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Re: What's the best way to leave headroom?

Bend your knees slightly and tilt your head downwards.

Re: Re: What's the best way to leave headroom?

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Originally posted by dj_alfi Bend your knees slightly and tilt your head downwards.

fucking lol

Fuck me, there's a lot of bollocks in this thread.

First, read my thread:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...92#post10249892

It explains exactly why you should not ever pull down the master fader except for one very specific quick circumstance.

We also went in to the whole plugin/32 bit float debate in another thread - the bottom line is that even though you should in theory be able to overload any plug and just pull down another subsequent fader in the chain like the master, it doesn't quite work like that for the negative reasons stated in the thread above, and because of the way that some plugins are programmed (not to mention how many doe not give the same result twice for the same input source).

You also don't want to do it for reasons of proper gain staging (think about what happens to the relative levels of any groups/sub groups/sends/inserts etc).


Simply put your master should be at a set standard (i.e K system), and you should mix your channels so you get as hot a signal as possible without clipping the master when summed or individually. That's what mixing is about.

make sure u have proper gain staging, and cut eq's rather than boost.

cutting vs boosting a matter of opinion, two eqs in series , one boosting , one cutting will produce the same phase shift and return the original signal. There is no technical reason to cut rather than boost. This was an issue in the analog realm.

boots to add what you like, cut what you don't like. Pretty simple.

Check for peaks that could be causing the clipping, and mix everything down again from scratch with nothing on the master.

"Most DAWs" operates in 32 bits float. This means you can go up 0db without distortions. It will convert room not used to use up 0 db and this will not saturate anything, you're digital...

So you can sequence with small red light with no problem...

When rendering the song you can lower the Output channel level and make them peaking less than 0db...

Simple no?

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Originally posted by cristianokeller "Most DAWs" operates in 32 bits float. This means you can go up 0db without distortions. It will convert room not used to use up 0 db and this will not saturate anything, you're digital... So you can sequence with small red light with no problem... When rendering the song you can lower the Output channel level and make them peaking less than 0db... Simple no?

No.

See my post above. If you lower the output channel, you're fucking your monitor reference calibration and gain staging. Secondly, plugins don't always behave the way they are meant to meaning you could have a different result or unwanted distortion introduced.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Finally, regardless of if you can get away with it, it's good practise to mix so you have no overs and proper gain staging - if you ever go to a real studio and try that shit they'll eject you in seconds.

most pros use 24 bit over 32 float.There is no gain in definition. 32 float just assumes you can't mix.AsRann mentioned , some plugins will clip internally, not sure if that is a reality now but i still think the sony oxford bundle will clip.

What's up with all this lowering output channel, floating point bullshit? Just learn how to mixdown and you won't get clipping. Stop making it more complicated than it needs to be.

Set your Master fader to 0dB and bring down the levels of all your other channels/grouped channels until you get approximately 6dB of headroom in the mix. This is preferable to simply bringing the Master fader down and then rendering from there.

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Originally posted by OOPS! And by the volume channels do you mean the mixer channels or the knobs on the step sequencer? Any difference?

I'm sure we covered that in another thread

It's all about signal path: the knobs on the step sequencer are at a different (earlier) point in the signal path than the mixer channels, plus the mixer channels can handle multiple sounds from the step sequencer - and even multiple mixer channels can handle sound from the same step sequencer sound!

Sometimes there won't be a difference, other times there will. I'd really recommend learning more about how signals are routed through a system and how the order in which things occur can affect the sound.

Whether or not there is any difference depends on whether the effects in the path are linear or non-linear - and I mean 'effect' in the looser sense of 'anything that changes the sound' rather than just plugin effects, so that would also include gain stages, clipping, summing, noise on analogue signals, etc


Example:

In a digital system, gain is linear until the level reaches 0dBFS (it clips), at which point it becomes decidedly non-linear. As long as your signal doesn't clip at any point, if you just had a series of gain/attenuation stages in your signal path, it doesn't matter which order they're in - the output signal will be the same. The same goes for EQ.

But as soon as you add a compressor, which is non-linear, the order starts to matter. The linear stages before the compressor can still go in any order without changing the sound and the linear stages after the compressor can go in any order without changing the sound. But if a linear stage is moved from before the compressor to after it (or vice versa), there may be a difference in the sound.

The volume knobs on the step sequencer in Fruity are gain stages right at the start of the signal path. It then goes through a number of stages controlled by the Channel Settings box, before being routed to a mixer channel. It then still goes through all of the plugin effects before it reaches the mixer fader, which is another gain stage. If all of the stages in between are linear and the signal doesn't clip, there (theoretically) won't be any difference between making a change with the volume knobs on the step sequencer and making a change with the mixer fader. If any of the stages in between are non-linear, then there may be a difference.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney most pros use 24 bit over 32 float.There is no gain in definition. 32 float just assumes you can't mix.AsRann mentioned , some plugins will clip internally, not sure if that is a reality now but i still think the sony oxford bundle will clip.

I sometimes crank my master channel up, render it in float, then normalize it. I don't really do that now though... it's just cause I was lazy.

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