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i like this video.

JayT has always been outspoken. I don't know him personally but I can vouch that even up until a few years ago he was calling ppl up inviting them out to certain club nights -- and these are ppl who hadn't 'clubbed' on the regular for a few years. So, he put his work in.

In terms of bottle service, I agree that it has ruined 'clubbing' somewhat in Toronto -- I'm not against booths just the practice of squeezing them into as many places as possible with some clubs barely having a dancefloor. Times change but as an example: I can't imagine FTWK Wednesdays at Tonic having been anywhere near as good if half the club was set up for bottles. When it works financially you can't really be surprised at the trend continuing. Between bottle service and ppl playing/taking pics on their phones it is surprising that any dancing still happens at all

Agreed on the promotional aspect too, hand-to-hand flyering is a nearly extinct breed and standing out from the crowd now often just means having as many different (fb) promoters as possible inviting you to the same event.

Don't know the situation with local DJs but the reason the names mentioned are still around is because they've been dedicated, professional and are/have been affiliated with popular venues. Early bird gets the worm and when they started out as (vinyl) DJs it was "unique"... now everyone calls themselves as a DJ since the barriers to entry (due in part to the internet/social media) are non-existent. Prior, if you were to be known as a DJ, it was a combo of word-of-mouth, playing at the right events and/or securing a respected residency.

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Originally posted by jon jon the traktor/beatmaching argument is so 3 years ago lol this guy gonna tell Richie Hawtin he's not a DJ? what about Marco Carola? please

You're 100% right...however I think the argument is moreorless someone who is not as advanced using that tech by advanced I mean in the capacity that they use it...he's talking bout 100$ djs not tech Gods like Richie and Marco, or even seasoned Toronto vets who use that tech.

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Originally posted by Swamper

Hell just froze over...onboard with everything you said.

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Originally posted by Swamper JayT has always been outspoken. I don't know him personally but I can vouch that even up until a few years ago he was calling ppl up inviting them out to certain club nights -- and these are ppl who hadn't 'clubbed' on the regular for a few years. So, he put his work in.

more like stalking girls..I remember people complaining about his phone calls on another site years ago

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I don't see why everyone thinks Bottles are "ruining the Toronto scene". We all know clubs do it for monetary reasons (and they are businesses, so who can blame them) but go party in Vegas, Miami, NY or LA.. in most of those cities you won't even get into a club if you don't have a booth or a group of good looking women, or you'll pay upwards of $100 on a regular night. And all things considered, Toronto isn't even THAT bad for bottles unless you're rolling on Richmond St, at least there's still underground clubs like FW and CZ you can go to, hear great tunes and have a good time without all the nonsense

As for the laptop argument i don't think he is calling out DJ who uses a laptop, but rather the problem is that a lot of young DJs resort to technology as a means of not learning how to beat-match and taking shortcuts, so that's fair

That being said this guy still sounds like an old twat who needs to enjoy his twilight years cause posting angry video rants on youtube with his dumb "OMG YOU KIDZ GON GET SKOOLED!" attitude isn't exactly helping the scene either

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Originally posted by turpentine Vegas, Miami, NY or LA..

This is exactly what we're trying to avoid here.

I really wish Jay T would come back to save the Toronto club scene with more sick parties like he used to throw at Fluid



Sick brah !!!

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Originally posted by LightsOut This is exactly what we're trying to avoid here.

LOL you beat me to it... Vegas club layouts are disgusting these days. How you can have a "club" with a capacity of 3000 and a dance floor for 200 is beyond me.

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Originally posted by LightsOut This is exactly what we're trying to avoid here.

Well as mentioned that isn't the case with Guv, FW, CZ, or any of the venues where most talent gets booked anyway. You can go pay a $20 cover max and have a good time without tables and all that BS. If you were to go to see the exact same DJs in any of those cities you'd have no choice but to suck it up, so i don't understand the complaining.. Toronto has a good thing going all things considered

Toronto has it good compared to NY, LA, Vegas & Miami....

...but in all fairness, that's not really saying too much.

I think the important thing to note in all this, is that's its generally agreed upon that Toronto circa 1998 (or, even 2004) was a hell of a lot better then Toronto circa right now. Speaking solely about partying (atmosphere, amount of venues, crowd, vibe, affordability).

We have a lot of good things going on here (better then anywhere else in North America except maybe Montreal), we're just trying to keep it like that. People have started to see these things fade a little in the last couple years and can't help but speak up about it. Can't blame them.

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Originally posted by LightsOut Toronto has it good compared to NY, LA, Vegas & Miami.... ...but in all fairness, that's not really saying too much.

lol it says a lot

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Originally posted by turpentine Well as mentioned that isn't the case with Guv, FW, CZ, or any of the venues where most talent gets booked anyway. You can go pay a $20 cover max and have a good time without tables and all that BS. If you were to go to see the exact same DJs in any of those cities you'd have no choice but to suck it up, so i don't understand the complaining.. Toronto has a good thing going all things considered

How old are you? And have you done any serious clubbing in Toronto within the years of 00-07?

Guv, FW, + CZ clubs are not what JayT is referring to. Those clubs have never had any problems ruining the Toronto scene. it's everything else he referring to.

But those clubs are not the clubs that hold up the clubscene financially. Tourists who come to Toronto don't always hit up those clubs unless they even remotely search up clubs that play good EDM. Otherwise, they'll probably go to some mainstream club downtown.


People may think JayT is washed up or doesnt know what he's talking about or even should go back to his time.... yes I agree...

But they crazy people are crazy for a reason. Maybe because he makes a point.

