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If you watch the film Dogma, you'll see the truth.

Yes i did watch dogma and i saw a film trying to make a religious statement and failing miserably (i still enjoyed it's tongue in cheek humour though)

I've never taken hollywood movies to seriously though mate and i'd suggest the same for you

as a reaction on some post before me...

free will is a very complex system of chemicals in your brain, which is unique for every person because every brain is different, in my opinion.

God is an explanation for unexplanationable things, like endless universe, time, and such things. I can't understand these things, no one can (if someone thinks he does, i'd be more than curious to hear!), but it's too simple in my opinion to just say that there was a god who did that. Evolution is proved, and when there are rocks found that are 4,5 billion years old, I can't believe some ramshackle(sorry, that was the only word i could think of...) story about the earth to be 6000 years old, and that's even the most wide explanation of the time overlapping in the bible.

I think the domination of men, and mammals in common, has to do with the meteor hitting the earth 65 million years ago. If that didn't happen, mammals would only maybe be dominant in the polar area's. Except for the bodytemparature, reptiles are superiour creatures.
Let's say there would be a little flying saucer visiting earth, wanting to observe the most influental creature, they'd study the insect (arthropods). Men is only the dominant specie in a certain way. We don't see that we aren't better then other creatures, only because our brain developed in a huge tempo around 30000 years ago. It's just the extra nerve connections which made us be selfaware. And it's not even sure we're the only one's with selfawareness, we just want to think so...

I am a catholic. I don't take the bible literally because allot i feel is written as messages of how life should be lived (as mentioned earlier by someone i think?)
every religion is based upon faith. It doesn't evolve around scientific evidence and stuff like that. Faith is what religion is based around.
I believe that evolution did happen, but why couldn't have god started the big bang for us to be created?
Free will gives you the right to think what you think now! When you die, you'l go to heaven (b'coz "god is a dj" and he spins trance :P) and he wont judge you straight on the fact of whether you 'believed' in him or not, he would judge you on the life that you lived.
p.s. i find it quite funny how alot of athiests use evolution as an excuse, but if you look on the web (dont know what site) but there is a $1m reward for one person to give scientific evidence of evolution. THe link "in theory" has been talked about, but it is still unproven. BTW if i got allot of stuff wrong with this don't flame me too much if im wrong, im not stufying philosophy lol!. As the phrase goes, 'everyone is entitled to their opinion'

I'm an atheist too
my grandma used to tell me about religious things but I hated dat bullshit...she prays to God every night before she goes bed...so what?notthing happens life goes on...

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Originally posted by Tranzmit God gave man his own choice and always has. He told him not to eat from the tree of good and evil because "if ye do she shall become as gods, knowing good and evil" So what does he do, eve gives it to him to eat from and he did. There's mans quest for knowledge power and our inherent path of self destruction. (which we're doing just fine on) Man has always made our own choices in history. For fucks sake leave god out of it

I'll have to disagree with you here. If u read my post above, man has never had any real choices. In fact, in following the belief that Gid was omnipotent, God knew we would eat from the tree even before He warned us.

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Originally posted by Elysium I'll have to disagree with you here. If u read my post above, man has never had any real choices. In fact, in following the belief that Gid was omnipotent, God knew we would eat from the tree even before He warned us.

Just because God is "all knowing all seeing etc" doesn't mean free will is nonexistent. It just means that every possibility for an action/reaction at a specific point in time can and does happen, just in another universe/dimension/time or place. So you still have free will to choose what you will/won't do and both of those will happen, just not in your own personal experience, they will happen somewhere else. For me I think everything that can happen, will and does happen. I've read a bit into how physics explains things with "Hyperspace" and bits from other books and that's how I think it all works out. Plus I still believe in a God, but religion is not for me (I'm just apart of one to make my parents/grandparents happy). It's too stifling for me...

