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- Lie, it's funny but it works i've heard many stories about it and they worked.

- Give them something cool, what is going to attract people isn't your music nor your cool name because they haven't heard about it but if you look like this on the flyer:

- XXXXX [Trance Energy]
- XXXXX [Armada Records]
- XXXXX [BBC Radio 1]

People will be interested and again it doesn't need to be true, or just be partially true.

For example you can have a track in any of the hundred labels under the Armada umbrella, but chances that people know that label is 0 unless they're really into trance, however Armada music is one of the biggest Edm labels, hence people have heard about it at some point, so you are making it look better.

About hosting a successful show on a big radio station you can put it if you did a guestmix there, you got a track played... believe me i see a lot of people doing both things.

And when the promoter thinks that you are the best you'll get the gig, i usually say that i don't charge on the first one (just a few drinks + will) because this means zero disadvantages for them, worst thing is that you can empty the club with your shit music but after or your lies it's something that he can't imagine xD.

At the moment i have left the mainstream scene because i was having mediocre gigs of 500 ppl with no soul and playing shit music, i just play in some random places or raves but what i am going to do next term that i am at Milan is this:

- Fill a C.V with or your feats and achievements , if you doubt if something is impressive or not, just make it some impressive.

- Make some copies 20 for example

- Burn your best kinda commercial set in a cd.

- Add wicked crowd noises to it

- Make copies of it and attach it to your C.Vs

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos - Lie, it's funny but it works i've heard many stories about it and they worked. - Give them something cool, what is going to attract people isn't your music nor your cool name because they haven't heard about it but if you look like this on the flyer: - XXXXX [Trance Energy] - XXXXX [Armada Records] - XXXXX [BBC Radio 1] People will be interested and again it doesn't need to be true, or just be partially true. For example you can have a track in any of the hundred labels under the Armada umbrella, but chances that people know that label is 0 unless they're really into trance, however Armada music is one of the biggest Edm labels, hence people have heard about it at some point, so you are making it look better. About hosting a successful show on a big radio station you can put it if you did a guestmix there, you got a track played... believe me i see a lot of people doing both things. And when the promoter thinks that you are the best you'll get the gig, i usually say that i don't charge on the first one (just a few drinks + will) because this means zero disadvantages for them, worst thing is that you can empty the club with your shit music but after or your lies it's something that he can't imagine xD. At the moment i have left the mainstream scene because i was having mediocre gigs of 500 ppl with no soul and playing shit music, i just play in some random places or raves but what i am going to do next term that i am at Milan is this: - Fill a C.V with or your feats and achievements , if you doubt if something is impressive or not, just make it some impressive. - Make some copies 20 for example - Burn your best kinda commercial set in a cd. - Add wicked crowd noises to it - Make copies of it and attach it to your C.Vs

Society is ran by coercive wording... Its about 50/50 lie/truth, but the winning ratio is up to your ability to interpret it in certain ways, or present the information to someone who will interpret it by your own design.

Example of distorted truth:

Reality:

Hey im new, never did a gig, no one will hire me because not only have i never had a gig, i infact suck , but i want a gig so u wanna hire me?

Promoter's response :

Ugh F**** no, who r u again? u suck.

Reality enhanced by coercive wording:

-#300 on armada records ( #300 of what?.. Not specifying belonging to any particular list so the lie is good to go)
-Partiality in so and so's "festival/event" (just a bent word for "participating in, or being a part of somehow". Sounds kind of official
Played here "some random name that sounds authentic". Once again, not including any specifics. All your doing is presenting a huge LACK of information. it's up to the promoter to be inquisitive.


Promoter's response:

Omg #300!!!!!!!!
Partiality in some1's event OMFG
Played fancy gigs b4 OMFG NO WAY<>

"im so hiring this guy!!" Those other guys suck. They are the 2nd banana in comparison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'd say, in this case "lying" is more like. "having a more idealistic standpoint" than a realistic standpoint, None the less... both can constitute a moral self evaluated opinion.

