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Posted by jonmitz on Dec-09-2011 00:45:

Posted by alan on Dec-09-2011 01:23:

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Originally posted by mar46017
Pretty much. My brother just passed the bar. He went to Loyola Law School. I would like him to work for a big firm so he get worked like a slave and learn more, but he says no one is hiring, so for now he is working for me for $15 an hour. (same rate I gave him before he passed the bar)

Depends. Being a lawyer def sounds better than being a promoter to your girlfriend's parents, however if done right, one highly successful event can bring in lots of $.

Both have risks as well. As a promoter you can lose your ass on DJ fees, bar guarantees etc. Same goes with a risky case where liability is questionable. You spend your time, filing fees, expert fees and jury fees. If the jury doesn't like you, your case or your client, you get zero from the Plaintiff minus all the $ you spent on the case.

Thankfully going from a promoter to lawyer did help me promoter my name to my promoter database. I get lots of cases (car accidents, litigation and some criminal) just from Facebook and contacts.

A part of me would still love to own a nightclub one day. (will likely never happen though)

sorry, i was making it too simple.

go commercial or DJ mag top 100, and promoting earns a lot! i know a promoter who earns 4K to 5K on a thursday, and he throws 5 events per week.

otherwise, breaking even is the target for those with a more "niche" focus musically.

Posted by jdub889 on Dec-09-2011 05:18:

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Originally posted by Sadface
It depends on how good of a school you come from. I know a girl who graduated from NYU (~ top 5 last I heard) and went into patent law making >200k right away. Now, if you're trying to get a low-mid tier law degree you'll be in a lot more trouble when you graduate...

i'm preeettyyy sure that even the top top firms do not pay over $200k to a first year associate, even with a clerkship bonus. the only thing that makes me hesitate is the patent law thing, but... well, that's kinda the point. patent lawyers are always in demand because they have to have a hard science degree as well, so this is not the normal situation for most law school grads. trust me, there are PLENTY of nyu grads still looking for legitimate work.

Posted by jdub889 on Dec-09-2011 05:20:

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Originally posted by alan
go commercial or DJ mag top 100, and promoting earns a lot! i know a promoter who earns 4K to 5K on a thursday, and he throws 5 events per week.

geeezzzzz. where does he promote? or can you say?

Posted by alan on Dec-09-2011 06:25:

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Originally posted by jdub889
geeezzzzz. where does he promote? or can you say?

Check out Tigerheat at Spot 5750 on Thursdays. They average around 1,500 people at 10 bucks a pop. Always the same DJs and 3 partners. Expect Britney songs, and that stuff. They used to do Avalon on Thursdays.

Posted by Quazar on Dec-09-2011 06:30:

quote:
Originally posted by alan
sorry, i was making it too simple.

go commercial or DJ mag top 100, and promoting earns a lot! i know a promoter who earns 4K to 5K on a thursday, and he throws 5 events per week.

otherwise, breaking even is the target for those with a more "niche" focus musically.

Well, if you can make a little cash and do it by listening to music you love, that's something special right there.

I can see why it would be tough, though. Flying DJs in from Europe/Asia when there are a lot of electro-house DJs that can pull a crowd who live right here in LA. That's why the world needs promoters who love the music they promote.

Posted by djjoshuaallen on Dec-09-2011 06:40:

Just do what you love and hope the money follows. And if it doesn't at least you're doing what you love

Posted by euphoria on Dec-09-2011 14:54:

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
lol....one day we're actually gonna hear: "now presiding: the honorable judge jules"

Was about to say the same thing, but his name irl is Julius O'Riordan lol

Good luck to him

Posted by jonmitz on Dec-09-2011 17:14:

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Originally posted by jdub889
i'm preeettyyy sure that even the top top firms do not pay over $200k to a first year associate, even with a clerkship bonus. the only thing that makes me hesitate is the patent law thing, but... well, that's kinda the point. patent lawyers are always in demand because they have to have a hard science degree as well, so this is not the normal situation for most law school grads. trust me, there are PLENTY of nyu grads still looking for legitimate work.

basically

Posted by Sadface on Dec-09-2011 17:57:

Posted by JescoSF on Dec-09-2011 19:38:

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Originally posted by jonmitz
If you go to the link I posted they specifically discussing going to T3 schools will do nothing for you.

Too many people grew up thinking lawyers made it big, now they're in the hole. Americaaaaa fuck yeeaa

This sounds like someone who didn't get accepted to law school..

