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Originally posted by Bierheld Also, on a different but related subject: To me a lot of club nights feel slow throughout and my friends seem to agree with that. DJ's tend to take the whole night into consideration and as such are uncomfortable with raising the set tempo too quickly fearing stagnation at the peak moments. I feel this is the reason why the dancefloor is always empty in the early hours. I've always wondered if there is a good way to fix this as a linear set flow feels so natural and important to club nights.

Promoters and djs have the wrong?� idea that you've to play slower and more commercial music at the start of the night, sounds logical but there are a lot of daylight festivals where the venue is packed at 10 a.m , sometimes i've been criticized for being too energetic for the current time, for me if clubs are empty at the early hours is just because instead of playing moderately serious music they are playing Justin Bieber,Hanna Montana,David Guetta etc... obviously a lot of people aren't interested at all in this kind of music and would skip this part of the night in another place, however at least in my country there is an additional problem that should happen in a lot of european countries too.

- When you are 16 years old you can access the clubs and when you are 18 you can drink booze inside of them , the music a 16 year old girl may like should be completely different to what a 25 year old drunk guy wants so promoters tend to share the night , at the early hours their venue will be moderately full of 16-18 year old people and at some point in the night, 2 a.m for example, older people would attend.

For me apart from pissing me off badly i think they are doing in the wrong way, when i was younger only some specific clubs had "young nights" they didn't serve alcohol but i remember all of them were packed just because when you're 16 it's a buzz to go to the club.

But now the 16 year old kids are drunk morons who drink in a park and does not spend a pence in the club, they just drunk dance to the cheesiest pop hit of the moment, on the other hand you could have the club filled with 20-30 year old people who have a job and can afford spending 20-30$ on it.

Lol i've completely lost the topic here but well this are my thoughts on the early scene.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos [...]

You're problem is mostly one concerning big commercial dancings and discotheques. Proper nightclubs are usually either 18+ or 21+, generally quite expensive, yes, but not necessarily. Their focus is on catering to a crowd who comes for the music rather then the usual drinking&courting. I'm talking more about a situation were you have a night with a few consecutive sets of f.i. techno DJ's that have to balance the energy output for an entire night while trying to keep a linear flow.

I measure all dance music by the amount of orgasms I receive per minute.

yes my post is more focused on my crap local night but could be applyed to festivals and big events too, people come only for the headliner but promoters do it wrong, the other day i attended a set of Kenny Larkin, at first there was a guy playing dub, i know System J and other people here enjoy this relaxed side of electronica but most people found it boring, as a result there was more people outside the venue chatting than inside, when Kenny Larkin got to the stage the transition was harsh but people finally got what they want. Same on festivals, the guy who warms up any big name is exposed to mix for just a hundred of people while the headliner will have 5,000 dancing their ass off, and sometimes the warm up set is better than the "good" set.

I've been to the netherlands and is completely different to my scene but here even big clubs usually suck, you pay 15$ just for a good sound system, chances the dj is the son of the promoter are high.

Getting back to the original question, it's somewhat indicative of a certain state of mind that such a thought could even be entertained by someone, or how safe, predictable and compartmentalized it all appears to have become over time for a certain segment of the listening public.

But it shouldn't be a surprise as historically there have always been DJs such as Roy Thode who were extremely conscious of this, and charted their sets with much thought being given to the BPM ranges, going as far back as 1978.

