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Originally posted by Richard Butler A source of huge joy for me was discovering Radio 4. Don't laugh. Stephen Fry and others say it's the greatest thing there is. Just put it on and leave it on, don't turn off when you think a show will be dull, go with it. You end up in all sorts of miraculous places and learning a shed load. You also get an incredible inner calm from it - listen how uncompressed and quite and equisitely recorded everything is. Wierd, I go from pounding up to the minute techno to a Radio 4 show about seagulls or weaving.

Ah Mr. Butler my radio 4 closet loving friend

At 27 i have kept this a firm secret until now...i too have to get my daily dose of dulcet tones from radio 4 & the world service

I don't care if this makes me nationalistic; the BBC is the greatest broadcaster in history by a country mile. Only we can go from maple dancing to taxidermy & make it sound COOL

I know exactly what you mean about the recording too!! it's almost as if you can hear the air itself in the microphones, just so brilliantly captured. The intonation of the contributors & the overall pace is exceptional. I liken it to a loving grandfather, who you could sit with for hours & just listen intently to his wonderful stories

The fry is a cultural treasure! if you haven't already, i'd really recommend you give his biography (early life) moab is my washpot a read, it's one of the most surprisingly upfront books i have ever read.

Thanks for making me feel less of a freak

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Originally posted by CalvP I don't care if this makes me nationalistic; the BBC is the greatest broadcaster in history by a country mile.

Still not worth the bloody licence fee!!

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Thanks for making me feel less of a freak

Well it aint changed my opinion on you

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Originally posted by EddieZilker

Eddie i presumed this was some sort of SNL skit (i had no idea he sang) but i have to be admit, i genuinely found both songs arresting.

These two lyrics really plague me sometimes;

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Maybe not today or even next year But before you know it you'll be saying "Is this all there was? What was all the fuss? Why did I bother?"

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When do I feel I haven't failed?

Reminds me of this

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Originally posted by meriter I'm hoping I can look back on my life and not feel too much regret. So far I'm not doing all that well in that regard but I'm getting better at seeing opportunities when they present themselves and learning to trust my instincts.

I can tell you one thing for sure; it's only when i didn't listen to my gut instinct that i have found myself in trouble & regrets have manifested themselves...i have found this particularly true regarding "matters of the heart". I hope you find that advice at least worthy of a weeks free stay in your log cabin

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Originally posted by Andy28 Still not worth the bloody licence fee!!

I knew it!!! let me guess; you're only gonna pay the license fee "when you can afford" it right

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Originally posted by Andy28 Well it aint changed my opinion on you

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Originally posted by CalvP Eddie i presumed this was some sort of SNL skit (i had no idea he sang) but i have to be admit, i genuinely found both songs arresting.

He did a complete album with Ben Folds a while back, called Has Been, and a brilliant but quite insane chemist I hung out with used to play the fuck out of it. The whole concept for the title was based on a photograph he posed for with an actress who, on walking away, was overheard by Shatner to say that she hadn't wanted to take a picture with "that has been."

The whole album is pure genius with Shatner's poetry and spoken word delivery being conveyed by arguably some of the best production and musicianship I've heard. Shatner, in William Shatner's Gonzo Ballet, posits that had it not been for his wrong decisions, early on, he'd not have had the wisdom to follow through with the correct decisions that have affected his success in later life. His ventures with music is a prime example of that with his early and, by his account, misunderstood version of "Mr. Tambourine Man" juxtaposed against his later work with Ben Folds.

In a segment of the film prefaced by the sentence, "Just because you make bad decisions doesn't mean you stop making decisions." he elaborates that the songs of The Transformed Man were so devoid of their intended context, some being truncated for the sake of radio play, that it turned out to be a brutal miscalculation to have made it, let alone released it, at all. As withering as the criticism was - that his first album is essentially a cultural flag-stone for the unintentionally funny - he made decisions which allowed for Has Been to be a more considered, relevant piece of art; decisions predicated by his failure, early on.

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Originally posted by CalvP I knew it!!! let me guess; you're only gonna pay the license fee "when you can afford" it right

or when they come knocking...



begrudgingly

hapiness equals success imo.

And if you want it more specific: I'd say success is being in a place where you are happy with yourself, and the ones close to you are too.

I like how that philosophy can be applied to any context. Personal life, music, work...

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Originally posted by Andy28 or when they come knocking... begrudgingly

Ffs Andy all the variety on show & you still won't pay? holby city, eastenders, the weakest link, the one show...you'll be asking for quality programs next

Diagnosis murder ROCKS though

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Originally posted by CalvP Diagnosis murder ROCKS though

Jessica fletcher FTW!!!

To me, success is reaching or surpassing whatever goals you have made for yourself. Success, in and of itself, is subjective. What I think success is could totally not matter to you (a general "you", not directed towards anyone) and vice versa. Some people want to achieve way more than others. So I think that as long as you've accomplished whatever it is that you've set out to do, then you're successful.

