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Re: Re: Screw tolerance, I'm not going to let Christianity be irresponsible any more!
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard While I understand the outrage, and am similarly offended, I would suggest to you that the position of this "pastor" is in no way consistant with mainstream Christianity. |
Re: Re: Screw tolerance, I'm not going to let Christianity be irresponsible any more!
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| Originally posted by Comrade Stalin The USA still beats you though on the religious nut meter. |
I don't see why people think that arguing with words is going to get them anywhere with religious people. The only thing they understand is violence.
Faith is blind, so words have no effect and its insane to think otherwise.
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I don't see why people think that arguing with words is going to get them anywhere with religious people. The only thing they understand is violence. Faith is blind, so words have no effect and its insane to think otherwise. |
Words have an effect on sane people..normal folks who were brought up accepting religious dogmas without really thinking much about it. There's an old saying "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." While that is usually the case, it isn't always the case. Minds can be changed, but it depends on how "deep" they are into the belief system. Those who have been brainwashed and had their self esteem destroyed by constant references to "sin" and how wretched they are will likely be too frightened to question the only crutch they have (their friend Jeebus).. More moderate Christians who go to church mainly for the community and feel-good aspect however may be able to see sense..especially if they have a decent science education and aren't tied to biblical literalism.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201...ations-killings
Look at this shit... FUCK. Idiots killing each other over books about fake shit.
Before you join the hardline atheists lira, check this out:
Fast forward to 3:38. Sorry, I can't fast forward it for you in the link because I don't know how lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu_6...tailpage#t=227s
I know it appears tactless to post something that criticizes Japanese thought right after what's happening there, but I assure everyone that malice is not my intent.
Japan has issues with sexism and racism and they're pretty irreligious. Hell, there is even a stigma against those with leprosy. France gets racist too, they're pretty irreligious also. I think religion is more a symptom than anything.
Look at some demographics of religious people. If you're a criminal, you're very likely to be religious. If you have education, you're more likely to be atheist or irreligious. An atheist convention in the USA is more likely to look like a star wars convention in terms of demographics, while it's other is going to be more varied depending on certain variables if you go to a religious convention because it has more of the everyman.
A lot of the so-called "new atheists" will say (I even think Harris even said it) that poverty isn't the reason for terrorist attacks like the libs say, since a lot of terrorists have degrees in engineering, and are some type of middle class. I reply with this: bin laden, guevara, pol pot, amongst others, were rich men who were in regions of instability. Last time I checked, the middle east region is a region of love and peace, so I'm 100% wrong.
Join the war lira.I've got your back. 
Here is my feeble contribution to spreading reason, science, skepticism, and pwnage of theistic nonsense: http://www.youtube.com/user/bdwilson1000
None of these were made by me. I started mirroring videos a few months ago..anything that promotes critical thinking or takes a slap at magical thinking. Lots of this stuff (especially some of the Hitchens & Matt Dillahunty clips) helped shake me out of religion about 4 years ago..so I'm doing my best to spread the same content to others. With the exception of the Family Guy clip (I uploaded today), I think every vid makes at least one important point or delivers one solid punch against superstition.
I have never understood why people get upset when ignorant fools make outlandish claims.
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| Originally posted by BTG I have never understood why people get upset when ignorant fools make outlandish claims. |
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| Originally posted by -FSP- Japan has issues with sexism and racism and they're pretty irreligious. Hell, there is even a stigma against those with leprosy. France gets racist too, they're pretty irreligious also. I think religion is more a symptom than anything. |
Re: Re: Screw tolerance, I'm not going to let Christianity be irresponsible any more!
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard While I understand the outrage, and am similarly offended, I would suggest to you that the position of this "pastor" is in no way consistant with mainstream Christianity. |
I think that almost all religions are, in their root, good. When people begin to justify their life choices using religion, or look particularly close at one small part of a religion instead of grasping the larger concepts it seems as though religion is idiotic, shortsighted, and evil mysticism. When, the real overall message of most religions seems to be love, forgiveness and an open mind. This is entirely contrary to how most people who practice a religion seem to act and that is sad because religion has a lot of great insights to offer.
People will always be able to poke holes in a religious belief that seems exclusive and I know that I will be looked down upon for "playing devils advocate" (hehehe) on this topic. But, the one positive thing about religion is that it is in essence about love, forgiveness, understanding and the shortcoming is that it must be viewed by an individual with a perspective and agenda. Usually even taught to the masses by individuals with very strong and non-altruistic agendas.
btw, the guy that claimed the Japanese deserved it is a fucktard, you can't do anything but feel sorry for people that have that much hatred in their lives. The reason I use religion is as a tool to find compassion which is how I remain more or less consistently happy about life. I would never use it to explain science, but that's just because I see it as a tool to understanding human interaction and not as a way to look down on others.
COR version- mock gmilf, he claimed to think religion is not all bad.
