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Originally posted by The17sss I have some great Cuban friends in Miami... some of the nicest families I've ever met. Parents always end up cooking these incredible meals for guests when they arrive. I get to hear all kinds of interesting stories of what life was like under Castro... and they never blame the embargo, they fully blame the Castro dictatorial regime.

Cuba is a much better place now under the rule of fidel...the people live better and they are much happier, except the ones that were forced out and flocked to miami bc...well, all of their wealth, houses etc got stripped away from them so people that were living in the streets can have a home to live inside as well...any cuban that resides in miami eill speak about how much they hate cuba and how bad he is but if all that resentment was to be omitted, im sure theres nothing they can say about him other than the good and better hes made cuba out to be...
Tension btwn america and cuba has softened within the last couple of yrs and flights are becoming more available but its still an on-going issue...speaking of which, NY is currently hosting a cuban festival, http://sicuba.org/en (on my phone so cant add the link), until mid-june with contemporary arts, shows, music and other stuff throughout the city- something I would def recommend people go and check out.

Yea embargo has had some effect, however, cuba has maintained throughout these decades bc they are a country full of rich & abundant resourced...if only their embargo were to expand, im sure theres no telling how far they'd get.

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Originally posted by edubbz Cuba is a much better place now under the rule of fidel...the people live better and they are much happier

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except the ones that were forced out and flocked to miami bc...well, all of their wealth, houses etc got stripped away from them

Fidel Castro: reformer.

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any cuban that resides in miami will speak about how much they hate cuba and how bad he is but if all that resentment was to be omitted, im sure theres nothing they can say about him other than the good and better hes made cuba out to be...

Huh? Well yeah, if they just ignored all the terrible things Castro has done that forced them to leave the country they love, of course there would be nothing to say. Had your property and money confiscated for no reason? Family members killed or jailed for criticizing the dictator? Just forget about that stuff and you'll realize how great he has made Cuba!

wow... crazy post.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay the beauty of simplicity is always better than empty consumerism.

Amen. Cuba is beautiful in its simplicity, but unfortunately i don't think we're far off from consumer culture invasion in Cuba fairly soon.

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Originally posted by rulzz Amen. Cuba is beautiful in its simplicity, but unfortunately i don't think we're far off from consumer culture invasion in Cuba fairly soon.

Usually people with nice(r) lifestyles from more wealthy countries are the ones making those statements about the beauty of simplicity of the (insert country) people. And not a 1 would actually change places with those Cuban peoples' situations... because they could if they wanted to, unlike those in the crappy conditions who can't escape their predicament.

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Originally posted by The17sss Fidel Castro: reformer. Huh? Well yeah, if they just ignored all the terrible things Castro has done that forced them to leave the country they love, of course there would be nothing to say. Had your property and money confiscated for no reason? Family members killed or jailed for criticizing the dictator? Just forget about that stuff and you'll realize how great he has made Cuba! wow... crazy post.

Not that their situation was any better under Batista. Actually the positions us probably best described by saying that its completely the opposite yet exactly the same.


Not that Fidel is the only one to blame for the situation down there...its been what now, about 60 years? Embargo working well i see.

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Originally posted by The17sss Fidel Castro: reformer. Huh? Well yeah, if they just ignored all the terrible things Castro has done that forced them to leave the country they love, of course there would be nothing to say. Had your property and money confiscated for no reason? Family members killed or jailed for criticizing the dictator? Just forget about that stuff and you'll realize how great he has made Cuba! wow... crazy post.

Well, that's my point. Let me rephrase it in case it was confusing; in ref to who mentioned about having cuban friends in miami and how their families blame the fidel regime and not the embargo is for those reasons you questioned...that's how they're going to see it bc of the things they endured under fidel...but what about the thousandths of homeless people that were given a home, bed to sleep on, clothes ,food provided- which I'm sure surpasses the amount of people that fled to miami- how do you think they feel?

I'd agree its not right what happened to those that had everything taken away from them but I also agree that it was for the better. This topic can be very controversial and quite emotional.

edubbz is from the motherland of the beige

MEDELLIN

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Originally posted by EarnYourKeep edubbz is from the motherland of the beige MEDELLIN

dubbed as the former Murder Capital of the World! I say it's not that bad, not bad at all...you should come with me next year to celebrate NYE's, real talk.

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch speaking of Fringe, how has this season been? i unfortunately have missed all the episodes this season due to it's move to fridays. i could dvr it, but i missed so much i decided to wait until the season ends until watching it straight.

Not bad. Kind of weird with the way they push the plausibility envelope as I get the impression that the writers are in a bit of uncharted territory, very much making it up as they go along, but very well crafted, none-the-less. It might be one of the best hopes for a contiguous relationship between two previously platonic characters, as there seems to be no shortage of psychological fallout (I won't say who - no spoilers) relating to a twist on the old love-triangle angle. Where House failed with the Cuddy-House coupling, this one might succeed.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker the Cuddy-House coupling

sounds like something you'd find a Lowes... amiright?

natural born Cuban commie right here.

this won't really change anything though.

GET THE COMMUNIST OUT OF THIS THREAD AT ONCE!

In all seriousness, Cuba sounds like a pretty cool place to visit.

c0r meet-up?

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Originally posted by Moongoose Not that Fidel is the only one to blame for the situation down there...its been what now, about 60 years? Embargo working well i see.

