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Originally posted by The17sss If you want to play that game, I can post links to plenty of counter studies by reputable scientists and organizations that expose the flaws in NASA's Goddard Institute's computer models as well as the IPCC bullshit predictions that never came true. You've bought into the religion and nothing can shake your faith, no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary. So I'm not even going to waste my time debating this with the True Believers of the Church of Warming. If you have an open mind, which doesn't seem likely in this case, you'll do yourself a favor and at least read this. It's from Climate Scientist and former devotee of the Church David Evans, who just came clean and talked about all the lies and deception happening on the inside, and how the Warmies have basically been had. He acknowledges that the science is not merely in doubt, but false. And he explains why. http://opinion.financialpost.com/20...models-go-cold/

If we're going to play the article game, check out this article from Tim Lambert, where he points out the problems with Evans' position on C02 levels.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/200..._science_16.php

Note the study from the Institute of Chemistry in Germany on the effects of cooling in the stratosphere due to increased C02 levels.

http://www.atmosphere.mpg.de/enid/20c.html

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Cooling due to the greenhouse effect The second effect is more complicated. Greenhouse gases (CO2, O3, CFC) absorb infra-red radiation from the surface of the Earth and trap the heat in the troposphere. If this absorption is really strong, the greenhouse gas blocks most of the outgoing infra-red radiation close to the Earth's surface. This means that only a small amount of outgoing infra-red radiation reaches carbon dioxide in the upper troposphere and the lower stratosphere. On the other hand, carbon dioxide emits heat radiation, which is lost from the stratosphere into space. In the stratosphere, this emission of heat becomes larger than the energy received from below by absorption and, as a result, there is a net energy loss from the stratosphere and a resulting cooling. Other greenhouse gases, such as ozone and chlorofluorocarbons (CFC's), have a weaker impact because their concentrations in the troposphere are smaller. They do not entirely block the whole radiation in their wavelength regime so some reaches the stratosphere where it can be absorbed and, as a consequence, heat this region of the atmosphere.

Cooling in the stratosphere is creating a higher chance of a hole in the Arctic ozone.

I am completely in favor of Global Warming, anything to make Canadian Winters more bearable.

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Originally posted by Meat187

Global Warming aside, you really do have a nice way with cat pictures.

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Originally posted by Ygrene Global Warming aside, you really do have a nice way with cat pictures.

I shall name this incredibly rad one Ygrenecat:

Anybody else strokin' a bone right now?

And did this video make you guys miss Theresa already too?

I love damaging the only home we have just to make a quick buck. I don't care about the future, I just care about my money. Right now. Who cares anyways right? We're all going to be raptured out of here soon so pillage and plunder mother Earth, I don't give a damn.

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Originally posted by enydo I love damaging the only home we have just to make a quick buck. I don't care about the future, I just care about my money. Right now. Who cares anyways right? We're all going to be raptured out of here soon so pillage and plunder mother Earth, I don't give a damn.

I know that's supposed to be irony, but I actually agree.

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Originally posted by enydo I love damaging the only home we have just to make a quick buck. I don't care about the future, I just care about my money. Right now. Who cares anyways right? We're all going to be raptured out of here soon so pillage and plunder mother Earth, I don't give a damn.

I love how its either one extreme or the other lol. Thats what pisses me off about the global warming hippies. We aren't "destroying" mother earth. im pretty sure that in a couple of hundred of thousand years or so we will be extinct anyways, regardless of how much we pollute or abuse our planet.

Nature always has its ways of dealing with things and turns out that life will prevail in even the most damning of situations. If the K-T extinction didn't kill everything off, i would hardly be worried about global warming. Of course if by mother earth you mean humanity, i think global warming is probably one of the least concerns for the human race.

Some far more pressing issues:

-Overpopulation

-Resistance of natural selection of phenotypic means

-Dependency on specific niches and nutrition


The simplest organisms are usually those who end up prevailing in the game of life. The facts are that we will probably get to the point where we become completely over specialized that the smallest alteration in habitat would probably lead to our extinction.


So we need to be clear here; is this about humanity? the earth? or other organisms inhabiting this planet with us?

If it is any of those options, global warming is really a moot point in the grand scheme of things.

None the less, i do think that we should try to attain a good quality of life for ourselves and the next few generations after us, use moderation in consuming resources and strive for renewables and avoid accentuating carbon emissions.