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Just because God is "all knowing all seeing etc" doesn't mean free will is nonexistent. It just means that every possibility for an action/reaction at a specific point in time can and does happen, just in another universe/dimension/time or place. So you still have free will to choose what you will/won't do and both of those will happen, just not in your own personal experience, they will happen somewhere else. For me I think everything that can happen, will and does happen. I've read a bit into how physics explains things with "Hyperspace" and bits from other books and that's how I think it all works out. Plus I still believe in a God, but religion is not for me (I'm just apart of one to make my parents/grandparents happy). It's too stifling for me...

Sorry again i have to disagree. If God is able to see our actions before we even decide them then our destiny is already pre-determined. How can God know what we will choose even before we do? Though it might seem like we are making free choices, if God can already see what we will do and act, our choices are already etched in stone. If Free Will is truly a viable thing, then God cannot truly know our choices before we make them. However, the definition of God or a God is omnipotence. So i don't think its truly possible for a God not to be all knowing all seeing. Free will is a fallacy if u believe in the omnipotence of God. I don't know if my argument is getting across the right way. But, i hope this clarifies it a little better.

I understand you, Elysium, and what you say is true, but I can't believe in it bacause of the explanation in my last post before this one.

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p.s. i find it quite funny how alot of athiests use evolution as an excuse, but if you look on the web (dont know what site) but there is a $1m reward for one person to give scientific evidence of evolution. THe link "in theory" has been talked about, but it is still unproven

Evolution is proved in my opinion. examples like the darwin-birds on the galapagos islands, molecular science and genetics made clear that we are all linked together, though the recentcy (is that a word?) varies. It's at least definately more logical than what the bible claims, about the earth being 6000 year old, but that i also wrote in my last post, so read that again. Why wouldn't it be God who started the big bang? because that would be unlogical. why would you do that if you have so much power that you can make a big bang, why not then make a planet and create life on it, without species that evolve, like written in the bible, it certainly would seem better to me, he would have a lot more control about it.

Why would god wait untill 12.8 billion years ago to create a big bang if he had existed forever, always, eternal??

that i'd like to know...

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Originally posted by DjSuez I understand you, Elysium, and what you say is true, but I can't believe in it bacause of the explanation in my last post before this one. Evolution is proved in my opinion. examples like the darwin-birds on the galapagos islands, molecular science and genetics made clear that we are all linked together, though the recentcy (is that a word?) varies. It's at least definately more logical than what the bible claims, about the earth being 6000 year old, but that i also wrote in my last post, so read that again. Why wouldn't it be God who started the big bang? because that would be unlogical. why would you do that if you have so much power that you can make a big bang, why not then make a planet and create life on it, without species that evolve, like written in the bible, it certainly would seem better to me, he would have a lot more control about it. Why would god wait untill 12.8 billion years ago to create a big bang if he had existed forever, always, eternal?? that i'd like to know...

Its funny that u mention the Big Bang. In the same book i was reading about omnipotence vs free will, there was a article concerning a a a famous Harvard astrologer(i forget his name). Anyhow, he was able to trace the origin of the unverse back to a single point in time. It was not the big bang as many had thought. I'll have to dig up the article but, i remember that this thoery had been tested and proven as far as my memory goes.

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Originally posted by DjSuez It's at least definately more logical than what the bible claims, about the earth being 6000 year old, but that i also wrote in my last post, so read that again.

ok, one point about people thinking the earth is 600,000,00 years old. Why could God not have created the earth to be that old? He did not create adam and eve as little babies. The earth could APPEAR to us as 600,000,00 years old, but in actuality, has only been created 7,000 years ago. How do we know that dinausors actually roamed the earth? that would be strange to see dinausors and people living at the same time. perhapse God created the earth with a HISTORY that never actually happend, and littered the stones with dinausor fossils.

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Why would god wait untill 12.8 billion years ago to create a big bang if he had existed forever, always, eternal?? that i'd like to know...

i think it's impossible for us to fully understand this, because God lives outside the boundries of time. DOnt ask me how this works, because i dont know. i think this also relates to "free will" and God knowing what we do before we do it, because he doesnt think in the same fasion we do. How can humans think without the concept of time? Impossible.

plus, where does it say that God has only created the Earth, and this universe?

for all we know, he could have created MANY MANY different races, civilizations, anything you can imagine, and we would never come in contact with them because they don't exist in the same stratum as we do. like angels living in heaven. God surely created the angels, but do we have any information on this? I don't think so. And I don't think that people turn into angels when we die.. they must be their own "race".

