I've known about this for a while now. I could get behind this if it were more organized and had a more specific message or set of messages. Perhaps if it continues, as they planned on being there for months in their original statement, they will realize they need more structure. A little ironic considering what they're protesting, but right now it just looks like a group of irate hippies to outsiders.
Posted by aNYthing on Sep-21-2011 09:29:
I call bs, perhaps someone with yahoo acct can confirm/deny?
highly doubt anyone would waste their time blocking emails in the states manually. there is no need for the gov to issue an order (under patriot act?) to do so.
i blame SpamAssassin (or the yahoo equivalent)!
Posted by cl0wnz0r on Sep-21-2011 10:24:
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Originally posted by AdagioforString
So if people want to demand anything they can demand them:
1)Double tariffs on all imports
5) Regulate Derivatives, Securitized Products using CFPB
9) Re-instate Mark to Market Rules (FASBE)
10) Investigate Flash Trading Program Schemes (Goldman Sachs)
26)Regulate Hedge Funds (ability to sell off American Assets)
34)Reverse the recent Federal Reserve operations QE 1,2 & POMO
35)Reveal the Financial Books of Federal Reserve
43)Create a special winners tax on JP Morgan & Goldman Sachs
46)Address the DOLLAR problem as world�s reserve currency
53)Reframe Greed as an illness found in the DSM-IV
1. no. chain effect on our trading partners who will do the same to us immediately. good luck buying bread.
5. already happening. this statement is too broad just like it was in the final version dodd-frank.
9. mark to fantasy still exists. you should be arguing to get rid of it.
10. why does everyone think GS is behind may 6th? why don't you blame waddell and reed as the report clearly indicated? or blame trillium and jane street for quote stuffing? HFT is nothing new and has been happening for decades, just the magnitude increased with lowered cost colocation at Nasdaq's datacenter in NJ.
26. lol what? it's their money on margin. what are you regulating? they keep the markets fair by shorting. stop them from doing business and you increase instability in the markets.
34. are you serious? do you understand basic economics? you wouldn't have electricity to turn on your computer if it weren't for the Fed's decisions. do you even know how much it would suck if we had deflation in this country?
35. flow of funds report is your friend. http://www.federalreserve.gov/relea...urrent/data.htm - have fun reading!
43. yea! let's tax a commercial+investment bank and and independent investment bank! i hope you like paying more for everything, because these costs will trickle down to consumers immediately and solve nothing.
46. sorry, but maybe you can explain an alternative to using the most stable currency besides the pound and is not a derivative currency based on the deutsche mark? you realize world currencies are fiat money?
53. reframe PLUR as an illness too then. come on man, it's a natural human emotion that clearly even YOU feel.
please do your research next time.
Posted by Bobby Fist Pump on Sep-21-2011 11:36:
Maybe if they went to work instead of hang out in the street they wouldn't be so poor?
Although I am kinda pissed the .99 bags of chips are a 1.09 now. Thanks a lot wall street.
Posted by Konijn on Sep-21-2011 12:53:
some of my students have been going to this daily (which is ironic 'cause they're mostly business majors...).
protests work best when you have a specific/tangible aim in mind (repeal a law, highlight something like an incident of brutality, etc.): these kids are there protesting "the growing inequality in America." nice sentiment, but it's so vague it ain't accomplishing shit.
Posted by euphoria on Sep-21-2011 13:08:
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Originally posted by aNYthing
I call bs, perhaps someone with yahoo acct can confirm/deny?
Oh shit, I was wondering why none of my emails would load yesterday!!! WTF!
Posted by SebG on Sep-21-2011 13:49:
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Originally posted by lounger540
I've known about this for a while now. I could get behind this if it were more organized and had a more specific message or set of messages. Perhaps if it continues, as they planned on being there for months in their original statement, they will realize they need more structure. A little ironic considering what they're protesting, but right now it just looks like a group of irate hippies to outsiders.
I do agree with you on this. There is no specific message or a target.
Posted by matt167698 on Sep-21-2011 13:52:
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Originally posted by lounger540
I've known about this for a while now. I could get behind this if it were more organized and had a more specific message or set of messages. Perhaps if it continues, as they planned on being there for months in their original statement, they will realize they need more structure. A little ironic considering what they're protesting, but right now it just looks like a group of irate hippies to outsiders.
Hey man I understand where you're coming from but if you have the time it's worth putting an extra body down there for support. Hopefully it's in its early stages and will continue for sopme time for a more cohesive message to come together.
Here's to hoping for a surge this weekend.
I urge everyone who's sympathetic to this this cause to donate a few hours of their time this weekend (or anytime if you don't work) and help give the movement a larger physical presence. No signs/crazy shit needed....
