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Originally posted by Miss Proximus You have just proven my point Mike

yup. and uve just proven mine

good

now that that's out of the way....back to the topic...back to homophobes

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Originally posted by Miss Proximus now that that's out of the way....back to the topic...back to homophobes

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Originally posted by Miss Proximus I agree that this board is filled with homophobes and I think it's pathetic.

and what about Arachnophobic people. Are they pathetic for being fearful of spiders? Its not pathetic to hav a phobia of something. Its pathetic to be racist yes.. but not to hav a phobia

I generally don't have a problem with people using the term gay in a derogatory term, as long as its not directed to homosexuals. The reason for this is that gay doesn't technically mean homosexual, and even if it did the way everyone uses it and percives is is not saying homosexuals are bad, but rather thats just shit. My parents are freinds with some homosexual guys, they were at my house one day and I called my freind gay, and then I was like oh shit there here, and they didnt care it doesn't bother them etc, so it really shouldnt bother us :P

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike and what about Arachnophobic people. Are they pathetic for being fearful of spiders? Its not pathetic to hav a phobia of something. Its pathetic to be racist yes.. but not to hav a phobia

Well, in a way, it IS pathetic. you see, having a phobia means you have an irrational fear of smth. And irrational means you don't have a legitimate reason to fear it. Therefore still fearing it, after you've been told there's nothing to be afraid of, is pathetic
How mean is that huh

See, I'm slightly afraid of flying. Aerophobia is actually a rational fear, as flying isn't rational for a human being. However, flying in an aircraft is perfectly safe, so, if I still have Aerophobia after I've been explained how incredibly safe flying is, I develop a phobia. An irrational fear of flying.

Anyhow, the word pathetic can be interpreted in several ways I believe.
Pathetic can mean you feel sorry for that person.
Pathetic can also mean you think that person IS a sorry-ass

As for homophobes, to me the second option counts. How irrational can a fear be!! You see, the classic homophobe is a person that is actually a homo him/her self , but (due to various reasons) is too afraid to admit it! Why would you be afraid of revealing your true identity!
Secondly, no gay person will just jump on you and rape you, so that's where the fear is irrational too! See, being a homo isn't contageous! Speaking of which..it isn't even a disease! It's who you are!

But still..if you want to be afraid of people that are differently...suit yourself. Just, for the sake of human intelligence and respect, keep it to yourself

alright, now that the heat is off sothis and i

na j/k.....mikey mike, never met ya, but i've met proxi and i can truly say she is one cool ass girl! so i gotta back her up on this one. definantly not a "loser", but i do think its "gay" (tehehe, i crack myself up) how you just used the BEST comeback ever (sarcasm, its fun! )

and i thought this thread was about not using the term gay, not homophobia...different things in my mind, but ah well

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Originally posted by Miss Proximus Well, in a way, it IS pathetic. you see, having a phobia means you have an irrational fear of smth. And irrational means you don't have a legitimate reason to fear it. Therefore still fearing it, after you've been told there's nothing to be afraid of, is pathetic How mean is that huh

yes and another definition is:

"A strong fear, dislike, or aversion." ie. not irrational

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Anyhow, the word pathetic can be interpreted in several ways I believe. Pathetic can mean you feel sorry for that person. Pathetic can also mean you think that person IS a sorry-ass

it was pretty obvious what context you were using the word "pathetic" in so why bring this up?

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Secondly, no gay person will just jump on you and rape you, so that's where the fear is irrational too! See, being a homo isn't contageous! Speaking of which..it isn't even a disease! It's who you are!

what the hell are u talking about.. of course this happens. Its not just woman that get raped by men u no. If there is a homosexual going round in your area raping men (and believe me this does happen more than u'd think) then you would quite rightly be more cautious.

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But still..if you want to be afraid of people that are differently...suit yourself.

since when does being gay make you different from others?

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike what the hell are u talking about.. of course this happens. Its not just woman that get raped by men u no. If there is a homosexual going round in your area raping men (and believe me this does happen more than u'd think) then you would quite rightly be more cautious.

You know bloody well () that I'm not talking about that.
Shit, I would be totally blind if I would deny the fact that some homosexual people are rapists too. But if THAT's what you fear..then shouldn't all women have a phobia of men?
I feel many homophobic men feel all homosexual men are hitting on them..simply being nice to get to strip their pants. And THAT'S what I feel is irrational. I am a woman, but I'm most definitely NOT attracted to all men on the planet, so why on earth would homosexual people be attratcted to ALL people of their own sex? See my point?

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike since when does being gay make you different from others?

haha! you tried to nail me down on this one huh? but you didn't succeed!! you would''ve nailed me if I said homosexuals aren't NORMAL, like heterosexuals....but guess what..I didn't say that

Being gay certainly makes you different from others, since not every human being IS gay...just as being black makes you different from being white, being a woman makes you different from being a man...see what I mean?

Now...amaze me again Mikey

btw..Pat, you are one coolass guy

Mayday 2003?