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Anyhow, he was able to trace the origin of the unverse back to a single point in time. It was not the big bang as many had thought. I'll have to dig up the article but, i remember that this theory had been tested and proven as far as my memory goes.

That's quite interesting, but I think that if you want to, you can prove anything, you just have to explain things in your advantage. And that's the same with the big bang theory of course... But do you remember how the universe appeared then? because 'one point in time' seems like it has its simularities with the big bang...

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ok, one point about people thinking the earth is 600,000,00 years old. Why could God not have created the earth to be that old? He did not create adam and eve as little babies. The earth could APPEAR to us as 600,000,00 years old, but in actuality, has only been created 7,000 years ago. How do we know that dinausors actually roamed the earth? that would be strange to see dinausors and people living at the same time. perhapse God created the earth with a HISTORY that never actually happend, and littered the stones with dinausor fossils.

I'm sorry, but i just can't believe that... It would be a hell of a job to create an earth LOOKING 4500000000 years old, but BEING 6000 years old. He would have to create the footsteps, skelleton's, print's, cavedrawings etc. from every creature that'd lived on this planet, and he could not even rely on evolution, 'cause in his opinion it never were... I think also that the footsteps etc. are proof of dinosaurs being there... And why would god create an earth which looks so much older than it is, it's not that it would make a difference to us...

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i think it's impossible for us to fully understand this, because God lives outside the boundries of time. DOnt ask me how this works, because i dont know. i think this also relates to "free will" and God knowing what we do before we do it, because he doesnt think in the same fasion we do. How can humans think without the concept of time? Impossible.

How do God can then? time in the form it exists nowadays is a creation of men. If you're able to think without time, nothing woukd happen, or anything happens in a undividable little time.

Never has been said that god only created this universe, but there's just isn't another, unless it's far more than 15 billion lightyears away. And that would be weird, at least for me, because I believe in the big bang, and that phenomenon was created because all the gases in the universe colapsed into eachother.

What you say about races living in other strata, I can come in to that. if they'd live in this universe. in a book i once read about a calculation wich said that with minimums the solve would be 17, and with maximums 50000000. the calculation was about the number of races with intelligence like us living at the same time somewhere in the universe, so the real number is somewhere between those 2 values. But then again, i'd say they exist because they're on a planet like earth with their own sun etc..

Let me ask a new question too;

If there's One God, why are there so many people on this planet believing in something else? Wouldn't that implicate that nothing of al that is true? Or that a lot of people(from all but one religion) are very stupid?

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p.s. i find it quite funny how alot of athiests use evolution as an excuse, but if you look on the web (dont know what site) but there is a $1m reward for one person to give scientific evidence of evolution.

I presume you're talking about Ken Horvind, who is little more than a swindling crook (er.... apparently).

This page deals with that "reward" you're talking about, which, needless to say, is entirely bogus:

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent_hovind_page.htm

Click on the "Ken Hovind's Bogus Challenge" link to read up about it.

Although I personally don't believe that there is a God, I find it really difficult to comprehend how so many coincidental things can exist in the Universe. Just look at Earth - I understand the science behind how Earth is the only planet in the Solar System that can support life, but isn't it a huge coincidence that a) Earth is placed a 'suitable' distance from the Sun so it is neither too hot nor too cold, b) Earth has an atmosphere incorporating an ozone layer to filter out harmful UV radiation and burn up Crap floating about in space, c) conditions have always been favourable for life to flourish on just this one planet of the hundreds known, and d) humans and animals almost seem to have been 'designed'? I know these are poor examples but hopefully you can see what I'm getting at - the universe seems to be one giant jigsaw puzzle and all the pieces fit exactly even though they might not appear to be the right shape.