And that on the opposite side of things many of those who became legendary were also completely ignoring this, in favor of a purposely more organic and intuitive style that could be far more flamboyant and unpredictable, but ultimately and arguably more emotionally rewarding than somehow comparing music to the utilitarian manner with which fruits are calibrated before they are packaged and boxed up to hit supermarket shelves. (there may well be however a question of collective responsibility on the DJs part to have slowly let things turn that way, but that may be for another discussion)

Taken to an extreme, this and other similar clinical states of mind may well point out to a future where everything is so finely-tuned and precisely set, safely leaving nothing to chance that human intervention won't even be required anymore, except to provide window dressing like flashy outfits, acrobatic dance steps, the obligatory 'Jesus Pose�' and magic tricks or something of that ilk.... which in some sense feels perfect for a good portion of the current ADD-afflicted generation, many of whom are customarily so busy texting, tweeting and taking cell phone pictures that they never let themselves get lost too deep in the sound anyway. In contrast a small minority will probably reject this and adopt a fairly opposite stance of messy open-minded unpredictability, closing their eyes and dancing with each other in dark rooms rather than facing the DJ/entertainer/main attraction while standing there. Regardless of all of which the planet won't stop rotating around its axis, as it has for billions of years.

Yeah, to each his/her own (as usual)

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos yes my post is more focused on my crap local night but could be applyed to festivals and big events too, people come only for the headliner but promoters do it wrong, the other day i attended a set of Kenny Larkin, at first there was a guy playing dub, i know System J and other people here enjoy this relaxed side of electronica but most people found it boring, as a result there was more people outside the venue chatting than inside, when Kenny Larkin got to the stage the transition was harsh but people finally got what they want. Same on festivals, the guy who warms up any big name is exposed to mix for just a hundred of people while the headliner will have 5,000 dancing their ass off, and sometimes the warm up set is better than the "good" set. I've been to the netherlands and is completely different to my scene but here even big clubs usually suck, you pay 15$ just for a good sound system, chances the dj is the son of the promoter are high.

It's not as much of a problem with festivals you see, as they are very long so you've already committed yourself to stay for a long time and there's much less of a rush to keep things interesting just by tempo building. DJ's have more room to experiment, as people that don't like it can just walk away and visit a different tent.

Nightclubs are very different in that aspect, they usually have a single main room and sometimes a few more niche stages. So everything basically has to happen in one place. People may have been working all day and will get tired if you don't keep building the energy. This restricts the DJ's in what they can do flow wise so they'll usually stick to a linear formula. It's either the beginning or the end of the night that will suffer from it, so they choose to have the early hours take a hit and disguise it as a "warm up". Meaning you get empty floors.

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Originally posted by Bierheld Which brings me to my next point: If every club set was in the 125-135 range (And unfortunately it seems most of them are) i'd be really bored of them by now. Some of the best sets in my opinion offer smooth variation with a couple of surprise tempo changes at the right moments. It may start at the 'comfy range' but take a deep break in slower tempo's whilst ending in tekno speeds and insanity. It may not be as easy to dance too but at least it'll be more memorable and not just because it's breaking status quo.

I don't know if you're misrepresenting me because you're simultaneously arguing with that Spanish clown, but once again I am in no way suggesting that every club set should be any tempo, and neither does nominating a preferred tempo mean I am opposed to frequent tempo switches in a set. Need I remind you of the sets I've posted on TA where I do exactly that?

And I don't actually dance in my preferred range too often. With the slow-mo/nu disco thing there's a lot of sub-120 stuff, dubstep is based around 70/140, drum 'n bass 87/175, psy-trance (the only place to hear credible trance) often goes up past 140, hip-hop is generally below 100bpm. Sure, there's a billion "house and tech" DJs plodding around at 126 in every city, but I don't go to those parties. The only time I get to dance to 125-135 stuff I really enjoy is probably a prog, breaks or techno night, and those are relatively rare treats.

Yeah you just got caught in really. I was originally responding to the topic starter's post, then you replied to me because you happened to have chosen the exact same BPM range i was using as an example, probably subconsciously because i did read your post but didn't have it in mind at the time. All this lead to a rather confusing situation in which you're nuances were lost in the heat of argument.

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Originally posted by geroin 325 bpm per second

Is there any track with this BPM? Can you post here an example, im curious

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Originally posted by rdevito Is there any track with this BPM? Can you post here an example, im curious

honestly i want a night to go from sub-zero to around 200.

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