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Originally posted by Miss Proximus [quote] You know bloody well () that I'm not talking about that. Shit, I would be totally blind if I would deny the fact that some homosexual people are rapists too.

ok my bad. i didnt really read into what you said enough.

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But if THAT's what you fear..then shouldn't all women have a phobia of men?

if it is known that there is a rapist in the area then of course. That was the point i was making. What i was saying is that it isnt totally unacceptable to be homophobic if you hav good reason to be.

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I feel many homophobic men feel all homosexual men are hitting on them..simply being nice to get to strip their pants. And THAT'S what I feel is irrational.

i can assure u that there are a hell of a lot of men out there that just chat women up to get into there pants. What makes you think its any differnt when a man comes onto another man.

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I am a woman, but I'm most definitely NOT attracted to all men on the planet, so why on earth would homosexual people be attratcted to ALL people of their own sex? See my point?

fair point

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you would''ve nailed me if I said homosexuals aren't NORMAL, like heterosexuals....but guess what..I didn't say that

i no u didnt. But u may as well hav. You said they are "different" which we can all draw conclusions from this that you meant gay people are different. Well.. i got news for ya. They arent.. there just like me, you, and pretty much every other wanker in the world. What you could hav said is that there "sexuality is different" not that they are.

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Being gay certainly makes you different from others, since not every human being IS gay...just as being black makes you different from being white, being a woman makes you different from being a man...see what I mean?

just to further my point above, not everyone has blonde hair but u wouldnt call them different would you?

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike if it is known that there is a rapist in the area then of course. That was the point i was making. What i was saying is that it isnt totally unacceptable to be homophobic if you hav good reason to be.

I just have to agree with you on that! If people wouldn't be afraid if there was a rapist around they'd be ignorant fools!
Just a some people that think they can't get into an accident while driving

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike i can assure u that there are a hell of a lot of men out there that just chat women up to get into there pants. What makes you think its any differnt when a man comes onto another man.

That's not different at all! I'm just saying no one should assume all homosexuals are always hitting on all people from their own sex. See, I have seen many people (men mostly) that think that. And I have many gay friends that laff in their face cuz they have better taste than to hit on those men

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike i no u didnt. But u may as well hav. You said they are "different" which we can all draw conclusions from this that you meant gay people are different. Well.. i got news for ya. They arent.. there just like me, you, and pretty much every other wanker in the world. What you could hav said is that there "sexuality is different" not that they are. Just to further my point above, not everyone has blonde hair but u wouldnt call them different would you?

You right about the way people can draw conclusions about it. I shoudl know by now that people can take smth very differently than how I meant it

Anyhow, I think I should have put it differently.
See, I meant, all black people have a different coloured skin than white people...all blonde people have different coloured hair than all brown haired people, all homosexuals have a different sexual preference than heterosexual people, all italians have a different language than japanese...etc etc

haha boy, I really should take a shower now. I smell gay j/k

Woah... this has turned into Quite a debate, there are so many points to address. but first of all, it's good to see that a quite a few of you agree with me, not so good that a few of you have turned around and said, that's me...deal.
First of all it doesn't bother me that much if someone is joking around, saying suchand such is gay, sometimes it's funny. I feel on this Message board in particular it's used way to much, and for the wrong reasons. Another point brought up was that term is used to describe something 'lame' but doesn't suggest that being gay is lame WTF?? of course it does. You are giving meaning to the word. And someone else said the word Gay means happy, so as a Homosexual i shouldn't be offended by it being applied to other thing. OK then example:
"Tiesto's new Style is so Gay, he needs to sort it out."

Am I supposed to believe this is a positive comment?

Anyway, i just wanted to make people aware of the atitudes of somepeople, and i'm really not interested in naming and shaming. I know that people aren't going to change the way they speak, but at least I have made some aware of it.

Thanks for all the people who have supported me

oh> And on a closing Note. I am the most 'normal' man you will meet, sexual preference has nothing to do with it at all. That's my business.

hhmm....
i think sometimes ppl use it to be defensive and other times they just use it for the sake of it....
i am not fussed with it being used... but thats just me
i do agree with JMF [TrAcId] however...

n TA's remember...
ppl r personalities not sexualities

thats my 2 cents worth...

come on people, relax
what's wrong with calling something or someone gay? it just means happy check your dictionary

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Originally posted by DJ_ALFA come on people, relax what's wrong with calling something or someone gay? it just means happy check your dictionary

wtf

I hate it when you have a good discussion and some people treat it as if it's a random flamewar

Thanks to Mikey_Mike I wasn't bored today!! At least he gave me some stuff to think about! Unlike some other people in this thread (dumbasses)

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Originally posted by DJ_ALFA come on people, relax what's wrong with calling something or someone gay? it just means happy check your dictionary

OK..again I'll point something out for you.