A wealthy industrialist took a day trip up the coast whilst there, he chanced upon a poor fisherman, sitting with one measly fishing rod in the water, hoping for a bite. The industrialist went over and started chatting.
"Caught much?" he asked the fisherman.
"Ah, you know, I only catch a few fish each day. Enough for me and my family. They bite when they bite."

This man's low ambition and lack of imagination for grander fishing operations troubled the industrialist.
"Have you ever thought of getting a net?" asked the industrialist
"Why would I want to do that?" replied the fisherman
"Well, you'd catch more fish, quicker." explained the industrialist.
"And then?"
"Then you can sell those that your family do not need for profit!" exclaimed the industrialist
"And then?" came the deadpan response.
"Then you can invest in a fishing boat to catch even more fish," the industrialist was getting into it now.
But the fisherman couldn't see where he was going, so of course, he replied: "And then?"
"Well, then you can garner yet more profit, buy a fleet of fishing boats, operate them under a company, with employees and everything. You might not have to spend so much time fishing yourself." he said.

The fisherman scratched his head and looked at his measly rod, a little perplexed. "What happens then?"
"What happens then? Oh my god man, don't you see it?! And then, you can move to the big city, court the stock market, sell your company and become really wealthy - just like me!" huzzahed the industrialist with a triumphal snort.

The fisherman didn't seem to share his enthusiasm at all. There was a long pause. Finally the man came out of his period of reflection and said:
"And then?"
"And then, my little fishing friend, you can retire to the coast and go fishing everyday and spend loads of time with your family, sit back and enjoy life!"
�What do you think I�m doing now?� the fisherman smiled.

Great story, with a message i don't think anyone can argue with? we grow up being told success is attributed to the amount of � you earn, but what does more � really bring? it seems to bring out the worst of our human traits...greed, envy, malice etc & not to mention the considerable stress involved in managing it all & making sure nobody "screws you over".

Take the example of the bill gates foundation; the richest people on the planet essentially working all their life, then giving away all the billions they've made. Don't get me wrong, it's a wonderful cause! but it just seems a rather pointless existence to me

The lowly fisherman is suddenly starting to sound a rather attracting proposition

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Originally posted by Andy28 Jessica fletcher FTW!!!

BEST FILM EVER

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Originally posted by CalvP Take the example of the bill gates foundation; the richest people on the planet essentially working all their life, then giving away all the billions they've made. Don't get me wrong, it's a wonderful cause! but it just seems a rather pointless existence to me

I tell you want I find pointless, and thats people who collect and hoarde wealth for thier one family whilst screaming babies in Sudan this very moment are overcomes with hunger and fear. What an utterly pointless existence to hoarde a mass overshare of cash and never do I admire such people and it bugs me that we fawn over these folk say when interviewed on a chat show.

Buffet and Gates are bloody heros in my book. Bono with his billion is wealth sickens me. Why on Earth can he not make do with say �2m in the Bank and a nice house, and then use ALL of the rest to help the world.

I'm a bit ranty here, sorry.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler I'm a bit ranty here, sorry.

Rant away sir! we should have a sub forum dedicated to the rants of us poor unappreciated producers

Bono can fu*k right off, i've had enough of his preachy nonsense. 99.9% of "celebs" are parasitic egomaniacs imo. All the free time in the world & what do they do? sit on as many chat show couches as they possibly can & talk about THEMSELVES...all the causes they could champion with their profile & what do they do? chat about another god awful book, or CD re-release of a re-release with 1 special "newly recorded" bag of ass.

Buffet & co i have immense respect for; they don't have to give away a penny, but they choose to.

What i don't understand about money, is how 1 million is any different to 2 million? how can you justify needing 2 billion instead of 1? it's a truly bizarre world, especially when the biggest give it all away at the end of their life

Don't even get me started on inherited wealth either....Ivanka Trump, Paris Hilton WHY just WHY

Breathe, relax; aaaaaah that's better

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Originally posted by Richard Butler I tell you want I find pointless, and thats people who collect and hoarde wealth for thier one family whilst screaming babies in Sudan this very moment are overcomes with hunger and fear. What an utterly pointless existence to hoarde a mass overshare of cash and never do I admire such people and it bugs me that we fawn over these folk say when interviewed on a chat show. Buffet and Gates are bloody heros in my book. Bono with his billion is wealth sickens me. Why on Earth can he not make do with say �2m in the Bank and a nice house, and then use ALL of the rest to help the world. I'm a bit ranty here, sorry.

You pretty much captured my sentiments on the financial mess our world is currently in. Staggering sums of money in the possession of a few and to seemingly no good, let alone just, end.

