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The question of thread title should be asked from Benny Benassi.

I have to agree with Looney4Clooney, in this day and age slapping a Compressor throughout the entire track seems so uncontrolled. Automation is the way to go.

Of course you can do what you want and in the end you can get decent results no matter the approach, but the most control and thus flexibility is through automation.

A compressor may be a volume knob but you do not have the capability of riding the fader to mimic the result of a nice hard compression with fast atk/rls no matter how many hits of speed you've had. rock vocals are heavily compressed.

I don't always mix running into a limiter, some people do, that is one technique. I usually don't, just giving an example. I saw deadmau5 do a before and after with a hardware limiter on his livestream so i wanted to try it. I don't hate either or say they're wrong.

It would however solve the problem of changing timbres and their enormous loudness differences you mentioned such as screaming and then soft singing. I'd prefer automation to fill the gap before compressing anything. The Compression then can tighten the rest without having to be as hard as without the automation.

Either one will work, but compression will bring up that delicious background noise, room reverb etc. i like hearing the pumping in between breaths etc.

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Originally posted by Psynon The question of thread title should be asked from Benny Benassi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r838pJCS2o0

i usually send my kick and bass to a compressor, and i found that with ny compression you get a nice balance with dynamics.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja i need to use ny compression more.. i keep hearing good producers talk about it. and yeah ask benassi if its okay to squash your bassline xD i love that sound personally i made benassi/moombahton-esqe bassline the other week.. http://www.mediafire.com/?iec3nxy5mrsxnmo fun starts at 2:45

psh call that bass? go search skrillex LOLOLOLO MELT MY FACE OFF

So moral of the story if you want loud sounds use compression.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox So moral of the story if you want loud sounds use distortion.

fixed

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox So moral of the story if you want loud sounds use compression.

Sometimes.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Either one will work, but compression will bring up that delicious background noise, room reverb etc. i like hearing the pumping in between breaths etc.

noize gate it first hmmmmz

Yes its tricky - trying to make a mid-bass sound louder with taking up too much headroom?

Try some layering - like a subbier bass underneath the mid, will allow you to highpass the midbass more and push it up more but be careful... you dont want to highpass it too much or it goes back in the mix

Also slight slight touches of room reverb (send) and slight delays can make it sound "perceptually" bigger, bit of chorus can make it more up front also

FATSO in soft clip mode is good for this, its kinda like cheating , but you have to be careful using it on bass sounds as it can distort very easily

oh and as someone else said - distortion can help too.
Compression? kinda gonna off it on basses, but as they say ymmv.......

So I just watched "Alan Parsons' the art and science of sound recording" And when he said he always limits/compresses for vocals and bass during recording,and "It is a pretty much universal view that vocals for rock or pop always have a need for compression and limiting" it made me think of this thread. Also this part which i'll transcribe sounded familiar:

"Over the years, dynamics control of the vocals has a had a huge effect on how records sound. Without liimiting and compression you would be def in one minute, and straining to hear the words the next. Before electronic limiting and compression came into being engineers were forced to place the vocalist incredibly loud in the mix to make sure no words got buried."

This is the engineer for Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side of the Moon'. It's up to you guys whether you want to believe him, or "Looney4Clooney"

you aren't listening


for the 5th time

I have not once said vocals are not compressed. OK. take that in.

What i have said is that it is the element that is compressed the least 90% of the time.


Now what you are saying, which is false, along with your little SSL anachronism gaff which you also attributed to a "professional" leaving much of what you say and attribute to actual sources up for questions is that vocals are squashed. They aren't. he only time they were might be for effect post 2000. So pink floyd is rather irrelevant as a source.

now read this again
again

get a coffee
read i t again

now shut up.

I am simply quoting grammy nominated engineers who know much more than you and I. Sorry if that makes you upset. Have a good day.

no,

what you are doing is using a quote to counter an argument i did not make and erroneously support a statement you did make.

that is what you did. He said compression is used on vocals. What you are saying is that vocals are super compressed. Do i need to pain a picture for you ?

What studios have you been in other than your school and which engineers where at the helm. Just a little curious about your practical experience.

He didn't just say he compresses vocals, he said Bass and Vocal are one of the few things he always compresses during recording. You said vocal and bass is rarely compressed. I am not arguing with you. You think you know more than the engineers for Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. That's fine with me.

no

I said vocals are the element that are usually the least compressed.

for fuck sakes. I never mentioned anything else. None of those engineers have said anything that contradicts my statement.


this is what i am saying dumbed down so you can understand. Look at the gr values. Notice someting ?

I recommend people check out the DVD. Vocals are nearly always compressed. There are many other instruments that need to be kept natural over vocals.

dude seriously

what the fuck is wrong with you

saying vocals are the element that are least compressed in a mix is not the same as saying you don't compress vocals. Why is this so fucking hard to grasp.


A is less than B . Now for some reason , you make this statement equivalent to A = 0.Stop being an idiot. It is fucking annoying.

A < B not equal to A = 0 . You are implying that my statement A < B , is actually A = 0

do you get it ?

Can you acknowledge my statement how i actually made it ? PLease just re write my statement so I know you are actually reading my post.

What I'm saying is during tracking stage Vocals and Bass are always need a limiter/compressor for a good recording. Most other instruments do not. Get it now? Again, don't get mad at me, get mad at pink floyd!

And really, none of this applies to trance/EDM music anyway, so let's just drop it.

l4c was saying post-processing on vocals in terms of compression is conservative compared to other instruments. your quote did nothing to address the amount of compression used on vocals. it just says vocals are almost always compressed, which l4c isn't disagreeing with.

you're saying vocals are heavily compressed, and using a quote that doesn't say that to "prove" it. for fuck's sake, I know very little about recording or compression, but it doesn't take a professional to see you're completely failing at arguing about this in a coherent manner

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Originally posted by mysticalninja What I'm saying is during tracking stage Vocals and Bass are always need a limiter/compressor for a good recording. Most other instruments do not. Get it now? Again, don't get mad at me, get mad at pink floyd! And really, none of this applies to trance/EDM music anyway, so let's just drop it.

for the love of god

you started out with the statement, "vocals are the most compressed element in a mix, i beleive" page 2 or 1

I replied

nope.Compressed, sure, more than anything else, nope. You fucking dance about trying to save face with quotes that have nothing to do with my statement or yours for that matter. You mention ration settings while not actually giving the GR values. You post anachronisms such as Led Zepplin sound came from the SSL. Not only does this have 0 to do with my statement but you using false data to try and support your false claims. I mean it is embarrassing dude.

I posted a link showing common settings further showing your wrong. Please don't make me go thru all the fucking books and give you page numbers. You will not find 1 engineer that would not say that in general, and i say general because there are tracks that have insane vocal compression. This is aesthetic and not the norm) that will start sucking about 15 db as a place to start from the vocals. it is without a doubt the element the least compressed. Less than drums, less than guitar less bass.

Stop this insanity.

you are wrong. Accept it. Your statement was false. I called you on it. Now get over the fact that you were wrong on an isssue. Seriously. Why is it so fucking hard to just say, oh my bad.

Since when did this become strictly about "Post Processing"? Modern vocals have much compression, there are many many elements that get compressed less than vocals. There is no right or wrong to engineering. There are opinions. I disagree. Get over it.
Again, I'm not arguing. I simply quoted Alan Parson whom said the exact same thing I did in regards to Led Zeppelin that "Looney4Clooney" so strongly disagree's with. It seems to have made him upset.

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