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Originally posted by Salem ELECTRIC DAISY LAS VEGAS has allready surpassed 90% percent of the European festivals, 300 000 people through the gates. Crazy line up. It will only get bigger and become king. One hell of a party, i was there and will be there next year mother ******s

attendance just means its a bigger cesspool

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Originally posted by rizo attendance just means its a bigger cesspool

Qft!

Hitler and stalin had millions that supported them, it shows that people are stupid and follow the crowd like sheeple

Nothing beats tomorrowland. ID&T in general I have so much more respect than Insomniac.Sure they make more money but with attentance numbers now the same at near 150-200k, Insomniac I bet you wont try to catch up on production and the event grounds. They will remain as is and just add more monitors or lighting. No US event even has a proper stage design. Just trusses really. And sound is much better. EDC was good this year but it still felt american - to say it that way i guess.

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Originally posted by element-y Nothing beats tomorrowland. ID&T in general I have so much more respect than Insomniac.Sure they make more money but with attentance numbers now the same at near 150-200k, Insomniac I bet you wont try to catch up on production and the event grounds. They will remain as is and just add more monitors or lighting. No US event even has a proper stage design. Just trusses really. And sound is much better. EDC was good this year but it still felt american - to say it that way i guess.

look @ this line up for all 3 days vs insomniac all 3 days no way they can compete wit tomorrowland EDC is like that kissfm concert wangotango compared to this. Tomorrowland brings out the big guns while EDC brings out the pop acts

http://www.tomorrowland.be/cms/en/line-up/friday

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Originally posted by nima86 look @ this line up for all 3 days vs insomniac all 3 days no way they can compete wit tomorrowland EDC is like that kissfm concert wangotango compared to this. Tomorrowland brings out the big guns while EDC brings out the pop acts http://www.tomorrowland.be/cms/en/line-up/friday

best stage obviously being the tranceaddict stage!!!

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Originally posted by Salem support North America if you live here for fuck sakes.

I'm pushing them to try harder.
The # of attendees does not make it better. DUDE, watch these videos and tell me Tomorrowland doesn't it make you want to go super bad!!

So lets say they sell just 100,000 tickets to EDC. That is about 8 million in profits before DJs and rent and all.

These guys make a TON of money off each event. Put a little back in! Don't defend them just cuz they book some cool artists and sell lots of tickets.

Give me several million and lets see what I can do with it!! I'd reinvest some of it in YOUR experience!!!!

I know it's not 100% fair to compare these videos, but Insomniac didn't put out a cool After-video either.....

The biggest problem the US faces when throwing festival type events is really our own culture. We, as a country, have the population, money, and ability to throw festivals all the time everywhere; but no one wants to take chances in terms of building an interesting lineup. There's literally hundreds of dance music festivals during the summer all over the UK and Europe with what feels like more and more popping up every year.

European culture combined with the countries' sizes (maybe their proximity to one another?) must make it easier. I dunno...maybe we just stink

I think Bas and Bjorn pretty much summed up the best reasons why this could never happen in the US.

the vibe and music def better over there

http://www.dancetrippin.tv/video/ri...unwaves-romania

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Originally posted by bas European culture combined with the countries' sizes (maybe their proximity to one another?) must make it easier.

I think you're onto something here. It is very easy and cheap to get around europe with all of the budget airlines running now days. Couple that with the fact that Europeans get much more vacation time than americans and you can easily see how more people would be able to jet-set their way over to a cool festival or three during the summer.

Another thing to think about is that the population of europe is almost three times that of the US despite the areas being about the same.

This thread is depressing.

Fucking hardstyle...

I love how they have all these close ups of pretty girls but the (very short) crowd shots show it's the biggest sausage fest of all time.

SO TRUE!

anyone wanna venture a guess as to what is spent on production and artists for something like EDC las vegas? im gonna go ahead and say something like 15-18 MILLION.........and i know im not totally off base

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Originally posted by drEamer anyone wanna venture a guess as to what is spent on production and artists for something like EDC las vegas? im gonna go ahead and say something like 15-18 MILLION.........and i know im not totally off base

I believe the $20M figure was thrown out in an article on Pasquale a few months ago

I agree with the fact number of attendees shouldnt matter when it comes to differentiating your overall festival appearance. The burning man art is neat, the rides are neat. But then the stages fall flat. Its always more rotating lights and more monitors. But lets at least go with themed stage designs. Cover up the trusses at least. EDM events here do focus a lot on artists ill give them that - regardless if its focusing on top 20 djmag artists or overall. This is crowd catering specific and isnt the issue. But simple stuff like a non rectangular steel stage with rotating heads and monitors would be a great start. Doesnt take much effort to be creative. And hell, keep the set pieces for repeat.

