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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney to succeed in that business, you will have to market yourself as well. Everything just gets harder. BaSically I would say if you can't make it in EDM and you gave it a very serious go, you won't really make it anywhere else. It is the easiest niche to get into and succeed.

well that's the thing i have not really tried to break out in edm but i do see your point it would be a lot easier i guess. i can see making music for the love of it is a great thing but I'm finding it uninteresting to make so you see what I'm getting at.

writing music to films and tv fills that void i guess.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney those types of underscores are the worst kind of music to ever have cursed this planet. Just awful. Hollywood churns out some shit but some of the stuff on TV. Yikes.

full for the masses

you don't get to write what you want if you plan to do films or tv. You don't make tracks and then sell them. You are hired to make something very specific and if your work is rejected early on in your career,well goodbye career. Having a score rejected even as an established composer can knock you back 10 years. It is that finicky.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney you don't get to write what you want if you plan to do films or tv. You don't make tracks and then sell them. You are hired to make something very specific and if your work is rejected early on in your career,well goodbye career. Having a score rejected even as an established composer can knock you back 10 years. It is that finicky.

True but I've only seen it happen twice, and both times those directors were dickheads.

I know the studio can sometimes knock it back, over the choice of the director, but most directors/producers/studios choose composers based on a certain product they know they're going to get from that composer. Then once they've got the gig, at least from the projects I've been involved in, the scoring process is quite heavily monitored by the director/music supervisor and they give a lot of input (or at least have the score "sold" to them) so they are happy with the end result.

The only other time I've seen it get knocked back was when the composer and director fell out, and the whole project just got messy.

True though about writing specific material for other people - it's basically musical prostitution. You can put some of your own heart in to it, but you're still doing just what the client wants.

remember the wolfman debacle ? draaaaama. Don't know the exact details. I know his orchestrator pretty well and he mentioned the studio was being idiotic. THey hired elfmann, got a typical elfmann sound then start to get all hey, maybe we can like make this true blood with vampires and shit.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney remember the wolfman debacle ? draaaaama.

Oh shit. Yep, that was a proper clusterfuck. The studio totally fucked that one up though and from what I hear Danny told them to go fuck themselves in the end. Didn't it end up with like 5 guys getting credited for the final score?. Haslinger took a kicking for that one.

You should have seen the debacle around one film - said dickhead suddenly realises he hates the score the day they go to dub, after personally supervising the whole thing and tries to get anyone else to re-score it with 11 days before release. Pisses a bunch of people off and studio has to go in to damage control to appease everyone. Director ends up getting a new score done for the Euro release that gets rejected by studio, and pisses the new composer off too. Nothing like hollywood egos to fuck up a score.

i think i will just make downtempo music instead cos i dont plan on moving to new york anytime soon unless loony cloony puts me up on the sofa lol just kidding.

NYC is not really a place to start. It is more competitive than LA for the simple reason that there is less work and since all the major schools are on the east cost, talent. I lucked out. Well luck and knocking on every door very loudly.

LA was/is a nightmare. Way too many douche bags per square inch.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney NYC is not really a place to start. It is more competitive than LA for the simple reason that there is less work and since all the major schools are on the east cost, talent. I lucked out. Well luck and knocking on every door very loudly. LA was/is a nightmare. Way too many douche bags per square inch.

you get them everywhere plenty here in england to london being were the action is mainly.

but its fucking annoying the one thing im good at is so hard to do

but in NYC, people mind their business and stay out of yours. In LA, everyone is trying to make sure you are hip to how happening they are. Nobody will talk to you unless you are a springboard in their career. Really hard to actually make real friends outside of work.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney In LA, everyone is trying to make sure you are hip to how happening they are. Nobody will talk to you unless you are a springboard in their career. Really hard to actually make real friends outside of work.

This is a lot more widespread than just LA imo.

LA is just in another league. I mean only in LA. I mean you ever meet tommy lee or see him talk. ,That is actually pretty normal which is fucked up. Look move to say Burbank, and you will see. And the city is disgusting. A big concrete slab.

I guess you're probably right when you look at it like that. No way I'd wanna live there, lol.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney LA is just in another league. I mean only in LA. I mean you ever meet tommy lee or see him talk. ,That is actually pretty normal which is fucked up. Look move to say Burbank, and you will see. And the city is disgusting. A big concrete slab.

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Think about it.....

New yorkers all drink the Haterade over LA because they just can't deal. The difference with LA is that you can't just be good at marketing, you have to be smooth, something the NY'ers just can't get around.

LA appreciates outgoing people - and I don't mean overtly/obnoxiously gregarious - that streotype is for the tourists but if you're an introverted or socially awkward personality type, out here you'll fade in to your own shadow before you know it.

I can tell you I met more genuine and truly nice people that I now consider close friends in my first 6 months in LA, than I did while living in NY for a whole year. Most successful people NY have this intense combination of being super uptight, paranoid about what others think, yet deadly afraid that everyone is about the screw them. Not a welcoming place and it only gets worse the higher the ladder you climb. Love to visit, could NEVER live there full time.

Oh, and I have done recording sessions with Tommy - he's actually a really nice bloke and down to earth. Sure a little bit wide, but then again if you meet anyone from a legendary rock band, he's actually quite normal these days.

And LA's only a slab if you don't know where to go I would say, more so than any city I have ever lived or been to, you need to find the insider tips and scratch beneath the surface to find out what it's really like - the fake and superficial BS you see on TV isn't anything at all like the real LA.

naw man

it is the way they dress
the way they talk
the lack of culture
they aren't outgoing, they are abrasive overconfident dickheads. Seems i've been called that before hmm.