"Behind every great fortune there is a crime."
Honore de Balzac



Thanks for the William Shatner info btw Eddie, i have the latest cued up in spotify ready to listen to

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Originally posted by CalvP Thanks for the William Shatner info btw Eddie, i have the latest cued up in spotify ready to listen to

Definitely interested to know what you think. Hopefully, I haven't over-sold it.

While I can't stand Bono or the other 'more PC than thou' crowd, I don't begrudge him his cash. He earned it and he IMO should do with it as he sees fit. If he wants to horde it while demanding that regular Joes and their Govt's across the planet cough up theirs, THATS where I have a problem with he and the rest.


My personal politics likely run contrary to many here, but I would think that anyone 'demanding' we fork over the bux better damn well lead by example. I think many would agree with that, regardless of politics.

More to the topic, Success to me is not in the 'achieving' but in simply striving for your goal, whatever that may be, and refusing to give in to all the problems and naysaying you invariably encounter. By never giving up, IMO you will achieve far more along the given path, than just getting the ultimate goal itself. In other words, if the goal was "Z", you gained "A-Y" along the way as well.

Normie
Zen Nudist

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Originally posted by CalvP Rant away sir! we should have a sub forum dedicated to the rants of us poor unappreciated producers Bono can fu*k right off, i've had enough of his preachy nonsense. 99.9% of "celebs" are parasitic egomaniacs imo. All the free time in the world & what do they do? sit on as many chat show couches as they possibly can & talk about THEMSELVES...all the causes they could champion with their profile & what do they do? chat about another god awful book, or CD re-release of a re-release with 1 special "newly recorded" bag of ass. Buffet & co i have immense respect for; they don't have to give away a penny, but they choose to. What i don't understand about money, is how 1 million is any different to 2 million? how can you justify needing 2 billion instead of 1? it's a truly bizarre world, especially when the biggest give it all away at the end of their life Don't even get me started on inherited wealth either....Ivanka Trump, Paris Hilton WHY just WHY Breathe, relax; aaaaaah that's better

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Originally posted by Normie While I can't stand Bono or the other 'more PC than thou' crowd, I don't begrudge him his cash. He earned it and he IMO should do with it as he sees fit. If he wants to horde it while demanding that regular Joes and their Govt's across the planet cough up theirs, THATS where I have a problem with he and the rest. My personal politics likely run contrary to many here, but I would think that anyone 'demanding' we fork over the bux better damn well lead by example. I think many would agree with that, regardless of politics. More to the topic, Success to me is not in the 'achieving' but in simply striving for your goal, whatever that may be, and refusing to give in to all the problems and naysaying you invariably encounter. By never giving up, IMO you will achieve far more along the given path, than just getting the ultimate goal itself. In other words, if the goal was "Z", you gained "A-Y" along the way as well. Normie Zen Nudist

I don't think anyone's demanding much of anything as much as they're noting a disparity between some haves and have-nots which causes one to question the worth of having massive amounts of cash with very little nobility to show for it.

What I meant was people Like the celebrities demanding, not anyone here.

Bono is a great example of that. He can't seem to give a concert without berating someone for not giving enough to whatever cause. There are many who do the same in Hollyweird and the music industry. The Global warming thing is the best example of that. Celebs taking private jets to exotic locales for GW 'confrences' in such quantity that the airport can't hold them all, then get on TV and tell us we have to do with less over polution concerns... as if those private jets ran on unicorn farts. These are the same people who demanded DDT be banned over questionable claims and as a result, tens of millions of people in the poorest countries have died from malaria.

That's the kind of thing that drives me nuts.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I don't think anyone's demanding much of anything as much as they're noting a disparity between some haves and have-nots which causes one to question the worth of having massive amounts of cash with very little nobility to show for it.

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Originally posted by Normie What I meant was people Like the celebrities demanding, not anyone here. Bono is a great example of that. He can't seem to give a concert without berating someone for not giving enough to whatever cause. There are many who do the same in Hollyweird and the music industry. The Global warming thing is the best example of that. Celebs taking private jets to exotic locales for GW 'confrences' in such quantity that the airport can't hold them all, then get on TV and tell us we have to do with less over polution concerns... as if those private jets ran on unicorn farts. These are the same people who demanded DDT be banned over questionable claims and as a result, tens of millions of people in the poorest countries have died from malaria. That's the kind of thing that drives me nuts.

I actually lived in a house that got bombed with DDT right before they outlawed it. Over twenty years later and I never saw so much as a roach scurrying out across the floor. It used to be an ROTC barracks near the University of Texas campus.

The book 'Silent Spring' made it out to be worse than Agent Orange, but we now know scientifically that that was all BS. Today DDT would do so much good in Africa and other poor countries.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I actually lived in a house that got bombed with DDT right before they outlawed it. Over twenty years later and I never saw so much as a roach scurrying out across the floor. It used to be an ROTC barracks near the University of Texas campus.

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