Of course in the event that i make a website ill make sure i do a nice job with wordplay. Anyone know a good free website engine??? I can;t make a site. Rofl.


Something where you go to it, and a nice trance peak is going, that i can probably make on fl studio, therefor allowing me to claim the right to that track, and further making some promoter assume i create epic music , even tho it will be a 30 second loop* Ill emphasize how the loop was created by myself. And say "look a sample of his latest track" and its nice and flashy with a slideshow of myself "in action". lol.

Im gonna photoshop my face onto some armin van buren photoshoots, when hes @ those events that are really crowded. ( nah thats crossing the line) but you get the point.

I figure, a pic like this would do for some easy editing. Since the face is quite small, and distorted.




ROFL.
Of course im joking., I just think it's funny to consider.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos - Fill a C.V with or your feats and achievements , if you doubt if something is impressive or not, just make it some impressive. - Make copies of it and attach it to your C.Vs

For those in the US who never heard of a C.V., no it's not Traktor or Serato CONTROL VINYL, it's a resume.

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Originally posted by trancearoundwld I figure, a pic like this would do for some easy editing. Since the face is quite small, and distorted. ROFL. Of course im joking., I just think it's funny to consider.

Oh, I've seen it done!

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Originally posted by DjWoody Oh, I've seen it done!

Whats wrong with using tricks of the trade

All you have to do is write @ the bottom of the page

in VERY small font..

*Disclaimer: "This entire website layout is designed by someone else , and it is merely a concept design, it does not in any way reflect the reality of the person/and or business being advertised"

People are all wannabe lawyers now adays though. They either wanna be an actor, a dj, a lawyer, a doc, or a cop. If theres any POSSIBLE way they can keep you from sleeping at night, they will go for it. The dogs like chewing softer meat, and seeing a fake website when they are having a bad day, Might be their call to action, so maybe they can have one win. To satisfy their lives of mediocrity, stupidity and FAIL. Everyone's CRAVING a win.

I dont wanna get a lawsuit for false advertising. lol.

Who would be the first to go after my ass?

The competition!

Lying is by FAR the most probable and likely scenario for getting a gig though.

This thread is a whole load of shit. Sorry had to be said.

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Originally posted by n3lly This thread is a whole load of shit. Sorry had to be said.

Just make sure that this section doesn't become the DJforums.com general section.

It is your job. NO, duty as the section mod to protect and serve us.

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Originally posted by n3lly This thread is a whole load of shit. Sorry had to be said.

Yes, and your comment has contributed alot... Well no. No it hasn't!!

Anyways, i think we can conlcude that if you want to get gigs, you need to stretch your importance far from reality in the eyes of the person who would book you, by making a REALLY epic website. With some good photoshop work.

Unless you can add something of value...

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Originally posted by trancearoundwld Yes, and your comment has contributed alot... Well no. No it hasn't!! Anyways, i think we can conlcude that if you want to get gigs, you need to stretch your importance far from reality in the eyes of the person who would book you, by making a REALLY epic website. With some good photoshop work. Unless you can add something of value...

I'm so hoping you are not being serious...

If you're good, you'll get gigs. If you're not, you won't. Marketing is an important part of it, but lying and cheating will only bite you in the ass.

Where i live, it's just a matter of networking and getting your name out there.

Overdoing it a little can work, but be careful not to go too far.

Be yourself, be nice, and i'm sure a lot of doors will open. Remember that promoters and club-owners also need someone they can trust and build a relationship with. Being an arrogant big-mouth son-of-a-b*tch will not add to that.

