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Originally posted by Darkarbiter That's really not a good attitude to take I agree, no use just complaining, but what related issue should they be also fighting for? Same sex marriage? I'm sure lots of people are. This video also hints at fighting for "under god" to be removed from the pledge of allegience (so for instance you aren't forced to say it in court, otherwise you can't be a witness), and fighting against the prejudice of not being allowed to rent if you're an atheist. So I think if you actually watched the thing you'd realise you were wrong in that respect.

firstly, i was mocking nefardec.
secondly, nobody is forced to swear on bible in court. an atheist may affirm.
thirdly, you like the taste of dick.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN firstly, i was mocking nefardec. secondly, nobody is forced to swear on bible in court. an atheist may affirm. thirdly, you like the taste of dick.

Well I may be wrong, I was under the impression that you had to swear to "solemnly tell the truth under god" in america.

If you were mocking nefardec and I didn't realise then I'm definitely in the wrong. Sorry.

Why the hell are you discussing about religion again?

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Oh, and go fuck yourself, Mr. Bison.

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Originally posted by nefardec You're right, you should never use things you actually know about as counterexamples in debating a claim made in the OP.

See, Now you're learning. *pats on head*

And then we have Avana?

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Originally posted by Miss Pie And then we have Avana?

We should call tranceaddict, 'Approvaladdict'

I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not.
- Whoopie Goldberg


Think about it.

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Originally posted by Miss Pie I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not. - Whoopie Goldberg Think about it.

erm, my response was about your bandwagon post.

Do you honestly think that in 20 years of experiencing gender dysphoria I've not thought about this?


This thread: I'd rather be loved for who I am than hated for who I am not.

And I'd rather both of those things than either of Whoopi's two things.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter Well I may be wrong, I was under the impression that you had to swear to "solemnly tell the truth under god" in america.

Thats actually not a required part of the statement.

The only required part is "Do you swear to tell the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?"

The (you have it misquoted) "so help you god" part is not required but often said anyways in some areas.

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Originally posted by nefardec "the most hated and mistrusted minority in the united states" uh, no. that would probably be transgender people.

And yet, furries. Right? Right.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On And yet, furries. Right? Right.

Haha yes, you're right.

And I know of transvestic and transgender furries as well

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Originally posted by Alex Also Meat, she has a script to ignore people! Better watch out broski!

Why do ppl still say she??

The penis is still there...

I would at least wait for the full, nasty surgery..

Then maybe...

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Originally posted by VDub Why do ppl still say she?? The penis is still there... I would at least wait for the full, nasty surgery.. Then maybe...

That's great, good for you. As it turns out most of the world, including every US government organization calls me 'she', and it makes you look like a bigoted asshole.

Keep up the brilliant work

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Originally posted by nefardec That's great, good for you. As it turns out most of the world, including every US government organization calls me 'she', and it makes you look like a bigoted asshole. Keep up the brilliant work

Thats cause they're skerred...

You have a penis. You are a male. A he. Period (which you'll never get)...

And I'm not bigoted at all. I don't dislike you for how you identify..

I think you're messed up, but then, aren't we all???

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Originally posted by VDub Thats cause they're skerred... You have a penis. You are a male. A he. Period (which you'll never get)... And I'm not bigoted at all. I don't dislike you for how you identify.. I think you're messed up, but then, aren't we all???

Whatever you want to believe. Just know you come off as a cave man.

Google "cissexism". Your name should be in the definition.

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Originally posted by rdevito Why the hell are you discussing about religion again?

It's our favourite pastime around here. Here's how it works: atheists claim religion sucks and/or religion is responsible for everything that ails humankind, then most religious members either ignore the attacks and the counter-arguments written by their most inarticulate fellows, next the atheists feel lofty because their superiority appears to be proven, and finally Moral Hazard puts everyone to their places. Or something like that. Being Brazilian myself, I'm just the resident hippy counter-antitheist atheist... but even I can't be arsed to join these discussions any longer.

