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Originally posted by EddieZilker The importance of which you seem to be over-stating. You may as well be lamenting about how Volvo sold out for their latest product placement and cross-promotional contest relating to the new Twilight film. Taste-makers? I just don't recall any genre dying out from editorial neglect or abuse, for that matter.

Tend to disagree. The importance that djs place on the top 100 and subsequent Dj fees reflect that.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 I'm not sure he ever had that much of credibility in the underground scene. He catered to the mainstream audience from the very beginning starting with Encore un fois, Ecuador, Stay and co-working with other mainstream artists such as Dr Alban and Tina Cousins (hot ass).

Hey, man, he was on the very first Ravemaster compilation. Them's some respectable names on there!

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Then again, a year later, he appeared on this:

I'm actually happy that trance may be sulking back into the underground. Let's face it, today's house to edm is what today's hip hop was to run dmc or public enemy.

I'm actually focusing my attention on more hungry acts/true to their roots. Eco, JooF, MIKE, airbase, temple 1, jaytech come to mind. Enough with da Jesus pose possee already.

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Originally posted by aNYthing I'm actually happy that trance may be sulking back into the underground. Let's face it, today's house to edm is what today's hip hop was to run dmc or public enemy. I'm actually focusing my attention on more hungry acts/true to their roots. Eco, JooF, MIKE, airbase, temple 1, jaytech come to mind. Enough with da Jesus pose possee already.

Dont get me wrong, I would be delighted if trance returns to the underground and be recognised as such. Much of the trance scene is and always has been underground. DJ mag are meant to celebrate the underground, not deride it, unless its crap.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J He isn't over-stating it at all. He's simply being unrealistic.

What am I saying that is unrealistic?

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Originally posted by Lotherton Hall What am I saying that is unrealistic?

It's unrealistic to expect a publication like DJ Mag to have any integrity or credibility in this day and age, for the reasons I've already given. This kind of thing is annoying, but it's a lot like getting angry when politicians lie. By this point, you should expect nothing different. DJ Mag runs dance music's most notorious popularity contest, how can you seriously think they should "celebrate the underground"?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It's unrealistic to expect a publication like DJ Mag to have any integrity or credibility in this day and age, for the reasons I've already given. This kind of thing is annoying, but it's a lot like getting angry when politicians lie. By this point, you should expect nothing different. DJ Mag runs dance music's most notorious popularity contest, how can you seriously think they should "celebrate the underground"?

They have done a pretty good job at it historically with other edm genres.

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Originally posted by Lotherton Hall They have done a pretty good job at it historically with other edm genres.

That's an opinion which can be neither proved or disproved really, but I've never noticed DJMag having any serious impact on the underground dance music scene. And as already mentioned, 'historically' people didn't have access to the same/better content for free online.

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Originally posted by blackplanet That's an opinion which can be neither proved or disproved really, but I've never noticed DJMag having any serious impact on the underground dance music scene. And as already mentioned, 'historically' people didn't have access to the same/better content for free online.

Not sure how old you are (not seeking to undermine you, I'm 36 and been into the edm scene for over 20 years so my interest is pre internet) but that is just a ridiculous statement. The magazine has historically had a big impact, particularly with the 'Update' weekly.

Totally agree with you there is better content available online.

This isnt aimed speciafically at you but moreover at those on here who seem to think djmag is irrelevant or unrepresenteative of the edm scene:-

1. If djmag is irrelevant now, why do djs, their agents, bookers and managers wouldnt spend copious amounts of time begging for votes?

2. The mag has a huge impact on dj fees and entire careers.

3. The mag has some kind of witch hunt against the trance scene and I wonder why considering what it is meant to represent.