It's not about the embargo, it's all about the communist regime. They could do very well if they had a free(er) market without doing business with the United States. Even their cigars, once the envy of the world by far, have lost their place atop the podium being regularly outdone by the likes of Nicaragua, thanks to the Fidel regime's command-and-control policies over every facet of the industry. It also doesn't help that a lot of the great cigar maker families and rollers leave and take their talent with them, again thanks to Fidel (i.e. the Padrons and Garcias).

Again, not saying its great, but still better off than under Batista where the population was enslaved by US interests and ruled ruthlessly by an American backed dictator.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Again, not saying its great, but still better off than under Batista where the population was enslaved by US interests and ruled ruthlessly by an American backed dictator.

This comparison is like asking someone if they'd rather have AIDS or Herpes. There are no rationalizations to be made in favor of Fidel Castro and what he's done to that island. And I know it's the immediate knee-jerk reaction for anti-American Americans like yourself to blame America first, or purport that we have some role in the misery of every other country's conditions, but this just doesn't pass the smell test.

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Originally posted by The17sss It's not about the embargo, it's all about the communist regime. They could do very well if they had a free(er) market without doing business with the United States. Even their cigars, once the envy of the world by far, have lost their place atop the podium being regularly outdone by the likes of Nicaragua, thanks to the Fidel regime's command-and-control policies over every facet of the industry. It also doesn't help that a lot of the great cigar maker families and rollers leave and take their talent with them, again thanks to Fidel (i.e. the Padrons and Garcias).

Im not disagreeing with you...well i am, but only a little bit. While the ineptness of the regime is bringing the country down, the embargo has arguably made the situation much worse, then what it would have been had they been allowed to trade with one of the wealthiest and most prosperous nations on the planet.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Im not disagreeing with you...well i am, but only a little bit. While the ineptness of the regime is bringing the country down, the embargo has arguably made the situation much worse, then what it would have been had they been allowed to trade with one of the wealthiest and most prosperous nations on the planet.

ok... yeah you can definitely make that argument. i hope that whatever is in place in the near future doesn't involve Raul or any of Castro's other minions. I'd like to see that country do well.

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Originally posted by The17sss or purport that we have some role in the misery of every other country's conditions, but this just doesn't pass the smell test.

all I'm going to say is, Ernesto 'Che' Guevara.

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Originally posted by The17sss This comparison is like asking someone if they'd rather have AIDS or Herpes. There are no rationalizations to be made in favor of Fidel Castro and what he's done to that island. And I know it's the immediate knee-jerk reaction for anti-American Americans like yourself to blame America first, or purport that we have some role in the misery of every other country's conditions, but this just doesn't pass the smell test.

I don't say that though, and in the case of Cuba it is very clear what role the US had.

Here is the deal Kevin, people rose up in popular revolt, so obviously something was super shit there for them to do that. Happy groups of people don't throw away their lively hoods to radically change their own situation, they don't need to. Since that hasn't happened in Cuba, you have to surmise that conditions actually might be a bit better there now.

The only reason we have such a draconian policy on Cuba is because of the fucking Cuban-American vote in Florida, which is a major swing state in presidential elections. Had they had an opportunity to trade with their closest trading partner, who happens to be an economic super power, then maybe they would be better off.

Also, I am not an anti-American American. I am an anti-stupidity American, and since most of the country is fucking stupid now it might be hard for someone like you to figure out the difference.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Here is the deal Kevin, people rose up in popular revolt, so obviously something was super shit there for them to do that. Happy groups of people don't throw away their lively hoods to radically change their own situation, they don't need to. Since that hasn't happened in Cuba, you have to surmise that conditions actually might be a bit better there now. The only reason we have such a draconian policy on Cuba is because of the fucking Cuban-American vote in Florida, which is a major swing state in presidential elections. Had they had an opportunity to trade with their closest trading partner, who happens to be an economic super power, then maybe they would be better off.

Yeah I'm well aware of the pre-Castro revolts due to oppressive conditions. It's just hard to say "at least it's better now" when "better" is such a relative term in this case; choosing between the better of two militant dictators who crush opposition isn't a great option.

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Also, I am not an anti-American American. I am an anti-stupidity American, and since most of the country is fucking stupid now it might be hard for someone like you to figure out the difference.

Always entertaining when a guy who dropped out of high school and has never produced anything of substance for society has the stones to lambaste most of the country for being stupid.

It's pronounced "Amurrka"

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Originally posted by The17sss Always entertaining when a guy who dropped out of high school and has never produced anything of substance for society has the stones to lambaste most of the country for being stupid.

I didn't drop out, I just never graduated. In fact I had a really good attendance record.

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Originally posted by The17sss Usually people with nice(r) lifestyles from more wealthy countries are the ones making those statements about the beauty of simplicity of the (insert country) people. And not a 1 would actually change places with those Cuban peoples' situations... because they could if they wanted to, unlike those in the crappy conditions who can't escape their predicament.

i lived in 90s Russia which was somewhat like Cuba, i would immigrate to Cuba without a single penny if i was given a chance. Would you ?

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Originally posted by rulzz i lived in 90s Russia which was somewhat like Cuba, i would immigrate to Cuba without a single penny if i was given a chance. Would you ?

Just as soon as the U.S. plunges into another great depression that will make the first one look like Black Monday,'87, in comparison.





I'm sure he'll come around.

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