It all depends on what kind of law you want to practice and what kind of connections that you can make while in law school. This is especially true for the West Coast. I have many friends that went to top law schools and are having trouble with the job market. So, unfortunately Jon, you don't know what you are talking about.

I will be the first one to tell you that it is extremely tough to find a job right now in the legal field. The same is true for many other professions. This has happened to the profession before back in the 80's and it bounced back. The recession in this country and the fact that California is completely broke has everything to do with it.

If you really want to make it [at anything] you have to keep at it and continuing doing what you love. If you are doing something solely for the money you will never be happy. If you are passionate about something and relentless - making the big money is the easy part IMO.

I tell people [jokingly] not to go to law school only because it is a huge commitment and does put you in debt. I have a few friends from law school that realized quickly that law was not for them and they are hating life. You really have to want it and have to be passionate about whatever practice area that you chose.

Cheers to Jules for keeping an Ace in his pocket.

Posted by jonmitz on Dec-09-2011 19:53:

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Originally posted by JescoSF
This sounds like someone who didn't get accepted to law school..

It all depends on what kind of law you want to practice and what kind of connections that you can make while in law school. This is especially true for the West Coast. I have many friends that went to top law schools and are having trouble with the job market. So, unfortunately Jon, you don't know what you are talking about.

I will be the first one to tell you that it is extremely tough to find a job right now in the legal field. The same is true for many other professions. This has happened to the profession before back in the 80's and it bounced back. The recession in this country and the fact that California is completely broke has everything to do with it.

If you really want to make it [at anything] you have to keep at it and continuing doing what you love. If you are doing something solely for the money you will never be happy. If you are passionate about something and relentless - making the big money is the easy part IMO.

I tell people [jokingly] not to go to law school only because it is a huge commitment and does put you in debt. I have a few friends from law school that realized quickly that law was not for them and they are hating life. You really have to want it and have to be passionate about whatever practice area that you chose.

Cheers to Jules for keeping an Ace in his pocket.

you are a fucking idiot kid. you are literally agreeing with everything i said and then calling me ignorant? what the fuck is wrong with you

holy fucking shit, are you for real?

e: not mad, just mind blown. this level of cognitive dissonance is astounding even for TA

here's the link you can read since you seemed to gloss over the entire thread http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3301274

Posted by JescoSF on Dec-09-2011 19:58:

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Originally posted by jonmitz
you are a fucking idiot kid. you are literally agreeing with everything i said and then calling me ignorant? what the fuck is wrong with you

holy fucking shit, are you for real?

e: not mad, just mind blown. this level of cognitive dissonance is astounding even for TA

here's the link you can read since you seemed to gloss over the entire thread http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3301274

Take it easy Jon. I'm not going to get into a "nerd war" with you on TA and make you look like an idiot like I did to your boy Jim Carson.

Posted by jonmitz on Dec-09-2011 21:26:

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Originally posted by JescoSF
Take it easy Jon.

im not mad,

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Originally posted by JescoSF
I'm not going to get into a "nerd war" with you on TA and

then why did you name drop me?

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Originally posted by JescoSF
make you look like an idiot

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Originally posted by JescoSF
like I did to your boy Jim Carson..

he's not my "boy", lol. i never even defended him or anything. delusional much?

Posted by AY STAR on Dec-09-2011 21:37:

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Originally posted by DaveT
Armin went to law school, too, so he could follow suit one day. Armin even went back to school to finish his degree after he had already blown up. Gotta respect him a little bit for that!

i think i read somewhere that he played a gig one night then when it was done he went straight to take his bar exam...thats pretty serious ha ha ha

as for jules i wonder if he will show up to court wearing those silly shirts as well
on the real tho i seen him once or twice and he was all over the place nothing mindblowing, but he did have a very big career and radio following. I do wish him the best, now i dunno if he has been planning this for a while now or he is just the latest victum to retire from the scene cause it's not the way it was/should be

either way i wish him the best

Posted by JescoSF on Dec-09-2011 21:51:

You sure do have a lot of time in that little cubicle of yours Jon. Stick to what you know (video games, virginity, face-painting, and dressing up like a douche [as seen on an earlier thread]) instead of going to some blog and copying and pasting information that is almost 2 years old and making assumptions about a profession you know nothing about.