The internet has had a huge impact. However, we cant get away from the fact that the magazine is massively influencial, more so than any internet forum, even now, whether you like it or not. Just ask any dj, promoter or club owner with a genuine interest in the scene and making a living from it. Show me a dj that slags off the djmag poll and I will show you a dj who never made the top 100 or was in it and had an almighty fall from grace. From a punters perspective, I know where to look on the web to hear good music, reviews and id a club night I want to go to. The mag doesnt influence my choice although it has been informative in the early to mid years. I love trance music and cant stand the trouse and electro influenced 'trance' djs that appear to be so popular now. I just wonder why such an influencial mag takes such a stance against part of the scene they are meant to represent when the real trance music is there to be found. However, viewing the posts I'm a relatively lone voice.

If this is such an important issue for you, you can always write to the editor and ask.

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Originally posted by Lotherton Hall They have done a pretty good job at it historically with other edm genres.

Historically is not "in this day and age", is it?

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Originally posted by Lotherton Hall Not sure how old you are (not seeking to undermine you, I'm 36 and been into the edm scene for over 20 years so my interest is pre internet) but that is just a ridiculous statement. The magazine has historically had a big impact, particularly with the 'Update' weekly. Totally agree with you there is better content available online. This isnt aimed speciafically at you but moreover at those on here who seem to think djmag is irrelevant or unrepresenteative of the edm scene:- 1. If djmag is irrelevant now, why do djs, their agents, bookers and managers wouldnt spend copious amounts of time begging for votes? 2. The mag has a huge impact on dj fees and entire careers. 3. The mag has some kind of witch hunt against the trance scene and I wonder why considering what it is meant to represent. The internet has had a huge impact. However, we cant get away from the fact that the magazine is massively influencial, more so than any internet forum, even now, whether you like it or not. Just ask any dj, promoter or club owner with a genuine interest in the scene and making a living from it. Show me a dj that slags off the djmag poll and I will show you a dj who never made the top 100 or was in it and had an almighty fall from grace. From a punters perspective, I know where to look on the web to hear good music, reviews and id a club night I want to go to. The mag doesnt influence my choice although it has been informative in the early to mid years. I love trance music and cant stand the trouse and electro influenced 'trance' djs that appear to be so popular now. I just wonder why such an influencial mag takes such a stance against part of the scene they are meant to represent when the real trance music is there to be found. However, viewing the posts I'm a relatively lone voice.

I would calculate that my existence equates to approximately 27 rotations of your sun, so obviously you have a better knowledge than me, however I am surprised you have not progressed beyond the stage of letting a profit-seeking organisation judge your musical interests by now.

If you class the 'underground' as Gareth Emery or Andy Moor, for example, then perhaps that is the problem. When I refer to DJ Mag having no influence then I am talking about the psytrance parties in the mountains of Portugal or the Swiss lakes, full moon celebrations in Thailand, warehouse raves where the likes of Paul van Dyk began careers and so on. Attendees do not do so because they read a review in DJ Mag, and they certainly wouldn't care what a flip-flop wearing London media graduate has to say about it either.

After a time here I shared similar feelings to those you express now, and my advice to you would be to take a serious break. Find something else to spend your time on, and one day you will stumble upon a new type of music which reignites your passion all over again.

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Originally posted by blackplanet I would calculate that my existence equates to approximately 27 rotations of your sun, so obviously you have a better knowledge than me, however I am surprised you have not progressed beyond the stage of letting a profit-seeking organisation judge your musical interests by now. If you class the 'underground' as Gareth Emery or Andy Moor, for example, then perhaps that is the problem. When I refer to DJ Mag having no influence then I am talking about the psytrance parties in the mountains of Portugal or the Swiss lakes, full moon celebrations in Thailand, warehouse raves where the likes of Paul van Dyk began careers and so on. Attendees do not do so because they read a review in DJ Mag, and they certainly wouldn't care what a flip-flop wearing London media graduate has to say about it either. After a time here I shared similar feelings to those you express now, and my advice to you would be to take a serious break. Find something else to spend your time on, and one day you will stumble upon a new type of music which reignites your passion all over again.

