Hey, doesn't my TTT get any love!? Posted by itsamemario on Aug-31-2011 14:09:
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Originally posted by Lira
Hey, doesn't my TTT get any love!?
You probably said something 'offensive' so she's put you on ignore.
For what it's worth, I thought she was very nice on the stage with the singing and the dancing and the clapping of the audience.
Posted by Lira on Aug-31-2011 14:33:
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Originally posted by dj_alfi
You probably said something 'offensive' so she's put you on ignore.
Unlikely, we've chatted a while ago in amicable terms, I don't see what I could have said/done that would be offensive to anyone Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Aug-31-2011 14:39:
It's not about what you say, Lira, it's about how you say it. Or write it.
Posted by itsamemario on Aug-31-2011 15:40:
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Originally posted by Lira
Unlikely, we've chatted a while ago in amicable terms, I don't see what I could have said/done that would be offensive to anyone
Yeah, that was the joke.
Posted by Lira on Aug-31-2011 16:14:
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
It's not about what you say, Lira, it's about how you say it. Or write it.
And the colour? I've always wanted to write in orange, but lacked the motivation to do so.
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Originally posted by dj_alfi
Yeah, that was the joke.
Oh
I took you seriously because, although we've always been able to sort these problems out just fine, I did say a thing or two that I wish I could take back because it was downright improper, specially when I tried to take a stab at "Cor Humour", but that's about it Posted by itsamemario on Aug-31-2011 16:32:
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Originally posted by Lira
Oh
I took you seriously because, although we've always been able to sort these problems out just fine, I did say a thing or two that I wish I could take back because it was downright improper, specially when I tried to take a stab at "Cor Humour", but that's about it
Haha, don't stress it Posted by nefardec on Aug-31-2011 16:51:
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Originally posted by Lira
Unlikely, we've chatted a while ago in amicable terms, I don't see what I could have said/done that would be offensive to anyone
don't worry, you will never be on ignore.
my gf likes enydos posts because he makes fun of me in a jocular way. and she has a weird sense of humor that appreciates the nonsensical ramblings of the ATL set
Posted by nefardec on Aug-31-2011 17:14:
Posted by Lira on Aug-31-2011 18:48:
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Originally posted by nefardec
don't worry, you will never be on ignore.
Oh, wait, that's right, mods can't be ignored, I forgot that rule existed
Anyway, I really think you would like the TTT I posted because she's got not just one terrific voice - but two! And she makes me all warm and confuzzy on the inside
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Originally posted by nefardec
my gf likes enydos posts because he makes fun of me in a jocular way. and she has a weird sense of humor that appreciates the nonsensical ramblings of the ATL set
I was actually trying to get your attention rather than hers Posted by nefardec on Aug-31-2011 19:21:
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Originally posted by Lira
Anyway, I really think you would like the TTT I posted because she's got not just one terrific voice - but two! And she makes me all warm and confuzzy on the inside
oh yeah i've seen that video. TBH i feel it's a little transploitative given the venue. but at least her voice(s) is good.
Posted by itsamemario on Aug-31-2011 19:31:
I'm pretty sure you can't call it exploitation when you sign up for a contest fully knowing the rules and setting surrounding it. And it's not like anyone beside her knew she was a trans-X (I don't speak thai so I don't know where on the scale she was), so how were they exploiting her for being a trans-x?
Or did you mean she exploited the fact that she was a trans-x to get further in the contest than she would have under "normal" circumstances?
Posted by nefardec on Aug-31-2011 20:48:
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Originally posted by dj_alfi
I'm pretty sure you can't call it exploitation when you sign up for a contest fully knowing the rules and setting surrounding it. And it's not like anyone beside her knew she was a trans-X (I don't speak thai so I don't know where on the scale she was), so how were they exploiting her for being a trans-x?
Or did you mean she exploited the fact that she was a trans-x to get further in the contest than she would have under "normal" circumstances?
yes, she totally did, and in doing so that way she made it OK for everyone else to undermine her and other transgender people. this makes her gender look like 'an act' versus her true self. it perpetuates a negative view that many people have against transgender people. in thailand transgender women are accepted as a separate class called 'kathoeys' so long as they fit into and likewise accept a certain set of social expectations. they don't have actual civil rights protections in thailand - for instance, they are not legally recognized as anything but their birth gender even after sexual reassignment surgery. most are forced to work in menial professions like beauty salons, sex work, cabaret, and manual labor.
a lot of people like to bring up thai 'ladyboys' (itself a pejorative term meant to disparage) to make the argument that thailand accepts transgender people. a lot of people in the transgender community hold this belief because they are very open in thailand, and there are is a big industry around it (sex work, tourism, sex tourism, surgery, entertainment). the reality is they are simply institutionally marginalized and exploited, and many all buy into it because it gives them some semblance of acceptance even if it is a lesser acceptance.
so when i see this kind of video, i only see a tragic reinforcement of social stigmas. it's kind of the transgender equivalent of malcolm x's 'house negro'.
please remember this is only my opinion and i don't speak for all transgender people. in fact my opinions are even relatively marginal within that community.
Posted by nefardec on Aug-31-2011 21:53:
Posted by itsamemario on Sep-01-2011 03:05:
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Originally posted by nefardec
What. The. Fuck.Posted by Zyklon_Jay on Sep-01-2011 03:23:
my gf is watching rupaul's reality show right now...these bitches are scary!
Posted by Desiderata on Sep-01-2011 03:26:
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Originally posted by dj_alfi
What. The. Fuck.
No doubt, reminds me of some sort of Tribal Double Dutch Ritual...
... just waiting for a girl to jump in and start singing as she jumps to The Dixie Chicks - Iko Iko
Posted by Lira on Sep-01-2011 03:28:
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Originally posted by nefardec
this makes her gender look like 'an act' versus her true self.
You really think so? My view to this video can be summarised in three sentences:
Wow, she's got a beautiful voice.
She's kind of cute too.
What the hell!? Amazing!!!
So I don't think it's any sort of betrayal to her true self... if there's anything such as one's "true self", that is.
Posted by nefardec on Sep-01-2011 05:03:
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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
my gf is watching rupaul's reality show right now...these bitches are scary!
drag race? definitely not trans. plenty of scary trans hos out there though.
i live for raja and raven
Posted by nefardec on Sep-01-2011 05:21:
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Originally posted by Lira
You really think so? My view to this video can be summarised in three sentences:
Wow, she's got a beautiful voice.
She's kind of cute too.
What the hell!? Amazing!!!
So I don't think it's any sort of betrayal to her true self... if there's anything such as one's "true self", that is.
i don't think she's betraying herself, i said she gives the wrong impression to a worldwide audience about transgender women in order to get ahead. of course, like you said, she is talented either way, so as far as a vocal musical competition goes this is irrelevant.
but i still see it as an exploitative gimmick.
Posted by Quazar on Sep-01-2011 08:38:
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Originally posted by nefardec
don't worry, you will never be on ignore.
my gf likes enydos posts because he makes fun of me in a jocular way. and she has a weird sense of humor that appreciates the nonsensical ramblings of the ATL set
Either one or both of them MUST work for Adult Swim (their HQ is in Atlanta). Every time I've seen an Adult Swim bump recently I sit there thinking "Yup, Ted Promo and Enydo".
