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Originally posted by nefardec unfortunately her beliefs aren't so personal.

Exactly. I don't really care what she claims she's going to do if elected as her entire platform is built around this ideological viewpoint she adamantly defends. She has made it clear that she thinks creationism should be taught in school and that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry. Even going so far as to say if made president, she'd overturn NY's recently enacted bill to allow gay marriage.



So apparently, states rights trump federal ruling only when it's conducive to her viewpoint, a la illegal immigration. But when something such as gay marriage comes up, oh LAWDY LOOK OUT, the government can CERTAINLY tell you how to live your life there. She can't even keep her own stories straight.

She's completely full of shit, I'm sorry. I can't even believe people take this woman seriously. She lies through her teeth and bends the truth on a whim, which isn't really anything new for politicians, but she frightens me while I watch her blatantly push her archaic ideological agenda.

none of that shit matters. it's all about the economy, period.

I get that those are wedge issues, but c'mon. Are you fucking serious?

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Originally posted by The17sss I'm not religious at all... but if she can help get our fiscal house in order, and help clean up the titanic inefficient pile of shit in Washington, leading to our economy moving back in the right direction, her personal religious beliefs are meaningless to me.

Yes, because religious zealots in places of power are known to keep their own insanity personal and out of everyone elses way and just focus on that one thing they promised they would focus on. Say, what are all those fiscal conservatives that campaigned on creating jobs focusing on since the election? Oh thats right, banning abortion.


Also speaking of getting fiscal things in order, would it be nice of me to point out that about 5o to 60 years ago, during what could be unanimously across the world considered the golden age of america, when it really was the most prosperous and economically most powerful country, your tax rate was about double what it is now? Because i know you love her because she fucking hates taxes. Interesting correlation i would think, no matter whos in charge of the country, the lower your tax rate gets, the more in the gutter your country is. So obviously the solution is to lower taxes even more!


And trying to fight inefficiency in any government system short of a dictatorship is about as useful as trying to cool down mount etna with a moist handkerchief.

If the economy is the only important thing, then why does it seem Right wing candidates refuse to talk about what they're going to do to fix it other than slash social programs that in the long run wont really make a dent in the deficit, and continue to CUT taxes?

Seriously, link me to something where any one of them lays out any sort of sustainable, reasonable plan to actually fix the economy. I can't really see any way out of this entire mess other than cutting Medicare/Medicaid, Defense, and raising taxes across the board. The bullshit issues they drone on and on about right now don't matter in the long run. Stopping abortion, or cutting funding for NPR or whatever the hell they want to cut is not going to fix anything or streamline any part of government. I don't get it. Enlighten me.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Yes, because religious zealots in places of power are known to keep their own insanity personal and out of everyone elses way and just focus on that one thing they promised they would focus on. Say, what are all those fiscal conservatives that campaigned on creating jobs focusing on since the election? Oh thats right, banning abortion. Also speaking of getting fiscal things in order, would it be nice of me to point out that about 5o to 60 years ago, during what could be unanimously across the world considered the golden age of america, when it really was the most prosperous and economically most powerful country, your tax rate was about double what it is now? Because i know you love her because she fucking hates taxes. Interesting correlation i would think, no matter whos in charge of the country, the lower your tax rate gets, the more in the gutter your country is. So obviously the solution is to lower taxes even more!

wrong. Jimmy Carter had the top marginal rate at 75%... Reagan lowered it to 25% and we instantly saw 9% GDP growth and an economic explosion for the next several years. Of course there's a lot more to it, but the point is that our economy was in major stagnation with sickening tax rates in the late 70s, and all that changed soon after Carter's failed policies were ousted.

On the religious zealot thing... I'm a lot less worried about the creationism boogey man than I am about the muslims who do, you know, actual physical damage by murdering or attempting to murder people due to religious ideology. If you want to stand up against religious zealotry, why not instead discuss the muslims who were arrested 2 days ago for attempting to blow up a military recruitment center with a daycare inside in Seattle?

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Originally posted by enydo If the economy is the only important thing, then why does it seem Right wing candidates refuse to talk about what they're going to do to fix it other than slash social programs that in the long run wont really make a dent in the deficit, and continue to CUT taxes? Seriously, link me to something where any one of them lays out any sort of sustainable, reasonable plan to actually fix the economy. I can't really see any way out of this entire mess other than cutting Medicare/Medicaid, Defense, and raising taxes across the board. The bullshit issues they drone on and on about right now don't matter in the long run. Stopping abortion, or cutting funding for NPR or whatever the hell they want to cut is not going to fix anything or streamline any part of government. I don't get it. Enlighten me.

are you joking? I have read plenty of stuff, and heard many of them talk about point-by-point methods on how they would revive the economy. I'm not going to search for links for you on that.