Haha, As I have said frequently on here, I dont let dj mag dictate my musical taste. Far from it. However, they do dicate the taste of many.

I took time out from trance and returned this year to find I wasnt particularly impressed and need to delve deeper into the underground to see what that is currently offering.

i long for the day when djs just play whatever comes natural to them, instead of being influenced by dj mag or RA. right now it seems the djs fall into two broad categories: house or dubstep. wheres the trance djs? the breaks djs? the dnb? oh those genres are out of fashion. instead of two categories all djs fall into, it would be nice if it were 4 or 5.

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Originally posted by blackplanet After a time here I shared similar feelings to those you express now, and my advice to you would be to take a serious break. Find something else to spend your time on, and one day you will stumble upon a new type of music which reignites your passion all over again.

So... whose alt are you?

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Originally posted by stev� i long for the day when djs just play whatever comes natural to them, instead of being influenced by dj mag or RA. right now it seems the djs fall into two broad categories: house or dubstep. wheres the trance djs? the breaks djs? the dnb? oh those genres are out of fashion. instead of two categories all djs fall into, it would be nice if it were 4 or 5.

I don't think your post makes any sense considering most people that play dubstep (brostep excluded) right now also play house and wise versa. (influence of UK bass and all that shit)

The other thing is that you confuse media coverage with actual existence. Most (famous) DJs that play House or Dubstep have done so for a long time it's just that these days the stuff they play is really popular. Also all the DJs that play 'unpopular' genres (just because it's not featured on RA doesn't mean there's no audience for the shit) still exist, they just aren't covered/featured by certain media because the stuff they play is unpopular among a certain audience (RA readers) at the moment.

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Originally posted by BeatsAndBeyond Anything to sell more copies. Printed media is dead. Long live TA250.

here here!!

know what you mean though, Trance isnt cool anymore, and its easy to hit on sadly...

magazines need to sell and like fashion music today is dominated by trends, whatever is hot will rock and vice versa

at the moment trance isnt

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J So... whose alt are you?

After a time on your planet I mean, not spefically on your forum. I have observed for some time but only felt the desire to participate recently.

I, for one, welcome our new extra-terrestrial overlord.











How shall I convert our slaughter houses to accommodate your insatiable craving for human flesh?

My ancestors would have simply demanded that a single top-100-listed DJ be sacrificed within the central ring of Stonehenge at sunset during the equinox/solstice, but I think we're all a little beyond that these days.

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Originally posted by blackplanet My ancestors would have simply demanded that a single top-100-listed DJ be sacrificed within the central ring of Stonehenge at sunset during the equinox/solstice, but I think we're all a little beyond that these days.

Above & Beyond that! It's really a perfect idea as Armin's reign of terror comes to a close. If we make it an event, he could drive his final set to a peak by sunset before handing it off to Guetta, as Armin, Jesus pose and all, is burned on a stack of surplus URB, DJ Mag, and Remix magazines; along with some old Ghostly International promotional material.

Furthermore, it will completely change the tenor of the DJ Mag pole as whoever obtained the number one spot would be sacrificed once they lost it in subsequent contests. The elimination of vote-whoring, alone, makes this a viable prospect. There will always be some narcissistic chump who thinks they can last forever at number one and while their petulance is amusing in the short term, they're not the sort you want hanging around the scene, all that long.





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Originally posted by Woonyxoxo I don't think your post makes any sense considering most people that play dubstep (brostep excluded) right now also play house and wise versa. (influence of UK bass and all that shit) The other thing is that you confuse media coverage with actual existence. Most (famous) DJs that play House or Dubstep have done so for a long time it's just that these days the stuff they play is really popular. Also all the DJs that play 'unpopular' genres (just because it's not featured on RA doesn't mean there's no audience for the shit) still exist, they just aren't covered/featured by certain media because the stuff they play is unpopular among a certain audience (RA readers) at the moment.

your post make less sense than mine. i think the reason both our posts dont make sense to each other is because you live in berlin.

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