Posted by jonmitz on Dec-09-2011 22:27:

quote:
Originally posted by JescoSF
You sure do have a lot of time in that little cubicle of yours Jon. Stick to what you know (video games, virginity, face-painting, and dressing up like a douche [as seen on an earlier thread]) instead of going to some blog and copying and pasting information that is almost 2 years old and making assumptions about a profession you know nothing about.

ur an idiot bro

e: this might help get to the bottom of things

Posted by JescoSF on Dec-09-2011 23:13:

that was hurtful...

"e:" I'm sorry that you're a nerd.

Posted by djjoshuaallen on Dec-10-2011 00:09:

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Originally posted by jonmitz

he's not my "boy", lol. i never even defended him or anything. delusional much?

wow. delusional? You spent two weeks jumping in defending Jim any chance you could.

Relax bro, smoke a bowl or something. Why all the hate toward law school. Everybody is having trouble finding jobs, yes Law school is more expensive than other fields, but that is for a good reason.

Posted by neogaia on Dec-10-2011 02:48:

Actually in terms of all the sorts of things you could do Law School is a very bad idea at the current moment.

If people really want to do it, I suggest they wait until the economy bounces back. If someone's interested in the money, it's in the Health Industry.

It is my understanding that post-recession Law Grads are doing just as bad in finding jobs as everyone else except they also have 100K in Debt, and student loans are ridiculous, with no consumer protections. I tried to have an honest convo with my best friend who is now going to Law School, and I hoped that I helped her understand a bit better what her chances are of actually being able to pay that debt.

I think its super hard to understand the on the ground reality unless you actually graduated from college post-recession or are parent of someone who did. Same goes for grad schools and law schools.

quote:
Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
Relax bro, smoke a bowl or something. Why all the hate toward law school. Everybody is having trouble finding jobs, yes Law school is more expensive than other fields, but that is for a good reason.

Posted by jdub889 on Dec-10-2011 03:31:

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Originally posted by neogaia
It is my understanding that post-recession Law Grads are doing just as bad in finding jobs as everyone else except they also have 100K in Debt, and student loans are ridiculous, with no consumer protections.

your understanding is spot on!

Posted by djjoshuaallen on Dec-10-2011 03:46:

I wonder if anybody in has considered the idea that perhaps it may be one's passion to study law. That somebody may have always wanted to practice law since they were young. Yes lawyers can make alot of money, and perhaps many are greedy and do it only for that, but that is the case for most high paying professions.

I know law graduates who have turned down more money to work as a public defender because they believe in the rights of the accused. Lawyers can be some of the greediest on the planet, but have you all considered theyre may be many who have a passion for practicing law?

I think advice such as, "wait til the recession is over" to go to law school is out of the question. It isnt something that you just decide to do one day because the economy is good. There are steps that need to be taken, and timeing is highly relevant in the decision process.

Oh yea, and theyre are plenty of Business school programs that cost 100k across the country, and those grads are looking for work at the moment as well.

While I agree that medical school is a great option, and the future for doctors may be bright. There are lawyers out there making a living putting doctors out of business, being a doctor comes with risks as well. And im pretty sure that med school holds a hefty price tag at the moment, and that your compition upon graduation is going to be quite strong. With all the questions left from the Obamacare shenanagans, and the future role of government in the healthcare industry, it increases the uncertainty for medical grads substantially.

Posted by jdub889 on Dec-10-2011 18:23:

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
I wonder if anybody in has considered the idea that perhaps it may be one's passion to study law.

of course. i have a ton of friends who ask me "should i go to law school?" what a loaded question. i usually tell them that look, it's not a good job market right now and it probably doesn't make fiscal sense to go out and borrow $150,000 to take three years out of your life when you don't know whether or not it can take you anywhere. but at the end of the day, if you want to practice law (or teach law, or whatever), there's only one way to do it, and that's law school...

Posted by drEamer on Dec-10-2011 18:39:

if u can get into the top law schools, IE, Columbia, Yale and the like, u wont have a problem gettingg work.....had a friend who was making 120k a year, WHILE in school.....she mainly worked the GM case

Posted by jdub889 on Dec-10-2011 20:13:

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Originally posted by drEamer
if u can get into the top law schools, IE, Columbia, Yale and the like, u wont have a problem gettingg work.....had a friend who was making 120k a year, WHILE in school.....she mainly worked the GM case

again, that's not true. you have a better chance, certainly, but a good amount of grads from the top schools are having trouble finding work right now.

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