Posted by AY STAR on Sep-21-2011 13:54:
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Originally posted by SebG
I just don't understand Why the police have to be so violent.
some cops are just straight up jerkoff's who feel they are above everyone
remember this beauty?
as for the whole protest, not much is going to change wall street will keep gettin bailed out etc etc theres not much the average hippy can do about it
what i really find horrible is that the goverment keep's giving these guys money along with their bonuses etc etc but they wont give the firefighter or emt who was down there a few blocks away saving lives and searching for victums on 9/11 the proper medical coverage they deserve
Posted by matt167698 on Sep-21-2011 14:04:
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Originally posted by Konijn
some of my students have been going to this daily (which is ironic 'cause they're mostly business majors...).
protests work best when you have a specific/tangible aim in mind (repeal a law, highlight something like an incident of brutality, etc.): these kids are there protesting "the growing inequality in America." nice sentiment, but it's so vague it ain't accomplishing shit.
I was a School of Mgmt major at Boston University and work in an advertising agency. I know the first thought when people hear protests is that its a bunch of hippies - the crowd was relatively diverse over the weekend but the weekday hardcore campers will be the unemployed/hippie types just because they can be there at 2pm on a Tuesday.
The best we can hope for is them to hold the fort during the week (and hopefully continue to grow) with surges during Fri-Sun.
There are some specific policy aims:
1) Income Tax equality and closing loopholes (why am I taxed at nearly 30% when hedge fund managers are taxed at 15%?)
2) Reverse Citizens United and the nonsense of Corporate Personhood and implement campaign finance reforms (McCain-Feingold at a minimum)
These are things many people agree with (white and clue collar types)... Hopefully specific goals will crystallize... Remember that this has only beeing going on for 4 full days... I think it's done pretty well considering.
Posted by SebG on Sep-21-2011 14:06:
quote:
Originally posted by AY STAR
some cops are just straight up jerkoff's who feel they are above everyone
remember this beauty?
as for the whole protest, not much is going to change wall street will keep gettin bailed out etc etc theres not much the average hippy can do about it
what i really find horrible is that the goverment keep's giving these guys money along with their bonuses etc etc but they wont give the firefighter or emt who was down there a few blocks away saving lives and searching for victums on 9/11 the proper medical coverage they deserve
I agree on the cops. Not all of them are bad though. I have few friends that are cops and they tell me stories and how a lot of those people shouldnt have a badge and a weapon. Its pretty bad.
100% Agreed. Like the banks, wall street is too big to fail, unfortunately. They rather bail out the rich, rather than the average citizen/worker. Its a fucked up world we live in.
Although some of the wealthiest in america (Warren Buffet,Steve Jobs) are actually starting to do something about this (bigger taxes on themselves)...
Posted by EarnYourKeep on Sep-21-2011 14:21:
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Originally posted by edubbz
damn!! if only i knew about this, i'd be right there protesting against this shitty ass fucking government i abundantly hate!!!
actually the anarchy has been going on for some time now and it sounds as if Wikileaks is what started it. Followed by Anonymous and Lulzsec (4chan), a few weeks ago SF's BART got hit with similar protest, now onto Wall St?
Not sure where this ends or where it's going but there has been a large scale uprising going on around the world from London now here in the states.
Arm yourselves, when shit gets real you don't want to be that guy standing around in the streets.
Posted by Lufelia on Sep-21-2011 14:59:
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Originally posted by SebG
Mainstream media are purposely "blacking out" this event.
It wasn't so much the media coverage or lack thereof, but the police barricading the shit out of Wall St, hence me not seeing any protestors despite living right there. I only realized yesterday they're all at Zucotti Park. And TBH what do you want the media to report on? Their numbers aren't really newsworthy (yet) and like everyone said, they don't exactly have the most cohesive message (yet). Most of the protestors I saw yesterday had signs up about Troy Davis, which has nothing to do with Wall St.
that a stupid comment. Your taking whats happening in the vid out of context. a A bunch of hippies standing somewehre there not alowed to be, the refuse to move, cops arrest them.
(Pause) no problems yet right>?
Hippie where gonna save the world kids refuse to move again or be arrested civially, cops DO THERE JOB and follow through with the rest
Hippe where gonna save the world kid screams like a little bitch a wines that whats going on is hurting him to draw attention to himselff) kid scrapes his hand of the floor and has a minor cut
HAHAHAH hilarious
I agree with there message I just dont believe these small civil protest do much of anything unless you have ALOT of people and its VERY organized. look at the unions... now they know how to rock the house with these types of civil protest.
Posted by edubbz on Sep-22-2011 04:37:
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Originally posted by EarnYourKeep
actually the anarchy has been going on for some time now and it sounds as if Wikileaks is what started it. Followed by Anonymous and Lulzsec (4chan), a few weeks ago SF's BART got hit with similar protest, now onto Wall St?
Not sure where this ends or where it's going but there has been a large scale uprising going on around the world from London now here in the states.
Arm yourselves, when shit gets real you don't want to be that guy standing around in the streets.
i saw/read somewhere that a similar protest like this was taking place in DC about a week or so ago...hopefully there will be an uprise with a clear message to create waves across america bc this country has become a total contradiction for what it was founded for by these greedy, self-concerning POS!
Posted by lounger540 on Sep-22-2011 05:21:
Here's one message they could add.
A corporation getting equal protection under the law as an individual without any of the moral ramifications we as a species rely upon. i.e. Corporations are sociopaths
At this point I think I'd rather just get a finance degree and a flag pin for my lapel and join them.