Teaching kids that the earth was created by god and that people were placed here on earth by god is more dangerous than Muslim terrorists. The terrorists are killing at most a couple hundred people. Teachings like that are poisoning the minds of the people who will be leading this country in the future. It's breeding ignorance and stupidity for future generations instead of progressing our country in the fields of science. You talk to much about how No Child Left Behind has failed and that our education system is in shambles, but do you think it would be better if they started teaching creationism in schools?

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Teaching kids that the earth was created by god and that people were placed here on earth by god is more dangerous than Muslim terrorists. The terrorists are killing at most a couple hundred people. Teachings like that are poisoning the minds of the people who will be leading this country in the future. It's breeding ignorance and stupidity for future generations instead of progressing our country in the fields of science. You talk to much about how No Child Left Behind has failed and that our education system is in shambles, but do you think it would be better if they started teaching creationism in schools?

Actual murdering terrorists who do so based on religious ideology are less dangerous than teachers teaching creationism? lol. Until those kids start killing and plotting to kill those who refuse to believe in creationism, I declare your point to be insane.

I'm not arguing that it would be better if they started teaching it in schools; it's right up there with the rest of the bullshit that gets taught these days in public schools. As long as they teach evolution as well (preferably within the same class) to give the kids options on how to think and choose what to believe for themselves, I guess that is what I would prefer. But this is the least of our problems right now. Yes they matter to whatever degree, but the economy and our debt are far and away the most important issues of our time right now.

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Originally posted by The17sss are you joking? I have read plenty of stuff, and heard many of them talk about point-by-point methods on how they would revive the economy. I'm not going to search for links for you on that.

Could you please? And no I'm not joking. I've only recently begun to follow politics in any form probably over the last... year or so? Not really sure, but I'm certainly not incredibly knowledgeable, or at least not at the level I'd like to be.

I'm only asking because I'm legitimately interested. Could you please provide at least SOMETHING for me to look at instead of just brushing me aside as if I'm some uneducated fuck?

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Originally posted by The17sss wrong. Jimmy Carter had the top marginal rate at 75%...

Had nothing to do with Carter in particular. He was just continuing the historic high rates that were also in effect throughout the prosperous '60s.

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Originally posted by The17sss wrong. Jimmy Carter had the top marginal rate at 75%... Reagan lowered it to 25% and we instantly saw 9% GDP growth and an economic explosion for the next several years. Of course there's a lot more to it, but the point is that our economy was in major stagnation with sickening tax rates in the late 70s, and all that changed soon after Carter's failed policies were ousted.

Yes, its often surprising to people that after a downturn, the economy picks up again isnt it. We can come back to this discussion at a later time, as i havent put in nearly as much research a proper discussion on monetary policy requires.

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Originally posted by The17sss On the religious zealot thing... I'm a lot less worried about the creationism boogey man than I am about the muslims who do, you know, actual physical damage by murdering or attempting to murder people due to religious ideology. If you want to stand up against religious zealotry, why not instead discuss the muslims who were arrested 2 days ago for attempting to blow up a military recruitment center with a daycare inside in Seattle?

Dude...seriously...in all my posts did i ever give you an impression that i thoroughly despise (fundamentalist) christians, but am willing to jump in bed with the musilims? Why do i have to choose which side to be against, cant i be against both? Also, let us not pretend, that christians arent above killing a few people in the name of god themselves, or that you would be ok if bauchman was a muslim fundamentalist and decided to run for presidency and decided to impose her muslim beliefs upon the country.


If i were you, i would be a lot more worried about christians, because whatever a bunch of silly mulims decide to do, it will be a localised event. It will hurt the people immediately affected by it and hats abou that, nobody else will feel the pain.
With a fundie in charge of the country is not a localised event it effects everybody. It effects education (stupid science going against god, kids dont need science!), it effects health care (no abortion for you you slutty girl, god doesnt approve of it, it was your own fault you got raped) it effects research (do i even need to provide an example here)...not a pleasant prospect for the future.