Will insomniac be ID&T - hell no.
Can they put more effort in some more unique stuff to differentiate itself from lets say if Ultra had rides - most definitely.

Say they drop 30 million on the total cost of the event....
Say they 100,000 tickets over the weekend.

I think this would sum up the result:

at 240 bucks a ticket, minus what they have to pay to the ticket seller, they wouldnt even make money......

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Originally posted by neskryk I believe the $20M figure was thrown out in an article on Pasquale a few months ago

http://www.insomniac.com/reports/EDC_Las_Vegas_2011.pdf

Okay... I'm surprised that you are comparing it to Tomorrowland. Maybe you chose it since it is outdoors and has a similar lineup.

Bar none, I've always felt that the mid-2000's era Sensation stages set the bar as the best overall productions. Ocean of White (Sensation 2008) comes to mind.



Water, Pryo, Fireworks, etc. The whole package done beautifully. FYI, for those that don't know ID&T bought Q-Dance a number of years ago as a subsidiary. The point: make branding for the "light" genres ID&T and the "Dark" genres Q-Dance.

Anyways, while I'd love to see it here soon, I doubt we will. Not because it can't happen, but because I liken the current state of affairs in the US to the early days of ID&T for someone like Insomniac. Insomniac has larger crowds because the audience isn't budding like it was when ID&T surfaced in the 1990's with Trance Energy and what not. ID&T rose to the top of the promotions crews out there, and Insomniac is legitimately working its way there on a national basis. Ultra is a festival thrown realistically by a music label. EZoo (Made Events) is essentially a one off; and Made has no national presence.

We are slowly seeing a move into themeing though in a very different way in the US. We theme on technology rather than "festival identity" right now. The gimmicks on display at various events last year are evidence of that. I'm talking about the massive LED "wall" that was EDC's mainstage and the "moving stage" at Coachella.

Also, and this is a point often missed, but remember that US laws are much stricter than those over in Europe. It's the reason we see fewer lasers and that we see tighter regulations on pyrotechnics and fireworks. Themeing isn't impossible, just needs to be understood that it wont ever be "the same."

One thing I hope does not happen at US massives: the annoying MC that always seems to be at the big festivals. I understood the Lil Jon thing at EDC in LA (He was only working with 3 artists that were playing in LA at the time).

With White Wonderland, it is becoming apparent that Insomniac is attempting to move into a more ID&T like world imo. Whether they pull it off or not, we can only wait and see.

On an aside, I go to the events to enjoy the music and DJs. The production values are always a neat attempt at the massives I've been to, even the smaller ones that work with room dynamics as best as possible where I've had friends play.

I will agree though... ID&T... there is no one like them anywhere else in the world and my goal is to hit up some of the parties they throw at some point in my life.

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Originally posted by darthseph Okay... I'm surprised that you are comparing it to Tomorrowland.

Because it's current.

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Originally posted by drEamer anyone wanna venture a guess as to what is spent on production and artists for something like EDC las vegas? im gonna go ahead and say something like 15-18 MILLION.........and i know im not totally off base

Sounds about right. This is taken directly from the Economic Impact Report.

"Expenditures by Insomniac in direct relation to EDC 2011 totaled $13.1 million. This amount includes a variety of expenses, including but not limited to, equipment rental, security, transportation, food and drink, and insurance. Because this report quantifies only the economy impact of the event on the local economy, we have excluded all expenditures that would most likely be spent outside of Clark County. This includes any fees paid to performers."

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Originally posted by DjWoody Sounds about right. This is taken directly from the Economic Impact Report. "Expenditures by Insomniac in direct relation to EDC 2011 totaled $13.1 million. This amount includes a variety of expenses, including but not limited to, equipment rental, security, transportation, food and drink, and insurance. Because this report quantifies only the economy impact of the event on the local economy, we have excluded all expenditures that would most likely be spent outside of Clark County. This includes any fees paid to performers."

Performers likely got about 7+ million
right? How many really big names were there?

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Originally posted by Tosh Performers likely got about 7+ million right? How many really big names were there?

looks like there were 40-50 djs per day, not including the other performers. 7 mill would be ~45k/dj avg

e: i don't know how or if this helps, but there you go

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