Posted by matt167698 on Sep-22-2011 18:38:
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Originally posted by pyro264jb
that a stupid comment. Your taking whats happening in the vid out of context. a A bunch of hippies standing somewehre there not alowed to be, the refuse to move, cops arrest them.
(Pause) no problems yet right>?
Hippie where gonna save the world kids refuse to move again or be arrested civially, cops DO THERE JOB and follow through with the rest
Hippe where gonna save the world kid screams like a little bitch a wines that whats going on is hurting him to draw attention to himselff) kid scrapes his hand of the floor and has a minor cut
HAHAHAH hilarious
I agree with there message I just dont believe these small civil protest do much of anything unless you have ALOT of people and its VERY organized. look at the unions... now they know how to rock the house with these types of civil protest.
Not allowed to be? I'm pretty sure this was taken in Zucotti park which is a public space and legally they have a right to be there... and most have been released without charges (except a couple of people charged with loitering and wearing a masks and writing on the sidewalk with chalk - obviously a threat to society) To me baseless arrests of protestors for the sake of intimidation is clearly a tactic of a police state.
The protest is quite small and extremely disorganized at the current moment but theres other little ones sprouting up around the country. who knows...
Posted by Bobby Fist Pump on Sep-22-2011 18:57:
quote:
Originally posted by matt167698
who knows...
Who knows what? What are they trying to accomplish?
Posted by Frequency Frank on Sep-23-2011 03:16:
This thread is making me sick.
2 weeks after the 10th anniversary of 9/11, and everyone shits on cops for being power mongering idiots. Sure, they aren't perfect, and of course there are some that are a disgrace, but they've done plenty to keep all of us safe in this city. They see things that nobody in the world should have to see, and are expected to be 100% perfect at all times. Give me a break.
If that doesn't grind your gears enough, I also work basically on wall street. They protestors there will give a dirty look to anyone who's wearing a tie, not knowing that most of the people actually GOING to work while they're out there screaming about things they don't understand are NOT well off, and if they are, they didn't get there by accident. I've seen exactly how much time and effort goes into making that kind of money on the market, and it is NOT easy. Most people who work as investment bankers and similar fields work like 18 hours a day, and while they're not curing AIDS, but they're still working damn hard for their money. I've also met a lot of execs through work, and aside from generally being very humble, most of them work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. It's not like they sit back and just collect a check. I'll never understand why people want to break down companies that provide jobs to hundreds of thousands of people. I'm a registered dem and in favor of taxing the truly elite amongst us, but when I see things like "behead him/her and/or blow shit up", well, let's just say it doesn't make me sympathize with the more extreme points of view.
*breathes out*
Posted by edubbz on Sep-23-2011 13:10:
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Originally posted by Frequency Frank
This thread is making me sick.
2 weeks after the 10th anniversary of 9/11, and everyone shits on cops for being power mongering idiots. Sure, they aren't perfect, and of course there are some that are a disgrace, but they've done plenty to keep all of us safe in this city. They see things that nobody in the world should have to see, and are expected to be 100% perfect at all times. Give me a break.
when you have some level of authority, MOST of them will take advantage of that!! i could have some type of respect for them, and for VERY few i do, but in most cases not even a grain of sand..simply bc they abuse the power that's given to them- they, like everyone else, are NOT above the law but they seem to think otherwise. when will you ever see someone thats guilty of rape, shooting/killing an armless innocent victim, and many other countless crimes and STILL manage to get a free pass out of jail?? um, never! does their good justify their bad?? i'd hope not! its obvious they can't be 100% perfect at all times, the same way a christian can't be a saint n 100% sinless...
point-blank, don't abuse the authority thats rightfully given to you in order to serve the community and keep us safe bc THAT'S your job- its NOT given to you to be above ANYONE else!! however, 99% of them seem to believe they are and for those that think they are..i have absolutely NO respect for, therefore, i have one thing to say to them...
FUCK THE COPS!!!!!
Posted by EarnYourKeep on Sep-23-2011 17:44:
OccupyChicago is about to pop off - follow the trend and you'll see they are up at the Sear's Tower and are about to set out to March.
Posted by lounger540 on Sep-25-2011 00:40:
Not really sure what's going on in the beginning but near the end this one cop randomly pepper sprays a whole crowd of people. looks like at least one was a photographer not even yelling out anything. Bad cop, not donut.
Posted by matt167698 on Sep-25-2011 03:03:
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Originally posted by lounger540
Not really sure what's going on in the beginning but near the end this one cop randomly pepper sprays a whole crowd of people. looks like at least one was a photographer not even yelling out anything. Bad cop, not donut.
I was there today - seemed to be a ton of people and everyone i talked to said it was bigger than last week. Lots of support from onlookers (as well as some amused looks)... but lots of people cheering us one from windows, double-decker buses, cabbies, and random people. A decent number of people actually joined us in our march... IWas ALMOST arrested barely jumped over the front of the orange netting and kettled along with 80ish other protesters who were arrested. I saw NYPD being physically aggressive the entire time, many times while walking past supporters they would hip check them nearly knocking a few right to the ground.
This video is worth checking out (at around :55s you see an officer shoving people who are OBEYING their orders!)