I can't help sometimes thinking that we are part of a bigger picture, a picture that we will never see, a picture that might not have been painted yet. We could be living in a Matrix-esque scenario for all we know! Oh wait...it's just a film.

Anyway, here's a point: if Adam and Eve were the first two humans on Earth, wouldn't them and their children have had to shag each other in a forbidden incest-stylee to get the human race going? And does that mean we are all related?

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isn't it a huge coincidence that a) Earth is placed a 'suitable' distance from the Sun so it is neither too hot nor too cold, b) Earth has an atmosphere incorporating an ozone layer to filter out harmful UV radiation and burn up Crap floating about in space, c) conditions have always been favourable for life to flourish on just this one planet of the hundreds known, and d) humans and animals almost seem to have been 'designed'?

It's called the anthropic principle. It seems like the universe has been designed for us, whereas in actual fact we have evolved to fit in with the specifications of the universe.

If the Earth was a bit closer to the sun, or had a little more gravity, or hadn't been pelted with a comet 65,000,000 years ago we wouldn't be here, and some other animal would be standing where you are now thinking "jeez, if the Earth was a little cooler, had a little less gravity and had been hit by a comet 65,000,000 years ago, my species wouldn't be here. Therefore, the coincidence is far too large, and I must have been created in the image of some god! It all makes sense now!"

See the logic?

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Originally posted by TiestoFanMatt I am a catholic. I don't take the bible literally because allot i feel is written as messages of how life should be lived (as mentioned earlier by someone i think?) every religion is based upon faith. It doesn't evolve around scientific evidence and stuff like that. Faith is what religion is based around. I believe that evolution did happen, but why couldn't have god started the big bang for us to be created? Free will gives you the right to think what you think now! When you die, you'l go to heaven (b'coz "god is a dj" and he spins trance :P) and he wont judge you straight on the fact of whether you 'believed' in him or not, he would judge you on the life that you lived. p.s. i find it quite funny how alot of athiests use evolution as an excuse, but if you look on the web (dont know what site) but there is a $1m reward for one person to give scientific evidence of evolution. THe link "in theory" has been talked about, but it is still unproven. BTW if i got allot of stuff wrong with this don't flame me too much if im wrong, im not stufying philosophy lol!. As the phrase goes, 'everyone is entitled to their opinion'

omg. i'm sorry but where do i begin???

first of all you cannot be catholic and not believe in the Bible. The Bible and Jesus are the only pieces of "evidence" christians have. Where do you get this picture of Heaven and Hell and God without the Bible? If the Bible wasn't around, you would not be Catholic. So either put your faith that it is the book of God, or don't be a Christian. If you don't choose one of those two, you are ignorant.

What is the deal with all these "Christians" who arent even christians. soooo stupid.

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Originally posted by Tranzmit huh a leviathan is most certainly got nothing to do with satan mate. It's a prehistor beast or quite probably a dinosaur as we'd call it.

oops! yeah I know what it is... read the Satanic Bible! the forth book is that of the Leviathan

I see this thread evolved... unfortunately I did not have time to read all the replies yet.. maybe tomorrow...

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Very interesting topic indeed. Learned a lot. I have been in and out of churches throughout my life, and none of them really worked out. Always found something that i didn't like. Specially the no dancing thing, that just wont cut it. Anyway i don't know where i fit in, I try not to label myself at all.

