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lol at people whining and being elitist.

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose When you have people who respect you and have you in a higher regard, they might be driven away sometimes and lose respect for that person by what the person might say, do, act, or feel upon. In this case scenario, it is highly suggested to rethink things over, and take into account if what you are saying is actually worth mentioning.

Wow. It is highly suggested that you take your pseudo psychology bullshit elsewhere. Why Jack would respond to this drivel with anything but a kick to the face is beyond me.

Trance-MB, you might not be an idiot in real life, but there is no denying that you more than often come off as one in the discussions on this board. It may be language-related, because many times arguments seem to go way above your head.

DJ NyX you listed Sean Tyas - Lift as one of the best trance track ever. This is ad hominem without you knowing.

on topic; trance is for druggies

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Originally posted by Redd Wow. It is highly suggested that you take your pseudo psychology bullshit elsewhere. Why Jack would respond to this drivel with anything but a kick to the face is beyond me. Trance-MB, you might not be an idiot in real life, but there is no denying that you more than often come off as one in the discussions on this board. It may be language-related, because many times arguments seem to go way above your head. DJ NyX you listed Sean Tyas - Lift as one of the best trance track ever. This is ad hominem without you knowing. on topic; trance is for druggies

Pseudo psychology? Hm, I wonder what you are trying to say.

Beats me.

U mirin my posts brah?

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Originally posted by Redd Wow. It is highly suggested that you take your pseudo psychology bullshit elsewhere. Why Jack would respond to this drivel with anything but a kick to the face is beyond me. Trance-MB, you might not be an idiot in real life, but there is no denying that you more than often come off as one in the discussions on this board. It may be language-related, because many times arguments seem to go way above your head. DJ NyX you listed Sean Tyas - Lift as one of the best trance track ever. This is ad hominem without you knowing.

feeling a little polemic today? try to find some better arguements than people's taste in music.

Yeah I didn't expect you to understand any of it. Let me translate it to monkey; you're an insightful person.

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Originally posted by Redd Yeah I didn't expect you to understand any of it. Let me translate it to monkey; you're an insightful person.

oh well ok then.

all i was trying to say was that why people just can't let other people listen to what they like. i might not like it but at the same time i don't care for it either nor do i attack their position. if people want to listen to Tiesto, let them.

that worked out extremely well

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Originally posted by Redd that worked out extremely well

can't waste my time being ignorant

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Originally posted by Redd Wow. It is highly suggested that you take your pseudo psychology bullshit elsewhere. Why Jack would respond to this drivel with anything but a kick to the face is beyond me.

I wouldn't call this pseudo-psychology at all. He's simply stating that if I go around drunkenly insulting people on the forum, those people are going to start developing a grudge against me.

This guy is still pretty ignorant and over-enthusiastic, but his heart is in the right place: he's making the transition towards liking good trance and rejecting the shit stuff, and his confused ramblings are his way of processing that development of taste. I shouldn't have simply told him to shut the fuck up. The guy listens to what I say, he downloaded my last trance mix and by all accounts was exposed to a new sound as a result. If I alienate him, he's less likely to come round to my way of thinking, and so insulting him is counter-productive.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I wouldn't call this pseudo-psychology at all. He's simply stating that if I go around drunkenly insulting people on the forum, those people are going to start developing a grudge against me.

Maybe in this case, but generally changing your demeanor because people listen to your mixes and respect you is, in my opinion, wrong. I threw up a little by reading his reply, and drunkenly insulting people is much more fun!

isn't this the same guy who said back in 2001 that progressive is boring

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Originally posted by Redd Trance-MB, you might not be an idiot in real life, but there is no denying that you more than often come off as one in the discussions on this board. It may be language-related, because many times arguments seem to go way above your head.

Maybe I should have a look before I go to work instead afterwards...
Yeah, for sure partly it's languange related, looks sometimes I'm on a totally different wavelength, although I noticed when dutch DJ's says something the same seems to be the case. It's totally different interpretation of words.

My drunk detection probably is miserable, and the serious one could also use some improvements.