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And someone else said the word Gay means happy, so as a Homosexual i shouldn't be offended by it being applied to other thing. OK then example: "Tiesto's new Style is so Gay, he needs to sort it out." Am I supposed to believe this is a positive comment?

well seems to me that 99% of the people on here are 'gay'

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Originally posted by nadi I generally don't have a problem with people using the term gay in a derogatory term, as long as its not directed to homosexuals. The reason for this is that gay doesn't technically mean homosexual, and even if it did the way everyone uses it and percives is is not saying homosexuals are bad, but rather thats just shit. My parents are freinds with some homosexual guys, they were at my house one day and I called my freind gay, and then I was like oh shit there here, and they didnt care it doesn't bother them etc, so it really shouldnt bother us :P

I agree with nadi, I think it's bad when it's directed at homosexuals in a derogatory fashion but in general language I don't mind it...only because...

• I think it may have started as being derogatory, and although it does still mean lame, I Personally Believe that it has lost it's links with sexuality and is now just another adjective
  
• And being just an adjective I don't find it insulting because nowadays I never even think of sexuality when I see "Tiesto's new style is gay", I just think "oh well, bad set" It's not like a think "Hmm that set was as disgusting and terrible as a homosexual"!!!!???!!!!
  
• Also I know a couple of homosexual guys (4), and yes I know not everyone's the same, but they all say Gay as well because it's just an adjective now it seems, I've said "Shit that's soo gay" and then looked at them and they're like "Dun worry" and 10 mins later one of them says "Look at that gay car" I'm like WTF and they all said they say it all the time without thinking about it, cos it's just a word
  

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Originally posted by Hybrid Junkie [*]And being just an adjective I don't find it insulting because nowadays I never even think of sexuality when I see "Tiesto's new style is gay", I just think "oh well, bad set" It's not like a think "Hmm that set was as disgusting and terrible as a homosexual"!!!!???!!!!

OMG - LMAO at this, I appreciate your comments, and I totally understand where everyone is coming from with this, as I said, essentially I'm not that bothered with the use of it, i just wanted to make people aware of the effect it can have, and how it's become a standard in the Vocab of many people because of hatrid and dislike.

At least i know i have given a few people something to think about, and that was the main point of the post in the first place - and i was bored while waiting for my Download of the new Halloween Movie to finish :P

Damn, I'm getting involved in this thread a little late...hopefully there'll still be some people reading.

IMHO this is really more an issue of respect than anything. People who respect a group simply won't use a deragatory term for them, even in a light-hearted manner, period.

I understand that gay has somehow become a slang term for shite in the Americas (and other places apparently) but that still doesn't make it right IMO.

I'm a queer myself, and though the usage doesn't offend me outright, I *have* noticed that it flies around a lot on TA, anyone who's gay would.

I just look at this from personal experience...I would *never* use a term like chink, ******, etc. because I think it shows disrespect to the ethnic group in question; just as I think the way gay is used on here, and in other places shows disrespect to homosexual people.

I was just on a trip to Europe with a large group primarily made up of Americans and I couldn't believe some of the rascist shite that was flying out of people's mouths...comments to the effect of "terrorist" directed at Islamic people, and a ton of "Nazi" comments while we were in Germany.

That kind of blind ignorance disgusts me to no end. The world is a pretty large place, I think there's plenty of room for everyone to do their own thing without stepping on each other's toes.

A lot of gay people will laugh stuff like this off, but I think most of them, when you get right down to it, *are* bothered my it, but either start using the terms themselves, or feign indifference so they don't "cause problems" or what-have-you with their mates.

I can understand the fact that a lot of people have grown up with gay being used, and that breaking out of the habit doesn't seem like it's worth the effort, but I still don't agree with it. The usage, like any other deragatory slang, *does* show disrespect whether you intend it to or not; and by continuing to use it you *will* appear to be something that I don't think a lot of you are, ignorant.

Just my 2 cents on the matter...

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Originally posted by JMF [TrAcId] I'm not one to have a moan, or rant about things. but something on this forum has really started to annoy me. This being the way that some Message Board members use the term 'gay' as an insult. I don't know what it's like in America or Canada, but here in the UK it's not done - it's almost Homophobia. Infact it is Homophobia, you are using the term Gay to describe a Bad, or a Lame thing, ie. 'he's so gay for liking gangtsa rap..' whatever. I find it offensive, and uncalled for, and maybe you should all think about what you are saying before you hit submit. And before you all ask, Yes, I am Gay. (seems like i'm the only one?) Rant over, you can all go back to your business.

hello justin

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR hello justin

Hello Ste surely you have more to say on the matter than that?

CortexBomb>>Some nice points there, it's nice to know I'm not alone.

IMO there is no need to get all het up. Its jes something people always call each other expescially in england. I don't think there is much u can do. I know i call people gay every now and again, its jes one of those things.

I am afraid we do not live in a perfect world!

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Originally posted by sykadelik IMO there is no need to get all het up. Its jes something people always call each other expescially in england. I don't think there is much u can do. I know i call people gay every now and again, its jes one of those things. I am afraid we do not live in a perfect world!

Might be one of those things in Huddersfield, but it ain't anywhere else, English people seem to have more respect for people.

A lot of thought has gone into this thread by the looks of things but aren't you reading too much into it?

The next time I hear a derogatory term from anybody on this forum like "This track is straight" I'm gonna go apeshit.

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