Personally In a way i think we are all gods. I think way back whenever, people not having the same things we do now, dreamed of a life much different. A life where they could have and do whatever they want. Not be sick,not have to hide from savage animals. They dreamed of being these mighty people with no problems. They had a dream that one day they would be gods, they would be the ones that control everything, never sick, the power to do whatever whenever they want. Now look where we are, really think about it. If you want to be a dentist,if you want a be a DJ you can be one. If you want to go club, go club, if you want to go shoot people well do that to. With modern medicine we are almost immune to anything, people live longer and with a higher quality of life. We are #1 on the food chain, we eat and kill anything. Now we pretty much do whatever we want and there isn't much to stop you from doing it(yes there are rules and if you break them your screwed, but this is just to keep false sense of balance.) People spend time at church, at home where ever, praising an all powerful entity, without stoping for a second to realize what they are. Sure we don't have the power to see whats happens before it does, or live forever. But maybe that is just because we aren't at that point yet. I don't know might sound crazy and really doesn't have anything to do with religion, other than to totally negate the presence of 1 superior being. I think back whenever, gods were just regular people, regular people that realized their own potential. I think that now, everyone is a god in a way, and the only people that are not are the ones that don't realize it. Praise yourself, praise your friends praise anyone that means anything to you. Because unlike the gods that some pray to, these people can actually give you something. Things that are real, and things that are spiritual. Everyone has the power to give, love, feel, and do whatever they want, and because of that, to me everyone is a god.
Yes you can pick apart what i have said, but I think if everyone took the effort to love everyone like a god as they do the respective God or being they believe in, shit would just be better.
(no you don't have to love crazy people and killers and such that is a whole dif story and this is long enough) Anyway if any of you people actually read this your cool, cuz my grammar and spelling suck ass and ya, not really on topic. I could get more indepth and such with other things, but just didnt want to write a book at the moment.

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Originally posted by Renegade It's called the anthropic principle. It seems like the universe has been designed for us, whereas in actual fact we have evolved to fit in with the specifications of the universe. If the Earth was a bit closer to the sun, or had a little more gravity, or hadn't been pelted with a comet 65,000,000 years ago we wouldn't be here, and some other animal would be standing where you are now thinking "jeez, if the Earth was a little cooler, had a little less gravity and had been hit by a comet 65,000,000 years ago, my species wouldn't be here. Therefore, the coincidence is far too large, and I must have been created in the image of some god! It all makes sense now!" See the logic?

I actually do call that logic renegade. I'm bemused that scientists have come up with such far-fetched ideas as to how we "evolved" into what we are now. Thinking, feeling humans with a soul. (And if you don't believe me on that one they did some scientific tests on when people were on the point of death and found they weighed slightly less when they die. Something has left the body)

Whether you believe in a god or whatever i just don't see how all the beutiful things in life like the ocean and the way it reflects the warm rays of a sunset look. The Palette of the sky in a sunrise, love, the beauty of a women, making love, the way a mother looks at her children playing near her, the feeling we get inside us when we do something good and even the feeling we get when we help someone, the feeling i get when listening to trance.

All these things i just can't believe just fell into place or came together from some big-explosion millions of years ago that just happened to all come together the right way to give us what we have and what makes us human and beautiful.

But everyone has a right to their own opinion and i don't want to argue about this. It's a fucking beautiful day outside and i want to enjoy every bit of it

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Originally posted by davinox omg. i'm sorry but where do i begin??? first of all you cannot be catholic and not believe in the Bible. The Bible and Jesus are the only pieces of "evidence" christians have. Where do you get this picture of Heaven and Hell and God without the Bible? If the Bible wasn't around, you would not be Catholic. So either put your faith that it is the book of God, or don't be a Christian. If you don't choose one of those two, you are ignorant. What is the deal with all these "Christians" who arent even christians. soooo stupid.

Sorry man but i think u are misunderstanding what was said. I think what he means is that the bible was meant to be guide and the events entailed there did not literally happen. It doesn't mean he doesn't believe in the bible. It means just, he believes in the moral lessons of the bible, not that those actual events happened. U can faith in the lessons of the bible without having to believe those events actually happened can't u? Unless, u are implying that by being catholic u have to absolutely believe everything in the bible actually happened. If thats what u mean, i don't have any insight on that so maybe u can elaborate a little further. As for his comment on christians who aren't "real christians" he is referring to people who judge other people based on the beliefs in the bible. Sorry i agree with him there. If anything, christians are supposed to spread the word of God. Alot of these so called "christians" use it as a base to judge other people. People who walk up to me and say ur going to hell if u don't believe in God and things of that nature are wrong. They are using the bible as a standard to judge me. God will deliever his decision on me on judgement day. No other person will tell me what he or she thinks God intended from their simple interpretation of the bible. These are the people i believe he is referring to as "christians who aren't christians." And in that context i am inclined to agree. I am not saying this to look down upon christians and such because i was one of them. But, criticizing and judging other people from the standards of the bible is not Gods work. If anything its prejudicial. and it goes on in every church.Judging people doesn't spread the word of the gospel any.