Some things that might help:

- Have a demo (make it good - really, really, REALLY good)
- Have references (where have you played before, if any)
- Be known around the club scene (if a lot of people know you, you're more likely to attract a crowd)
- Be honest
- Have a website of some sorts (Facebook, Myspace, whatever...)
- Have some business cards, and write your contact details on EVERYTHING you leave behind (no use handing over a demo if it only says 'DJ Blabla - demo')

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Originally posted by djxtension I'm so hoping you are not being serious... If you're good, you'll get gigs. If you're not, you won't. Marketing is an important part of it, but lying and cheating will only bite you in the ass. Where i live, it's just a matter of networking and getting your name out there. Overdoing it a little can work, but be careful not to go too far. Be yourself, be nice, and i'm sure a lot of doors will open. Remember that promoters and club-owners also need someone they can trust and build a relationship with. Being an arrogant big-mouth son-of-a-b*tch will not add to that. Some things that might help: - Have a demo (make it good - really, really, REALLY good) - Have references (where have you played before, if any) - Be known around the club scene (if a lot of people know you, you're more likely to attract a crowd) - Be honest - Have a website of some sorts (Facebook, Myspace, whatever...) - Have some business cards, and write your contact details on EVERYTHING you leave behind (no use handing over a demo if it only says 'DJ Blabla - demo')

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Be yourself, be nice, and i'm sure a lot of doors will open. Remember that promoters and club-owners also need someone they can trust and build a relationship with. Being an arrogant big-mouth son-of-a-b*tch will not add to that.

Well, Now im hoping that you're not serious. Do you know the basics of how 90% of people are when it comes to dealing with people who they may see as beneficial if they are nice?

Kindness is deceptive. If you have something of desire, people will treat you a lot nicer, it will be VERY f*** obvious, if your smart enough to notice, and if your not a moron, you'll realize that it isnt YOU they like. But your object of desire. They'll be kind, as a strategy against you to gain your trust, and when the right oppurtunity comes along... Undercut you. Fade you out. Than treat you like a worm. You've obviously never been in a position of power in your life , as is clearly shown by the way you reply like a c*nt to this thread. People with some sort of benefit to offer have to deal with the pathetic onslaught of the classic trojan horse types.



I watched a show, that showed all of these gorgeous women, who had a ton of male attention all of their lives and they were cocky as F*** and complete bitches.. and the one time they didn't wear makeup, no guys were paying attention to them, because , the guys liked their vanity , and not them. When they realized this they got butthurt and cried, they found out that they weren't actually cool, and their entire lives were reduced to a makeup cabinet. Just like when you have some kind of power for someone to vampiristically prey on., You better realize how people are.

You obviously have no experience in dealing with people.

You'll get no where in any business pursuit if you stop to cater to every ass kissing F*** head, and good promoters realize that and only deal with someone who is of equal benefit to them right off the bat, so someone starting out, is S.O.L . To any promoter with..... HALF A F***** BRAIN.

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Originally posted by trancearoundwld Well, Now im hoping that you're not serious. Do you know the basics of how 90% of people are when it comes to dealing with people who they may see as beneficial if they are nice? Kindness is deceptive. If you have something of desire, people will treat you a lot nicer, it will be VERY f*** obvious, if your smart enough to notice, and if your not a moron, you'll realize that it isnt YOU they like. But your object of desire. They'll be kind, as a strategy against you to gain your trust, and when the right oppurtunity comes along... Undercut you. Fade you out. Than treat you like a worm. You've obviously never been in a position of power in your life , as is clearly shown by the way you reply like a c*nt to this thread. People with some sort of benefit to offer have to deal with the pathetic onslaught of the classic trojan horse types. I watched a show, that showed all of these gorgeous women, who had a ton of male attention all of their lives and they were cocky as F*** and complete bitches.. and the one time they didn't wear makeup, no guys were paying attention to them, because , the guys liked their vanity , and not them. When they realized this they got butthurt and cried, they found out that they weren't actually cool, and their entire lives were reduced to a makeup cabinet. Just like when you have some kind of power for someone to vampiristically prey on., You better realize how people are. You obviously have no experience in dealing with people. You'll get no where in any business pursuit if you stop to cater to every ass kissing F*** head, and good promoters realize that and only deal with someone who is of equal benefit to them right off the bat, so someone starting out, is S.O.L . To any promoter with..... HALF A F***** BRAIN.