If the question is why we should do this after all i wrote; It's because the more we change our environment, no matter how minute the change, it will eventually become something that will be a hindrance for us as a species to adapt to. Keep lining those those environmental changes up on the plate and we continue to attribute more towards our dependence specificity.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit I love how its either one extreme or the other lol. Thats what pisses me off about the global warming hippies. We aren't "destroying" mother earth. im pretty sure that in a couple of hundred of thousand years or so we will be extinct anyways, regardless of how much we pollute or abuse our planet. Nature always has its ways of dealing with things and turns out that life will prevail in even the most damning of situations. If the K-T extinction didn't kill everything off, i would hardly be worried about global warming. Of course if by mother earth you mean humanity, i think global warming is probably one of the least concerns for the human race. Some far more pressing issues: -Overpopulation -Resistance of natural selection of phenotypic means -Dependency on specific niches and nutrition The simplest organisms are usually those who end up prevailing in the game of life. The facts are that we will probably get to the point where we become completely over specialized that the smallest alteration in habitat would probably lead to our extinction. So we need to be clear here; is this about humanity? the earth? or other organisms inhabiting this planet with us? If it is any of those options, global warming is really a moot point in the grand scheme of things. None the less, i do think that we should try to attain a good quality of life for ourselves and the next few generations after us, use moderation in consuming resources and strive for renewables and avoid accentuating carbon emissions. If the question is why we should do this after all i wrote; It's because the more we change our environment, no matter how minute the change, it will eventually become something that will be a hindrance for us as a species to adapt to. Keep lining those those environmental changes up on the plate and we continue to attribute more towards our dependence specificity.

We share the earth with thousands of species..... so it does matter. Humans are not the only important thing in this world.

I love George Carlin and all but it's still kind of retarded that certain Asian countries still kill tigers for their coats and their massive tiger dicks which get used as aphrodisiacs (0 scientific basis for that I might add).

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit So we need to be clear here; is this about humanity? the earth? or other organisms inhabiting this planet with us?

I wasn't talking about global warming. I more meant that humans are greedy consuming assholes and as our population continues to boom, and exponentially increase, we're just going to need more. and more. and more.

I'm not some environmental hippy, I just really would like to see people care a little bit more about our planet and environment in general as it's really all we've got. We came from it and depend on it; for now at least. Plus, Earth and all the wildlife that lives here is fucking awesome, and a lot of people don't seem to appreciate that, or even really care.

Lisa needs braces.

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Originally posted by Alex I love George Carlin and all but it's still kind of retarded that certain Asian countries still kill tigers for their coats and their massive tiger dicks which get used as aphrodisiacs (0 scientific basis for that I might add).

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At the start, let me say I am not an animal rights activist. I'm not comfortable with absolutes. And I know that every time something eats, something else dies. I recognize the Earth is a little more than a revolving buffet with weather. So, the idea of eating animals is fine with me, but is it really necessary to make things out of the parts we don't eat? We're the only species that does this. You never see a mongoose with snakeskin shoes. Or a lion walkin' around in a wildebeest hat. An how often do you run into plankton that have phytoplankton luggage? And I think people have a lot of nerve locking up a tiger and charging four dollars to let a few thousand worthless humans shuffle past him every day. What a shitty thing to do. Humans must easily be the meanest species on Earth. Probably the only reason there are any tigers left is because they don't taste good.

George Carlin

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Originally posted by Domesticated Lisa needs braces.

Lisa it's your birth~day ♪♫

Happy birthday Lisa~♭♩♪

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Originally posted by Happymess George Carlin

COOL!

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit before everyone jumps on the global warming oh noez bandwagon just take a look at this graph.

yeah that's the way. post a picture that doesn't provide a single T for reference purposes. how many thousands or millions of years do those spikes represent exactly?

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit while i do agree that obvioulsy carbon emissions propagated by humans have had a slight effect on climate, its honestly nothing compared to the grand scheme of things.

As above. climate change isn't so much about temperatures as it is rate of change. which is well outside natural variability according to any of the literature you care to source.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit remember that over 99.9% of all species that have ever existed are now extinct. Anyone who thinks that simply "our role" in inducing carbon emissions being the sole cause of climate change is delusional and uneducated.

nice strawman. no climate scientist thinks greenhouse gases are the only contributor to climate.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit We also know that the IPCC has a history of embellishing the facts with regards to climate change.

the IPCC collects data from real studies and tries to dumb them down so idiots like you and i can undertand them. sometimes errors are made. but for the most part, climate science predictions are very conservative.

i'm always amazed when intelligent people don't believe in climate change. confuses the shit out of me, really.

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Originally posted by Lews i'm always amazed when intelligent people don't believe in climate change. confuses the shit out of me, really.

its because clowns like kev confuse science with the green movement, so their natural tendency is to oppose it.

there isn't a single scientific organisation in the world that disputes the consensus. the last was the american association of petroleum geologists (gee, i wonder why they took so long?). but even they retracted their denialist stance in 07.

even the industries that invested so much money in junk science to deny AGW are no longer denying the veracity of the science supporting it. it is beyond hilarious (and not a little sad) seeing people like kev are still marching to that beat

have any of you noticed that the term "global warming" is slowly being dropped for the more catch-all "climate change" term?

lol

it's a fucking scam, and we're actually entering a colder period



http://www.nso.edu/press/SolarActivityDrop.html

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fe...other_name.html

have any of you noticed how stupid and uninformed some people are?

Unfortunately, yes =/

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It is unfortunate that the global warming/cooling studies have become so politically polarizing.

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