P.S.
I apologise for the spelling, im in bed, half asleep and typing on the phone

Good article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13906274

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...e_n_885368.html

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In Waterloo, Iowa on the eve of her official presidential campaign announcement, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) told Fox News that she has "the spirit" of John Wayne. The presidential hopeful -- who was born and grew up in Waterloo as a child before moving to Minnesota -- said, "Well, what I want them to know is just like, John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That's the kind of spirit that I have, too." The Washington Times points out one slight problem with the Tea Party favorite's remarks: The John Wayne with roots in Waterloo is John Wayne Gacy, a serial killer who was executed by lethal injection in 1994 after being convicted of 33 murders. John Wayne -- the late movie star, director and producer -- was born in Winterset, Iowa, but appears to have no specific connection to Waterloo.

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Originally posted by Zharen http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...e_n_885368.html

OMG.

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Originally posted by The17sss are you joking? I have read plenty of stuff, and heard many of them talk about point-by-point methods on how they would revive the economy. I'm not going to search for links for you on that.

Besides the Ryan plan? That was a piece of shit.

Or do you just mean a point-by-point detailed

1. Cut taxes
2. Cut more taxes
3. Cut entitlements
4. Cut spending

Since those are the only two plans I ever see Republicans talking about.


You know, I lean left, but I'm not on the far left by any means. Obama has disappointed me in many ways and I watched the Republican CNN debate to see if, honestly, any of them would impress me. Let's just say I was disappointed. All they do is attack the president, attack health care reform, say they will not allow abortions or gay marriage, and kiss the ass of the tea party. It was pathetically sad how Romney seemed the most reasonable choice after the debate.



Why is it so hard to comprehend that you can't just fucking keep cutting taxes? To solve this problem we need to raise taxes, reform entitlements, and cut spending. And using the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip is pathetic. It goes against the god damn Constitution for fuck's sake.


Also: fuck Bachman. She IS crazy and stupid. Creationist = end of story.


Honestly, Kev, what is your opinion about the main Republican candidates right now? Because they all scare me.

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Originally posted by Lews Why is it so hard to comprehend that you can't just fucking keep cutting taxes? To solve this problem we need to raise taxes, reform entitlements, and cut spending. And using the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip is pathetic.

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Originally posted by Lews Honestly, Kev, what is your opinion about the main Republican candidates right now? Because they all scare me.

I don't think he's seen one he hasn't liked.

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Originally posted by ziptnf I don't think he's seen one he hasn't liked.

you're right

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Originally posted by The17sss I would have sex with all these white republicans.

I mean, how can you possibly like this woman and want her in office? She's like Sarah Palin 2.0.



http://politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/

1 true statement out of 26. Pretty good numbers there.

She says this:

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Bachmann: I would say, what I would say is that the news media should do a penetrating expose and take a look -- I wish they would. I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out, are they pro-America or anti-America? I think the people would love to see an expose like that.

Then denies it.

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Colmes: You said you were concerned during the campaign that Obama had anti American views and you said the news media should do a penetrating expose and take a look at the people and find out, are they pro-America or anti-America Bachmann: Actually that's not what I said. It's an urban legend that was created and that's not what I said. Colmes: I have the tape at my website Alan.com Bachmann: What I called on Alan was for the main stream media to do their job. They failed to vet Barack Obama the way they had John McCain. That's what I was called for. Colmes: I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out, are they pro-America or anti-America. Do you really want... Bachmann: What I said was that I'm not qualified to say whether members views are pro or anti American. That's not my job to do.

Step 1: Lie your ass off.
Step 2: Hope media doesn't call you on it (if yes, go to step 3, if no, repeat step 1)
Step 3: Change the subject and just talk about what you want to talk about.
Step 4: Whine about liberals in the media gunning for you.
Step 5: Repeat step 1

(Anthony Weiner should probably not have followed those steps )

Here's my favorite Bachmann quotes against homosexuality:

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�It�s part of Satan I think to say that this is �gay.� It�s anything but gay.� � Senator Michele Bachmann, speaking at EdWatch National Education Conference, November 6, 2004. �If you�re involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle, it�s bondage. It is personal bondage, personal despair and personal enslavement.� � Senator Michele Bachmann, speaking at EdWatch National Education Conference, November 6, 2004. �You have a teacher talking about his gayness. (The elementary school student) goes home then and says �Mom! What�s gayness? We had a teacher talking about this today.� The mother says �Well, that�s when a man likes other men, and they don�t like girls.� The boy�s eight. He�s thinking, �Hmm. I don�t like girls. I like boys. Maybe I�m gay.� And you think, �Oh, that�s, that�s way out there. The kid isn�t gonna think that.� Are you kidding? That happens all the time. You don�t think that this is intentional, the message that�s being given to these kids? That�s child abuse.� � Senator Michele Bachmann, speaking at EdWatch National Education Conference, November 6, 2004. �Don�t misunderstand. I am not here bashing people who are homosexuals, who are lesbians, who are bisexual, who are transgender. We need to have profound compassion for people who are dealing with the very real issue of sexual dysfunction in their life and sexual identity disorders.� � Senator Michele Bachmann, on homosexuality as a mental disorder, speaking at EdWatch National Education Conference, November 6, 2004. �It isn�t that some gay will get some rights. It�s that everyone else in our state will lose rights. For instance, parents will lose the right to protect and direct the upbringing of their children. Because our K-​12 public school system, of which ninety per cent of all youth are in the public school system, they will be required to learn that homosexuality is normal, equal and perhaps you should try it. And that will occur immediately, that all schools will begin teaching homosexuality.� � Senator Michele Bachmann, on what will happen if her same-​sex marriage ban amendment fails to pass in 2004, appearing as guest on radio program �Prophetic Views Behind The News,� hosted by Jan Markell, KKMS 980-​AM, March 6, 2004 �This is a very serious matter, because it is our children who are the prize for this community, they are specifically targeting our children.� � Senator Michele Bachmann, on the gay community and same-​sex marriage, appearing as guest on radio program �Prophetic Views Behind The News�, hosted by Jan Markell, KKMS 980-​AM, March 20, 2004. �The sex curriculum will be essentially by taught by the local gay community.� � Senator Michele Bachmann, if her same-​sex marriage ban amendment does not pass in 2004, appearing as guest on radio program �Prophetic Views Behind The News�, hosted by Jan Markell, KKMS 980-​AM, March 20, 2004. �And what a bizarre time we�re in, Jan, when a judge will say to little children that you can�t say the pledge of allegiance, but you must learn that homosexuality is normal and you should try it.� � Senator Michele Bachmann, appearing as guest on radio program �Prophetic Views Behind The News�, hosted by Jan Markell, KKMS 980-​AM, March 6, 2004. �Our children will be forced to learn that homosexuality is normal and natural and that perhaps they should try it, and that�ll be very soon in our public schools all across the state, beginning in kindergarten.� � Senator Michele Bachmann, appearing as guest on radio program �Prophetic Views Behind The News�, hosted by Jan Markell, KKMS 980-​AM, March 6, 2004. �We are wide open and vulnerable and in all likelihood an activist judge will strike down our Defense of Marriage Act, our state law against gay marriage, this year. And in all likelihood, we will have gay marriage in 2004 in Minnesota , if we don�t get this amendment on the ballot for November.� � Senator Michele Bachmann, appearing as guest on radio program �Prophetic Views Behind The News�, hosted by Jan Markell, KKMS 980-​AM, March 20, 2004.

And for more historical nonsense akin to Sarah Palin:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...deo.php?ref=fpb

I hope this woman gets nominated, it will be hilarious to watch her crash and burn.

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Originally posted by ziptnf I mean, how can you possibly like this woman and want her in office? She's like Sarah Palin 2.0. http://politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/ 1 true statement out of 26. Pretty good numbers there. She says this: Then denies it. Step 1: Lie your ass off. Step 2: Hope media doesn't call you on it (if yes, go to step 3, if no, repeat step 1) Step 3: Change the subject and just talk about what you want to talk about. Step 4: Whine about liberals in the media gunning for you. Step 5: Repeat step 1 (Anthony Weiner should probably not have followed those steps ) Here's my favorite Bachmann quotes against homosexuality: And for more historical nonsense akin to Sarah Palin: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...deo.php?ref=fpb I hope this woman gets nominated, it will be hilarious to watch her crash and burn.

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I liked on Face The Nation how every question turned into the blame Obama game. I don't necessarily like Obama much either, but holy shit, could you be any more obvious?

as has been hammered home an ample amount of times already, whether or not she is some sort of economic ace does not alienate herself from what are clearly bigoted, ignorant ethics. issues like that are not efficiently compartmentalized and stored in neat little containers, only to make appearances when the topic of religion or homosexuality comes up; they'll be (amongst other things) floating about her head, constantly clouding judgement.

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