So then why is it so hard to get gigs if people will treat you nicer if they want something from you?

I have been a professional dj for over 8 years, and - without being arrogant - i know how to deal with people.

I've also been the 'head-dj' for over 4 years, being in charge of all dj's that were booked. But hey, you just make the assumption that i don't know what i'm talking about.

I've met a whole lot of club owners, promoters, etc... in my life, and most them will appreciate a nice and decent guy, instead of someone acting like he's the next Armin van Buuren.

Nice to see you use a tv-show to base your view on 'reality'...

YOU are the one selling your 'services', so if YOU are nice, chances are likelier that they will hire you to play their next event/clubnight/whatever.

You can be a nice guy without getting taken advantage of, or even abused for that matter.

Yes, some (or most, whatever you want) promoters will take advantage of the kids who are too nice and accept $20 for a gig.

Apparently you think the general message of my posts is to just do whatever the promoters want you to do. You don't seem to understand the difference between being 'nice' and 'kissing ass'.

Anyway, good luck finding a gig.

(And oh yeah: just like all people, i'm one of those lying backstabbing sons of bitches you keep talking about, so please don't take anything i say for granted. I might be trying to screw you over. )

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Originally posted by djxtension So then why is it so hard to get gigs if people will treat you nicer if they want something from you? I have been a professional dj for over 8 years, and - without being arrogant - i know how to deal with people. I've also been the 'head-dj' for over 4 years, being in charge of all dj's that were booked. But hey, you just make the assumption that i don't know what i'm talking about. I've met a whole lot of club owners, promoters, etc... in my life, and most them will appreciate a nice and decent guy, instead of someone acting like he's the next Armin van Buuren. Nice to see you use a tv-show to base your view on 'reality'... YOU are the one selling your 'services', so if YOU are nice, chances are likelier that they will hire you to play their next event/clubnight/whatever. You can be a nice guy without getting taken advantage of, or even abused for that matter. Yes, some (or most, whatever you want) promoters will take advantage of the kids who are too nice and accept $20 for a gig. Apparently you think the general message of my posts is to just do whatever the promoters want you to do. You don't seem to understand the difference between being 'nice' and 'kissing ass'. Anyway, good luck finding a gig. (And oh yeah: just like all people, i'm one of those lying backstabbing sons of bitches you keep talking about, so please don't take anything i say for granted. I might be trying to screw you over. )

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So then why is it so hard to get gigs if people will treat you nicer if they want something from you?

It's hard because your the one trying to sell yourself, not the promoter.

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Nice to see you use a tv-show to base your view on 'reality'...

The legend of troy is actually 2000+ years old. Prior to the invention of the television.

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Apparently you think the general message of my posts is to just do whatever the promoters want you to do. You don't seem to understand the difference between being 'nice' and 'kissing ass'.

The promoters are wise to people who are "being nice" and "kissing ass" The two are the same thing. You can't tell, thats the point. You missed my point. Being "nice" does not constitute you as useful because you could just be an ass kisser for all they know. But I guess being one of those kids offering to do it for 20$ would make you useful to them.

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I've met a whole lot of club owners, promoters, etc... in my life,

You've met alot of them, and..How many did you WORK WITH ?

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I've also been the 'head-dj' for over 4 years, being in charge of all dj's that were booked. But hey, you just make the assumption that i don't know what i'm talking about.

Really where? The "head dj" of which "venue"? Proof or GTFO. Being the "head" dj and all would make sense because your being a real prick. Wouldn't wanna shaft ya incase your someone important. But oh. Your just a troll. This forum is for noobs to learn, and promoters to rant about their events. Since you have apparantly made it as a DJ, what use is this site to you ? You know EVERYTHING Right? what would make you want to click "dj's and gigs".