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Originally posted by FrosT Very interesting topic indeed. Learned a lot. I have been in and out of churches throughout my life, and none of them really worked out. Always found something that i didn't like. Specially the no dancing thing, that just wont cut it. Anyway i don't know where i fit in, I try not to label myself at all. Personally In a way i think we are all gods. I think way back whenever, people not having the same things we do now, dreamed of a life much different. A life where they could have and do whatever they want. Not be sick,not have to hide from savage animals. They dreamed of being these mighty people with no problems. They had a dream that one day they would be gods, they would be the ones that control everything, never sick, the power to do whatever whenever they want. Now look where we are, really think about it. If you want to be a dentist,if you want a be a DJ you can be one. If you want to go club, go club, if you want to go shoot people well do that to. With modern medicine we are almost immune to anything, people live longer and with a higher quality of life. We are #1 on the food chain, we eat and kill anything. Now we pretty much do whatever we want and there isn't much to stop you from doing it(yes there are rules and if you break them your screwed, but this is just to keep false sense of balance.) People spend time at church, at home where ever, praising an all powerful entity, without stoping for a second to realize what they are. Sure we don't have the power to see whats happens before it does, or live forever. But maybe that is just because we aren't at that point yet. I don't know might sound crazy and really doesn't have anything to do with religion, other than to totally negate the presence of 1 superior being. I think back whenever, gods were just regular people, regular people that realized their own potential. I think that now, everyone is a god in a way, and the only people that are not are the ones that don't realize it. Praise yourself, praise your friends praise anyone that means anything to you. Because unlike the gods that some pray to, these people can actually give you something. Things that are real, and things that are spiritual. Everyone has the power to give, love, feel, and do whatever they want, and because of that, to me everyone is a god. Yes you can pick apart what i have said, but I think if everyone took the effort to love everyone like a god as they do the respective God or being they believe in, shit would just be better. (no you don't have to love crazy people and killers and such that is a whole dif story and this is long enough) Anyway if any of you people actually read this your cool, cuz my grammar and spelling suck ass and ya, not really on topic. I could get more indepth and such with other things, but just didnt want to write a book at the moment.

Hey Man, i know how u feel. I've bumped from church to church feeling outcast simply because i refused to conform to the norm. Alot of churches even look at trance as the devils music. Unfortunately that has to do with the scenes connetation with drugs. at least thats what i think. Anyhow, crazy as it sounds i agree with what u said. Funny thing is i've said it myself sometimes and been criticized of being blasphemous. But i understand what u mean. Its not to mean we are all powerful and omnipotent but, we the capacity with in all of us to do so much. But understand that alot of people will never understand what it is to see things in this light. too many people fear the truth and let it dictate their lives. if only people could let go of their fears and truly be free. its the difference of being afraid (we all have that) and living in fear. even though its sad to say, sometimes the only time we see people let go of their fears is in the greatest time of tragedy. Anyhows, i am rambling but, what u say is not off the topic and i think its a really deep thing to say. Cheers

I dont know if you could call my beleifs religion but it is in what i beleive.Chaos.The one defining factor of life.The universe being a prime example,no order,no direction,just there,growing,moving.The universe is like we are,no matter how many treaties we sign or hands we shake nothing will ever be static.

Elysium Thanks for reading that . Glad you know what im saying. I was waiting for sombody to say that im full of myself or soemthing along those lines calling myself and everyone gods. My definition of a god is a bit diferent/loose than most. And totally agree about the truth. Most people do take for granted what they have but can not see. I am gulty of it myself most of all, because i do know its there but choose to ignore it most of the time.