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| (Reuters) - Afghans protesting against the burning of a Koran by an obscure U.S. pastor over-ran a United Nations compound on Friday and killed at least seven international staff in the deadliest ever attack on the UN in Afghanistan. Thousands of demonstrators flooded into the streets after Friday prayers and headed for the UN mission in usually peaceful Mazar-i-Sharif, a city slated as safe enough to be in the vanguard of a crucial security transition. The governor of Balkh province said insurgents had used the march as cover to attack the compound, in a battle that raged for several hours and raises serious questions about plans to make the city a pilot for security transfer to national forces. The UN Security Council called an emergency meeting for later on Friday to discuss the attack. The attackers overwhelmed security guards, burned parts of the compound and climbed up blast walls to topple a guard tower. Five protesters were also killed and around 20 wounded, some after trying to take weapons off the UN security guards. "The insurgents have taken advantage of the situation to attack the UN compound," said Governor Ata Mohammad Noor. He told a news conference that many in the crowd of protesters had been carrying guns. Some 27 people have already been detained over the attack, he added. DEADLIEST ATTACK The attack is the deadliest ever on the United Nations in Afghanistan, and one of the worst on the organization for years. "It is the worst incident ever for UN staff in Afghanistan. Mazar mobs were active in the 1990s, repeatedly ransacking UN offices...but so far as I remember they never actually killed anyone," a former UN staff member in Afghanistan told Reuters. The worst previous attack was an insurgent assault on a guesthouse where UN staff were staying in October 2009. Five employees were killed and nine others wounded. The two largest recent attacks on UN compounds in other countries are a 2007 bomb in Algiers that killed 17 UN staff, and a 2003 attack on the Baghdad hotel that was the UN headquarters there, which killed at least 22 people. Mazar-i-Sharif has remained relatively peaceful as the insurgency gathers force in other parts of the north, and was recently chosen as one of the first areas for a transition of security from NATO troops to Afghan forces. Christian preacher Terry Jones, who after international condemnation last year canceled a plan to burn copies of the Koran, supervised the burning of the book in front of a crowd of about 50 people at a church in Florida on March 20, according to his website. He told the British Broadcasting Corporation that he did not feel guilty over the deaths in Mazar. "We are not responsible for their actions," Jones said, when asked about the attack. |
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| Originally posted by aNYthing Religious and Idiots is a bit redundant, IMO. Pick one. |
Re: Screw tolerance, I'm not going to let Christianity be irresponsible any more!
First post edited 
I guess I could've had more success if I said I converted to scientology, but I was afraid it wouldn't be convincing 
I'd prayed for this.
Re: Screw tolerance, I'm not going to let Christianity be irresponsible any more!
I haven't read the thread but I feel compelled to address the OP.
Marcus, here are my humble 2 cents just for the sake of discussion and/or maybe to offer a new perspective:
Firstly I have to say I think it's a good thing that you have such a strong opinion on such a complex/controversial "world issue". Personally, I would never be able to have a such a distinct conviction about something of such an enormous scale and bound by so many views, so I have to commend you on that.
That said, I always seem to feel slightly confused and even a bit saddened when I hear someone speaking of "ditching tolerance". I'm a strong believer of something along the lines of "I think everyone should have the right to believe and follow whatever they want (even after they have been exposed to the facts) as long as they aren't hurting anyone". All I care about is that people ARE exposed to, in this case scientific, facts. I view tolerance as a way of the future because, the way I see it, who am I to judge? By no means am saying you have a big ego and feel the need to do so, I am just blurting out the way I would see a situation similar to yours.
Ignorance is ignorance, its context is irrelevant. Chances are the person you are speaking of would say something similarly ill-informed given the chance to, even if everyone in the world including her was an atheist. Creed is a very intimate thing. I know this because I grew up going to church twice a week through most of my childhood. I'm not religious or even "spiritual" now, but being in there for such a long time I have learned to respect it in others and sometimes just let the ignorance roll off my back when it is addressed at me. Some people just don't care enough to be exposed to something else, that's when it becomes their problem and not mine. So I come back to the "who am I to judge?" or "who am I to DICTATE what people believe in or don't believe in?" . I'm not trying to be a goody two-shoes or "promote" world peace, but we're all stuck in this world together. People should be trying to fight less and tolerate more. When it comes to things like this the fighting is endless and it just gets progressively worse.
I respect people trying to open other people's eyes or whatever the motive is, but fact is that creed is so intimate to some that it's just impossible. How does that differ you from someone trying to convert you into their creed? Just because you have scientific evidence to support your conviction, it doesn't mean your intentions are any more noble then theirs. If we can all co-exist believing in different things, why not?
edit: Fuck you.
I feel compelled to write a serious post now (I had told Moral Hazard already that it was a prank)
Maybe tomorrow morning, the jet lag is making me drowsy already, and it's not even 1 AM 
Re: Re: Screw tolerance, I'm not going to let Christianity be irresponsible any more!
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| Originally posted by wotyzoid edit: Fuck you. |
Re: Re: Re: Screw tolerance, I'm not going to let Christianity be irresponsible any more!
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| Originally posted by Lira In my defence, I edited the thread ten minutes before you posted your reply |
Re: Re: Re: Re: Screw tolerance, I'm not going to let Christianity be irresponsible any more!
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| Originally posted by wotyzoid I'm not (...) very smart |
hahaha epic troll, good work.
although its the second of april, so you broke the fucking rules.
you know what that means, it is, in fact YOU who are the fool.
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