You claimed this thread is useless, yet you contributed no info that was not already stated before by the others.

On topic, it really depends on what crowd you're aiming for. Assuming trance, well, depending on your area, it could be very difficult.
Don't expect to be the next Tiesto or Armin van Buuren.
You'll probably have to start off playing local parties.
See if there are any local clubs that might be in need of a DJ.
Other than that, I can't really give any more advice.

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Originally posted by trancearoundwld It's hard because your the one trying to sell yourself, not the promoter. The legend of troy is actually 2000+ years old. Prior to the invention of the television. The promoters are wise to people who are "being nice" and "kissing ass" The two are the same thing. You can't tell, thats the point. You missed my point. Being "nice" does not constitute you as useful because you could just be an ass kisser for all they know. But I guess being one of those kids offering to do it for 20$ would make you useful to them. You've met alot of them, and..How many did you WORK WITH ? Really where? The "head dj" of which "venue"? Proof or GTFO. Being the "head" dj and all would make sense because your being a real prick. Wouldn't wanna shaft ya incase your someone important. But oh. Your just a troll. This forum is for noobs to learn, and promoters to rant about their events. Since you have apparantly made it as a DJ, what use is this site to you ? You know EVERYTHING Right? what would make you want to click "dj's and gigs". You claimed this thread is useless, yet you contributed no info that was not already stated before by the others.

Talking out of your ass, you are.

90% of this thread is the equivalent of nails being dragged down a chalkboard. Another 5% of it is akin to a yard rake being dragged over concrete.

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Originally posted by trancearoundwld It's hard because your the one trying to sell yourself, not the promoter. The legend of troy is actually 2000+ years old. Prior to the invention of the television. The promoters are wise to people who are "being nice" and "kissing ass" The two are the same thing. You can't tell, thats the point. You missed my point. Being "nice" does not constitute you as useful because you could just be an ass kisser for all they know. But I guess being one of those kids offering to do it for 20$ would make you useful to them. You've met alot of them, and..How many did you WORK WITH ? Really where? The "head dj" of which "venue"? Proof or GTFO. Being the "head" dj and all would make sense because your being a real prick. Wouldn't wanna shaft ya incase your someone important. But oh. Your just a troll. This forum is for noobs to learn, and promoters to rant about their events. Since you have apparantly made it as a DJ, what use is this site to you ? You know EVERYTHING Right? what would make you want to click "dj's and gigs". You claimed this thread is useless, yet you contributed no info that was not already stated before by the others.

Obviously, you are quite full of yourself and your own theories about how the scene works.

You clearly don't want to be a 'nice' guy, and that's fine.

You ask a question, i reply to the best of my knowledge about what i've learned in all those years, and yet you tell me i'm wrong.

But it seems you already have the theory on how to get gigs all worked out. I suggest you go try them out, and then come back to tell us how they worked for ya.

Have a nice day.

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Originally posted by djxtension Obviously, you are quite full of yourself and your own theories about how the scene works. You clearly don't want to be a 'nice' guy, and that's fine. You ask a question, i reply to the best of my knowledge about what i've learned in all those years, and yet you tell me i'm wrong. But it seems you already have the theory on how to get gigs all worked out. I suggest you go try them out, and then come back to tell us how they worked for ya. Have a nice day.

Proof your a big time dj, or GTFO.

You dodged my reply, and i will do the same.

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Originally posted by trancearoundwld Proof your a big time dj, or GTFO. You dodged my reply, and i will do the same.

Very rarely do I come across a twat on this forum. Actually, i refrain as often as possible from using profanities. However I like to bend the rules every now and again to get a point across.

You sir, are indeed one of those rare twats.