People being friendly ? They want something. At least people in NY don't bullshit you.

What i mean by Tommy Lee is that whole LA accent way of talking. People do not value the finer things in life. People have no style. Of course I was raised in montreal which is NY but smaller. And congrats for being in his presence for more than 10 minutes. Painful.

LA sucks. And NYC is way more hectic so i don't think it is not being able to deal. Well yes, I cna't deal with idiots and LA is like ground 0 for them.

I like fashion
I like culture
I like food
I like literature
I like good looking people that are not fat
I like intellectuals
I like champagne
I have season tickets at the met,

LA is also the ugliest city in USA, You can't deny that. And all those pockets of poverty. Its just not a nice place. I don't know how you feel at home. And the bathhouses there suck

LA is rather deficit in many of those things. And to be honest, people are outgoing because they have this delusion that everyone wants to hear them speak. No I know people enjoy my banter so that is different but some people , too many people in LA need a muzzle.

And the drivers. I mean ok in NY, people honk, but you will be at drive thru and this bitch behind you in an SUV, fat as fuck, is honking and you sort of point that there is a car in front. Can't move. she says, it doens't matter. lol

Look i'm not saying everyone. Just alot. alot.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney naw man it is the way they dress the way they talk the lack of culture they aren't outgoing, they are abrasive overconfident dickheads. Seems i've been called that before hmm. People being friendly ? They want something. At least people in NY don't bullshit you. What i mean by Tommy Lee is that whole LA accent way of talking. People do not value the finer things in life. People have no style. Of course I was raised in montreal which is NY but smaller. And congrats for being in his presence for more than 10 minutes. Painful. LA sucks. And NYC is way more hectic so i don't think it is not being able to deal. Well yes, I cna't deal with idiots and LA is like ground 0 for them. I like fashion I like culture I like food I like literature I like good looking people that are not fat I like intellectuals I like champagne I have season tickets at the met, LA is also the ugliest city in USA, You can't deny that. And all those pockets of poverty. Its just not a nice place. I don't know how you feel at home. And the bathhouses there suck LA is rather deficit in many of those things. And to be honest, people are outgoing because they have this delusion that everyone wants to hear them speak. No I know people enjoy my banter so that is different but some people , too many people in LA need a muzzle. And the drivers. I mean ok in NY, people honk, but you will be at drive thru and this bitch behind you in an SUV, fat as fuck, is honking and you sort of point that there is a car in front. Can't move. she says, it doens't matter. lol Look i'm not saying everyone. Just alot. alot.

OK, I'll give you the driving - the moment it rains, you might as well be in a third world country full of blind people with no feet or hands.

On the other stuff though, got to disagree:

ART - The contemporary art IS LA right now - it's blowing up and and had more new galleries open in the last year than London Paris and NY combined. Hauser & Wirth, darlings of the modern art scene in Europe, had to close and downsize their UK operation only to start a new venture in LA.

Fashion - it's just a different thing, yes it's more laidback here but whether you're talking trends (hipsters etc) or high fashion (all the major stylists live here) LA at least holds it's own, if not more, to NY right now. Most of my friends work in fashion, everything from $400 T-shirts to Red carpet evening wear.

Good looking people? You're kidding right? LA vs NY in terms of good looking people? I don't even need to go there.

Food - the whole gastro thing has got huge here in the last two years - from Venice to Burbank, new eateries are popping up everywhere. Fuck, there's a new, more expensive than the last, restaurant opening every other night here. I can't keep track. How many gordon ramsay restaurants are there in NY? How many Wolfgang Puck? How Many mario batalli? All the big name chefs center on LA for cuisine.

I'll concede the intellectuals are not as much in abundance but LA being the center for media and music, they are here, you just have to go to the right parties.

Champagne? In abundance. And wine, oh god, does cali have wine culture. We get all the European stuff as well as all the south american and all the USA, including the cali. So much more than NY.

The met, I'll give you - the Walt Disney hall is nice but can't compete, but if I want that i'll go to the Royal opera in london

I will also agree that LA is mecca for idiots, especially those who watched too much baywatch or OC and realised it's not quite the same but couldn't admit it.

But everywhere has that - London has a lot of twats (with bad teeth as well) and NY is full of wannabe pseudoitellectuals, and don;t get me started on the women...work shy little socialite mouthy girls desperate to have a job at some magazine or designer without an ounce of talent in their emaciated bodies. Glad you have a GF, because it's slim pickings out there.

I like NY, but have no idea how you can live there amongst the cramped mess, paying thousands in rent for a tiny walkup just so you don't have to live in the boroughs. Yuck. Never again.

NY is way better looking. Honestly. lol west coast rap is about it.

Both new york and LA are superior to new mexico, we can agree on that.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney NY is way better looking. Honestly. lol west coast rap is about it.

City, yes, people, No.

I do have to admit though, living in the east village was pretty cool.

but next time you're out here I'll show you the real LA

It's all about the ATX! [AUSTIN TEXAS]

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Originally posted by DJ RANN City, yes, people, No. I do have to admit though, living in the east village was pretty cool. but next time you're out here I'll show you the real LA

my idea of a good time is a private party, salon piano , smart funny succesful people , champagne and cocaine. SAnd mega dance party on the upper floor.

I live in a corn field. Fuck all of you.

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Originally posted by Kysora I live in a corn field. Fuck all of you.

Ditto me too

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney my idea of a good time is a private party, salon piano , smart funny succesful people , champagne and cocaine. SAnd mega dance party on the upper floor.

With the exception of an Ivory Parlour Grand, that's Sounds like LA on a Wednesday night!

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