unimaginable. It's not even something you can hope to prepare for. But I do think that humanity is kind of coming to terms with itself and we're not going to be able to carry on like this for much longer... there is hard scientific data for that. Our entire infrastructure runs on oil which there is a very finite amount of. Global climate change, over population, all the while our technology is advancing exponentially. Could you imagine another thousand years of human evolution? Fuck no, there is no future at least not for the world as we know it today. Basically, planetary change is natural and is happening all the time. There have been many, many extinctions on this planet and there will be many more. In fact we are between ice ages right now, during a very rare warm spell. Shit doesn't last, at least shit built up around this illusory nonrenewable resource. Now would be a good time I think to find a self-sustaining community off the grid, hopefully close by to a natural spring. If the geological breakdown doesn't get you, the economic one will. It wouldn't hurt to be prepared, not because of all this retarded 2012 prophecy bullshit but because of the VERY REAL changes that are upon us. No one should expect a completely normal next 20 years.

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Originally posted by Adam420 I do believe to an extent in astronomy/astrology

I believe to an extent in chemistry/Alchemy

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