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sometimes the only time we see people let go of their fears is in the greatest time of tragedy

Also very true and nicely put. Once the everyday cloud of fears and missinformation is parted we see the gods come out to strike. But it is sad that it takes a ray of light so strong to shine through to them before action is taken. Sometimes you wish you could just slap someone on the forehead and they would just get it. Like oh damn.....i see what your saying. To me honestly everying i said makes perfect sense. Even a person that has a belief in a higher being/entity/god whatever should see it. What kills me is people that take communion. They take the body and blood of a god, consume it, make it a part of them and still act as if they have no power. Still bow down, still wait for orders. Its just not right, nobody is meant to, or was made to be a slave, although people willingly become them.

Hypronix: Satanism, aye? Personally, I've read up on different ideas, beliefs, and mysticism ~ ranging from ritual magic to aliens. There is so much information out there, you'll be dizzy very soon. So I quit. There weren't that much theories I could apply at a moment's notice.... Until, I ran across Kabballah, the mysticism of Hebrews. Well, actually, very very old numerology. A theory that has amazed me from a KB analysis. I had only gave out my birthdate and names, and the report had facts about me not even my friends knew. It was near-100% accurate assessment of me. I was stoked. So stoked, I have the KB course materials in front me.

Elysium:
Its funny that u mention the Big Bang. In the same book i was reading about omnipotence vs free will, there was a article concerning a a a famous Harvard astrologer(i forget his name). Anyhow, he was able to trace the origin of the unverse back to a single point in time. It was not the big bang as many had thought. I'll have to dig up the article but, i remember that this thoery had been tested and proven as far as my memory goes.


Astrologer? I believe it's Stephen Hawking (theoretical physicist) who theorizes the Big Bang originated from a black hole. I read his latest book, "Universe in a Nutshell", some many months back that showed the process with simple diagrams from a 'singular' point exploding out like a cone.

Dj Chrono:
i think it's impossible for us to fully understand this, because God lives outside the boundries of time. DOnt ask me how this works, because i dont know. i think this also relates to "free will" and God knowing what we do before we do it, because he doesnt think in the same fasion we do. How can humans think without the concept of time? Impossible.


God is like another abstract concept: Fate knows your Destiny. In the same token, I could replace God with other forms of mystical beings who operate outside the parameters of Time.. Like Tao, like Amitabha, like Ra.. He is replaceable or has semblance of similarity if you decide to look at other mysticism in the East. The way a I see it... He's just one of the 'higher-ups' in the uh higher-ups hierachy. My perspective: If there is a God, there will be His equals.. or beings greater than him in this 'universe'. Boy, I could hear those xians screaming blasphemy at me now.

As for having 'free will': Until you are aware of the fact that you 'don't', you'll be mistaken that you have 'one'.

As for Time: If you ever read Stephen Hawking's new book's section on time and dimensions, you'll know the answer. It's more conceptually possible than you think otherwise. Quite complex... I was thoroughly dizzy.

Frost: Sounds like a self-realist to me. Simple wisdom and simple truths. too bad there are not too many of you around this planet.. At leas,t not yet, until you infect everybody.

Tranzmit: The game of chance has favoured this race so far. In another couple of thousands of years, we'll figure out the mysteries soone enough to know if the game was divined or not. It's only a matter of time. Until then, enjoy the game... And uh the weemun.

Elysium:
Its funny that u mention the Big Bang. In the same book i was reading about omnipotence vs free will, there was a article concerning a a a famous Harvard astrologer(i forget his name). Anyhow, he was able to trace the origin of the unverse back to a single point in time. It was not the big bang as many had thought. I'll have to dig up the article but, i remember that this thoery had been tested and proven as far as my memory goes.


Astrologer? I believe it's Stephen Hawking (theoretical physicist) who theorizes the Big Bang originated from a black hole. I read his latest book, "Universe in a Nutshell", some many months back that showed the process with simple diagrams from a 'singular' point exploding out like a cone.

Is this guy severly handicapped? If he is thats the man and thanks for the correection. my memory is just not what it used to be.

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