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Originally posted by nefardec Whatever you want to believe. Just know you come off as a cave man. Google "cissexism". Your name should be in the definition.

You can call me whatever you like. Just know that it has to go both ways...

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"Cissexism" is the belief and treatment of transgender and/or transsexual people as inferior to cissexual (non-trans) people.

Nope.. Name's not in there...

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Originally posted by VDub Nope.. Name's not in there...

looks like you can't read what I write either.. i said it ought to be there. ooga booga!

'[cissexism] is the belief that transsexuals' identified genders are inferior to, or less authentic than, those of cissexuals."

sounds an awful lot like

'... is the belief that atheists' beliefs are inferior to, or less authentic than, those of theists."

'... is the belief that black humanity is inferior to, or less authentic than, that of whites."

'... is the belief that homosexuals' identified sexualities are inferior to, or less authentic than, those of heterosexuals."

nope, you're not a bigot. step outside your cave sometime. the world changed while you were stuck inside watching shadows.

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Originally posted by nefardec looks like you can't read what I write either.. i said it ought to be there. ooga booga! '[cissexism] is the belief that transsexuals' identified genders are inferior to, or less authentic than, those of cissexuals." sounds an awful lot like '... is the belief that atheists' beliefs are inferior to, or less authentic than, those of theists." '... is the belief that black humanity is inferior to, or less authentic than, that of whites." '... is the belief that homosexuals' identified sexualities are inferior to, or less authentic than, those of heterosexuals." nope, you're not a bigot. step outside your cave sometime. the world changed while you were stuck inside watching shadows.

Dude, I don't believe in any of what you've posted. Where do you get this impression??

All I've said is that if you have a dick, you're a he. It doesn't matter what you want to be...

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Originally posted by VDub All I've said is that if you have a dick, you're a he. It doesn't matter what you want to be...

It does

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

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Originally posted by VDub Dude, I don't believe in any of what you've posted. Where do you get this impression?? All I've said is that if you have a dick, you're a he. It doesn't matter what you want to be...

what you're saying is suggesting some sort of natural law that should structure individual identity and culture at large, equivalent to someone saying

"All I've said is that if you have black skin, you're inferior. It doesn't matter what you want to be... "

"All I've said is that if you don't believe in god, you're immoral and going to burn in hell. It doesn't matter what you want to believe... "

maybe that you don't believe in these two statements will help you understand how ridiculous you sound.


what you don't seem to understand is that 'he' and 'she' are concepts that are separate from 'dick' and 'pussy'. yes, i was born with a penis. but a 'man' is more than a penis, a 'man' or a 'woman' is a more or less normal constellation of cultural expectations, roles, behaviors, fashions, etc. this is known as 'gender'. smarter people than you have collectively determined that if you have a dick, all that means is you have a dick. gender identity varies. and in many places around the world there are more than two genders officially recognized.

if you had any level of intelligence whatsoever, you'd also recognize that there are additional sex characteristics besides genitals - namely, namely sex hormones, secondary characteristics such as breasts, proportions, body hair patterns, etc. By these definitions a transgender woman such as myself could hardly be called "male".

Additionally, neurological research shows that the brain functions of transsexuals closely match the brain patterns of their identified sex, suggesting a biological basis for gender identity disorder.

But really because we're talking about language, it's not about biology - it's about identity, and communication, and respect. When you use the word 'he', it shows that all you care about communicating is what kind of genital I have at the moment, which is a total assumption anyway considering we have not met, and you sure as hell have not seen up my skirt. This is why I have called you a cave man: to you anyone's actual gender identity is unimportant, because you only refer to them as 'how make sex with'.


and on a side note, i think one of the reasons that discrimination against transgender people and cissexism is so rarely discussed is because most people take gender so for granted that they don't even realize it. Gender is one of the last remaining cultural 'truths' in society. Racial hegemony fell. Religious hegemony fell. Patriarchal hegemony fell. Sexual hegemony fell. And cissexual hegemony will fall too.

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Originally posted by Miss Pie It does http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

nonsense!

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