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oil.

Cocks.

Oil and cocks: the two best reasons for war.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 I'm sure in the case of Pearl Harbor, you would agree that it was justified that the US go to war with Japan, no? How is this so different aside from Japan being a formal military attacking a military base instead of a terrorist group attacking civilians?

The difference is that Japan, as a whole country attacked the United States. While 9/11 was a terrible event, it in no way legitimised occupation of two whole countries whose governments never orchestrated, or even condoned those attacks. War is reasonable and inevitable in some cases. Killing thousands of innocent citizens because of a independent terrorist attack is not one of those times.

How would you feel if the IRA set off a bomb in Belfast, and the English retaliated by indiscriminately bombing the suburbs of Dublin? The comparison adequately demonstrates the US' actions in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Originally posted by The17sss $4 trillion is the cost of 1 BUSH budget. Food for thought.

True that. Especially as he squandered the Clinton surplus.

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Originally posted by Srussel Yeah you're right. Private corporations have more to do with the US going to war than the US government does.

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Originally posted by GGM The companies profiting from that spending have more say in this than the actual government imo. So yes it's a large number, yes the money could have been spent better elsewhere, but as corporations do you really thing they're going to admit that instead of going to war?

Well fuck me sideways - been saying this the entire time but certain numbnuts on here just couldn't fathom it at the time. Kev? Pkc? any thoughts?

Afghanistan didn't really have a "government" at the time. It would be more like if the IRA was dominating Ireland and bombing elsewhere but performing none of the usual functions of a government, and wasn't recognized as a proper government by other countries (as the Taliban was not, by almost all).

Definitely agree on Iraq, though.

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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin

I was thinking more like

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Originally posted by Domesticated The difference is that Japan, as a whole country attacked the United States. While 9/11 was a terrible event, it in no way legitimised occupation of two whole countries whose governments never orchestrated, or even condoned those attacks. War is reasonable and inevitable in some cases. Killing thousands of innocent citizens because of a independent terrorist attack is not one of those times. How would you feel if the IRA set off a bomb in Belfast, and the English retaliated by indiscriminately bombing the suburbs of Dublin? The comparison adequately demonstrates the US' actions in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

That's true for Iraq, but it was a commonly known fact that the Taliban regime in Afghanistan was sheltering members of al Qaeda, which was the group who attacked the US. Your IRA analogy works for Iraq, but not Afghanistan.

So basically, what Tasty Onions said.

I also wouldn't say the US has been indiscriminately bombing anything in either of the wars.

So everyone on the planet could be millionaire many times over if they handed the cash out?

Fuck bananas.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I was thinking more like

japans has had a head start

U.S. national debt is $14,000,000,000,000 and climbing, last time I checked.

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Originally posted by Tasty Onions $14,000,000,000,000

Well obviously it looks worse when you type it out that way. "14 trillion" doesn't seem so bad.

Maybe the common practice should be to type it out all the way, then.

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Originally posted by Swamper I felt this was an interesting read: http://original.antiwar.com/justin/...merican-empire/ I'm open to hearing critiques on what is cited there.

Do you consider warfare to prevent genocide to be an acceptable use of military force?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Well fuck me sideways - been saying this the entire time but certain numbnuts on here just couldn't fathom it at the time. Kev? Pkc? any thoughts?

lol, I love how you couldn�t tell that Russell was taking the piss.

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Originally posted by Tasty Onions U.S. national debt is $14,000,000,000,000 and climbing, last time I checked.

Buy puts and short the dow!









NAO!

LoL at people thinking 9/11 was actually orchestrated by terrorists.

LoL at people thinking Al Qaeda is actually a group of terrorism which existed before 9/11.

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Originally posted by knowhope LoL at people thinking 9/11 was actually orchestrated by terrorists.

Oh look, another moron who believes everything he reads on the internet.

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Originally posted by knowhope LoL at people thinking Al Qaeda is actually a group of terrorism which existed before 9/11.

The term �al qaeda� was can be traced to the early 80s. don�t believe me, listen to the terrorist you�re apologising for

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Osama bin Ladin: The name "al Qaeda" was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed. Interview between Al-Jazeera television correspondent Tayseer Alouni and Osama Bin Laden in October 2001

It�s funny, because I was studying Al Qaeda prior to 911, no doubt you�d never heard about the loose association of terrorists before then, but your ignorance is probably insurmountable.