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Originally posted by Special K I really wish Jay T would come back to save the Toronto club scene with more sick parties like he used to throw at Fluid Sick brah !!!

Whatever brah, like you ever went to one of his Friday night parties! HAHA


Actually, about 7 years ago we celebrated your bday @ FLUID on Sunday... with Max Graham and Mark Oliver!


Don't make me post the picture son!

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Originally posted by jon jon lol it says a lot

lol I'd prefer if we didn't have to compare ourselves to the lowest common denominator in order to come out on top

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Originally posted by Dior Homme Whatever brah, like you ever went to one of his Friday night parties! HAHA Actually, about 7 years ago we celebrated your bday @ FLUID on Sunday... with Max Graham and Mark Oliver! Don't make me post the picture son!

Ah yes ... a SUNDAY night event with max graham and mark oliver was alot different then jay t's lame friday + saturday night parties !!!

ps. I totally forgot about that night! But i'm pretty sure I remember being it good messy times

pps. It was actually 9 years ago, during the glory days of prog

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Originally posted by geroin i dont understand the money vs dj argument. What does the amount of money have to do with anything? if a person plays for a smaller fee and plays well what is the issue? Also if someone that is just starting out, how is he going to achieve any kind of level without doing shitty gigs with shitty pay (or no pay at all)

the $100 number isn't scientific, more symbolic i guess. you're right, if you're just starting out you need to start somewhere. the issue is djs who are past that point, but resort to undercutting just to "win" the gigs which then makes the people hiring them think that this should be the going rate (as opposed to thinking in terms of the quality of the act and paying accordingly). it's exacerbated by the fact that now, most can skip steps that vinyl djs considered vital to the art.

also, when i started spinning (and maybe this is just my experience but whatever), you would be hired to play the night open to close, as opposed to being slotted in between other djs and spinning 1.5-2 hours only. $100 for 4-6 hours of djing, pretty bad money unless you're just starting out and need the live gig practice. i was spending at least $100 a week on new vinyl just to keep up, and that was me being conservative because i was just starting school and basically broke as it was. and this wasn't that long ago, im only 25. it's just that i got into spinning before final scratch and serato became the more or less the standard, and whether or not you think using these kinds of programs are legit, it still comes down to "do you have the basic skills to be a dj in the proper sense, or are you taking shortcuts that are doing nothing except allowing you to undercut those who actually have taken the time necessary to learn those skills"

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Originally posted by Special K I really wish Jay T would come back to save the Toronto club scene with more sick parties like he used to throw at Fluid Sick brah !!!

yo, you forgot to post the one where girls are taking their tops off and getting showered in whipcream, and some shots girls under their skirts and you could see they are not wearing any underwear, i enjoyed those fridays @ fluid in my fake id days.

back then I used to go by the name of hugo sanchez in the club

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Originally posted by geroin i enjoyed those fridays @ fluid in my fake id days.

all ages and fake id clubbing were some of the best times...ahhh memories

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Originally posted by LightsOut lol I'd prefer if we didn't have to compare ourselves to the lowest common denominator in order to come out on top

in what alternative universe do you live in? lol

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Originally posted by Dior Homme How old are you? And have you done any serious clubbing in Toronto within the years of 00-07? Guv, FW, + CZ clubs are not what JayT is referring to. Those clubs have never had any problems ruining the Toronto scene. it's everything else he referring to. But those clubs are not the clubs that hold up the clubscene financially. Tourists who come to Toronto don't always hit up those clubs unless they even remotely search up clubs that play good EDM. Otherwise, they'll probably go to some mainstream club downtown. People may think JayT is washed up or doesnt know what he's talking about or even should go back to his time.... yes I agree... But they crazy people are crazy for a reason. Maybe because he makes a point.

14. wtf does my age matter. and yes, i lived and clubbed in toronto for 10 years up until last october

so what is it you want? more underground house clubs for the tourists? you want Richmond street to shut down, not sell bottles and play underground music? or are you just bitching because things aren't like they used to be? believe it or not TA represents less than 1% of the people who go clubbing and a lot of people actually ENJOY the whole top40, bottles, etc scene. so let them. the point is that you are in no way forced to deal with it, if you want proper music, good times, no BS, go to one of the mentioned clubs. if not stay home and let the top40 clubs cater to their crowd, who cares. the reason they exist because there's a demand for it. maybe its not your scene, but you're 1 person in a world of 6 billion.

unless you're telling me top40 bottle clubs are taking business from Guv, FW, etc, then i don't see a problem. there's enough clubs around in TO for everyone to do their own thing and be happy as opposed to most major metro cities where you'd have no choice, so fuck off your pretentious 40 year old "back in the day" nonsense and just be happy with what you've got

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Originally posted by geroin yo, you forgot to post the one where girls are taking their tops off and getting showered in whipcream, and some shots girls under their skirts and you could see they are not wearing any underwear

lol

lol @ "yo"

LOL!

Come on JJ, NY LA LV and MIA are the epitome of the bottle service, go to a club to look cool, and to be seen, culture. Toronto has its problems, but we're miles and miles better then that, always have been. Just saying that comparing ourselves to those places and coming out on top, doesn't really mean too much.

It's like saying: "Yay! we're better then Oshawa." (obviously an over exaggeration, but you get the point)

Not saying you can't find an awesome party occasionally in those places, Miami during WMC or a blkmarkt event in NYC for example, just the collective attitude as a whole. Same thing here, we have great parties (more frequently), thank god for FW, Wrongbar, Platform, Bok, etc., but collectively the city is much different now then years past.

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