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on topic; trance is for druggies

Good example, that doesn't fit at all in my say 17 years of trance listening. But then my view on what's trance also is different so again a different wavelength maybe.

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Also, can we get some kind of 'one-night-only' review session over on Trancecritic? Just Sykonee and SYSTEM-J issuing their reviews of something particularly relevant to whatever direction Dance music has taken following the last submission to that site.

Pft. Written reviews is so last decade. If I were to start doing that again, I'd go all Todd In The Shadows with it.

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose He's not lying when he says he likes LA and likes being famous in the states and living "with the stars" in LA. He's already made Europe his bitch, and now he's trying to do the same in America. Advertising his concerts/raves with interest things such as "TIESTO WILL MAKE HISTORY, WITH HIS COLLEGE INVASION TOUR! JOIN US, AND YOU WILL BE A PART OF HISTORY TOO!" I was watching one of his concert videos at the Home Depot center, and he was constantly on the mic during his set saying things like "Hello LA! (or whatever city he is in) How's everything tonight? This night is proof that we made history, that dance music is the best thing in the world. And how does it feel, to be a part of history?" I don't what he's up to but whatever. Just interesting to discuss.

Hahaha I was there. Funny thing is, several friends that aren't die hard EDM fans, like we are, went. First thing they told me the next day, very excited by the way... "WE ARE PART OF HISTORY!" I guess the marketing worked because for sure it didn't sell out, but it wasn't empty either.

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Sad but true, there are generally no individuals here in the states, specifically San Jose, Los Angeles, San Francisco, or any other major city in certain the facet of EDM city cliques and fans, listeners, groups, or artists who even have the slightest potential interest of listening to Magik / ISOs sound. Most Americans are used to 3 minute instantaneous hook synths and verses that they lose the patience to listen to a full-on 7 minute epic anthem buildup. No wonder why Tiesto's first Kaleidoscope album was apparently 3-5 minute cut tracks.

That is very true and I'm guilty of it too. I have a residency at a mainstream club where I'm the EDM dj. To keep the people interested I have to edit all my EDM tracks, take all the fluffer out, and just leave the meat on the bones.

They're pretty much structured like this:
16 Bar Intros
Hook
Outro

@DjWoody

I would say fuck the mainstream. There should be events where our target crowd is not the masses. Our crowd should be disciplined and experienced listeners who have patience.

If there is anything that I have learned from listening to Trance, it would be patience. Because that's the key factor in listening to the full 10 minute tracks.

I don't know about you guys, but if you have ever partied with a smaller crowd with people who actually understood good music, are patient and disciplined, they tend to draw a pretty cool vibe. It's like we're all on a similar level of understanding and respect what is going on.

The rowdy listeners are okay, but all they really do is cheer really loud. There are pros about that though, it draws great attention and a party hard vibe. but most of these guys dont even understand the music haha. just my input.

There should be Trance concerts that have a sticker that say "FOR PATIENT LISTENERS ONLY" or something

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose There should be Trance concerts that have a sticker that say "FOR PATIENT LISTENERS ONLY" or something

LOL, that's boring, then I would have been without my impatient crazy as a door friends who danced there ass of one anything with a good beat.

That's true too. Point taken.

Sometimes the crowd that doesn't know WTF is going could be the fun ones because they don't know WTF is going on. haha

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose That's true too. Point taken. Sometimes the crowd that doesn't know WTF is going could be the fun ones because they don't know WTF is going on. haha

Well, IMO you weren't totally wrong either though.

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Originally posted by Redd Maybe in this case, but generally changing your demeanor because people listen to your mixes and respect you is, in my opinion, wrong. I threw up a little by reading his reply, and drunkenly insulting people is much more fun!

If someone's a complete idiot with no sign of ever improving I'll shit all over them.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J If someone's a complete idiot with no sign of ever improving I'll shit all over them.

All I wanted to hear.

I respect Tiesto before.

Today Tiesto suck ball. F him

I will agree that trance music is immature and fueled by drugs.

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