Fucken losers

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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin We lost 3,000 people on September 11 and have killed 137,000 innocent civilians in foreign countries since then in response. Why does this not make sense? Just judging by the numbers, it would appear that the United States is exponentially more dangerous than Al-Qaeda ever was. 137,000 isn't even the full casualty figure which doesn't count the lives ruined, families uprooted, refugees, physical and mental disorders, etc. It's pathetic. China is rising and here we are wasting away in shit hole third world countries. ========================================================== A new report out of Brown University estimates that the U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq--together with the counterinsurgency efforts in Pakistan--will, all told, cost $4 trillion and leave 225,000 dead, both civilians and soldiers. The group of economists, anthropologists, lawyers, humanitarian personnel, and political scientists involved in the project estimated that the cost of caring for the veterans injured in the wars will reach $1 trillion in 30 or 40 years. In estimating the $4 trillion total, they did not take into account the $5.3 billion in reconstruction spending the government has promised Afghanistan, state and local contributions to veteran care, interest payments on war debt, or the costs of Medicare for veterans when they reach 65. The Congressional Budget Office, meanwhile, has assessed the federal price tag for the wars at $1.8 trillion through 2021. The report says that is a gross underestimate, predicting that the government has already paid $2.3 trillion to $2.7 trillion. More than 6,000 U.S. troops and 2,300 contractors have died since the wars began after Sept. 11. A staggering 550,000 disability claims have been filed with the VA as of 2010. Meanwhile, 137,000 civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq have died in the conflict. (Injuries among U.S. contractors have also not yet been made public, further complicating the calculations of cost.) Nearly 8 million people have been displaced. Check out Reuters' factbox breaking down the costs and casualties here. Perhaps the most sobering conclusion of the researchers is that it's unclear whether the human and economic costs are worth it. Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are now dead, and the Taliban is marginalized, but Iraq and Afghanistan are far from being stable democracies. Meanwhile, the half a percentage point a year in GDP growth the war has fueled has been offset by the enormous increase in the national deficit, the report says. "We decided we needed to do this kind of rigorous assessment of what it cost to make those choices to go to war," study co-director Catherine Lutz told Reuters. "Politicians, we assumed, were not going to do that kind of assessment." The researchers recommend that the U.S. government be more transparent in disclosing the costs of its wars to taxpayers, by including the costs of future health care for veterans, the cost of paying interest on debt taken out to fund the wars, and estimating how much state and local governments take on in war costs. You can see their recommendations here. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...-130934180.html

JA!


oooohh yes, the dollar amount lost is actually the worst thing lost.
fuck off

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Originally posted by VAR JA! oooohh yes, the dollar amount lost is actually the worst thing lost. fuck off

At this point, speaking frankly (arguably coldly), yes, the amount of money spent is worse than the lives lost (at least only counting the lives lost on our side).

That being said, its horrible that these lives were lost, but what is going to haunt us for decades is the amount of money spent.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby At this point, speaking frankly (arguably coldly), yes, the amount of money spent is worse than the lives lost (at least only counting the lives lost on our side). That being said, its horrible that these lives were lost, but what is going to haunt us for decades is the amount of money spent.

ja, i guess that you are right; the money is the most important-
the decades of life that those who have fallen have lost is insignificant, along with everyone that they knew and Loved.



plz pull your head out of your "fourth point of contact"
thanx

Did anybody here know a person that was killed in Iraq or Afghanistan, here?

Not looking for an argument, just wondering how it has affected people.

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Originally posted by VAR ja, i guess that you are right; the money is the most important- the decades of life that those who have fallen have lost is insignificant, along with everyone that they knew and Loved. plz pull your head out of your "fourth point of contact" thanx

I never said how much worse one was to the other, just qualitatively, one is worse than the other when you line up all the effects, even if only slightly.

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Originally posted by knowhope LoL at people thinking 9/11 was actually orchestrated by terrorists. LoL at people thinking Al Qaeda is actually a group of terrorism which existed before 9/11.

Well, shit... You don't say?

We all know that Lee Harvey Oswald killed several aliens at Roswell who retaliated by abducting elvis who came back to earth just in time to convince George W Bush to orchestrate 9/11.

Common knowledge son!

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I never said how much worse one was to the other, just qualitatively, one is worse than the other when you line up all the effects, even if only slightly.

you tread water very well, very nice.

a word of advice,
if you can't cash that check,
then do NOT sign it.

COR version- just shut the fuck up before you trip and fall.

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