I'll tell you why. You asked your newb question fair enough. You got replies. You didn't like some of them. All of sudden you started lecturing people who were simply trying to be nice and share their opinion.
I for one was rude, no doubt about that and i suppose I should apologise, sorry. I have a sneaky suspicion you might have confused djxtension for me as I can't see where he was acting like a 'cunt' in any of his responses to your question. So in all honesty I think you should take your tone down a notch or two when all he was trying to do was share his experience.

No one on here has to prove themselves to anyone. If he's (djxtension) been head dj at a club I believe him and so does every other regular member on here.

You don't just prance onto a forum, ask a question looking for opinions then slander whoever tries to share their experiences with you. Especially a member who's nearly been a part of this community for a decade. Back the fuck off.

I'm going to leave it at that. And for the fun of it, staying on topic. I'll give you 2 pieces of advice.

Firstly, Bring lots of people to your night/venue that you play at. The more friends you have that will support you the more gigs you get as the promoter will make money off them from the door charge.

Secondly, Produce. More and more dj's are playing out these days thanks to laptops as mentioned before hand. Producing your own stuff is a great way of promoting yourself first but also it's a lot easier to create a following if you have your own music up on the web. Most people that get a regular slot here in Dublin produce, the ones that don't know people/friends who give them gigs on the nights they run.

That is all.
I think you've got all the advice you wanted from this thread so let's leave the hand bags at home from now on and keep things constructive.

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Originally posted by trancearoundwld Proof your a big time dj, or GTFO. You dodged my reply, and i will do the same.

I have never claimed to be a 'big time DJ'.

All i said was that i've been at it for a few years, and think i have a fairly decent understanding of what it takes to get gigs.

If you don't believe me, that's fine. But there is no need for your offensive tone.

Take or leave my advice, i couldn't care less about what you do with it.

Now, for one last time: if you want to get gigs, prepare to put your ego aside and start small.

I will end my post with a quote from dear old Nietzsche:

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"Not to he who is offensive to us are we most unfair, but to he who does not concern us at all."

this thread is out of control

lol guys, its just another palm/clay alt.

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd this thread is out of control

Never a truer word spoken, I'm just surprised you're not behind it all.. lolorama..

I joke.

I'm hovering over the close thread button. For now I'll leave it open. Although i'm off to a festival over the weekend so no doubt this could go on for a while.

about producing i don't see how it helps you in the low end of the gigs pyramid, i mean, it's obvious that 90% of the big djs are also producers and i don't want to discuss that it's obvious that producing is the best way to spread yourself but:

In a medium size club who actually cares if the track that sounds is yours? Unless you do the trick of picking the micro and saying "hello guyz, what's up? This is my brand new track, make some noise!!" or any other mc cookie cutter sentence , and honestly your track is probably worse than the other stuff you've played, what i see as an option is being a die hard producer and announce yourself as a live act so people come to see you specifically.

I am a producer and never got a gig thanks to this, i am not that good but anyways i don't see it happening in the future

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos about producing i don't see how it helps you in the low end of the gigs pyramid, i mean, it's obvious that 90% of the big djs are also producers and i don't want to discuss that it's obvious that producing is the best way to spread yourself but: In a medium size club who actually cares if the track that sounds is yours? Unless you do the trick of picking the micro and saying "hello guyz, what's up? This is my brand new track, make some noise!!" or any other mc cookie cutter sentence , and honestly your track is probably worse than the other stuff you've played, what i see as an option is being a die hard producer and announce yourself as a live act so people come to see you specifically. I am a producer and never got a gig thanks to this, i am not that good but anyways i don't see it happening in the future

Luck is something that has got a lot to do with it. Fedde Le Grand was quite a good dj (and producer), but his career really boosted after 'Put Your Hands Up 4 Detroit' got picked up by a lot of big-name dj's.

It's not necessarily the tracks that make you famous, it's about other dj's playing your track and hyping your name.

But you have a valid point: producing may help 'enlarge' your name, but it most likely won't create one, unless you already are somewhat known in the scene.

i understand that but, for the small promoter does it make a difference if you produce or not?

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