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Originally posted by Chimney New and cocky, eh?

Nope. I just don't see the point in dealing with confrontational people whom I do not know over the Internet.

Thread's done. Bye!

Eh, I'm fine with 320 MP3s, but I have a DAC and headphone Amp geared up to my computer for my 580 Senns. Them shits can make even the crummiest digital file sound full!

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Originally posted by meriter shit man I bought 2 albums off the iTunes store back in 2005, and those were copy protected .m4a files that you needed to log in to listen to. Can't even copy them to another drive. Total waste of time and money.

That's why I never bought an iPod. Fuck supporting a business that would ram those kind of limitations down your throat. Have no idea why the general populace would even subject themselves to that, but I'm glad I didn't.

I have a few FLAC files of tracks that I absolutely adore, but mainly I just go with the 320 digital route. Really can't hear a difference between 320 digital and FLAC. Now 320 vinyl rips, that's another story.

A sane person would never go the mp3 route at all. When i buy tracks i want them to be the same quality as my vinyls.

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Originally posted by dj christian A sane person would never go the mp3 route at all.

Yeah, cuz the millions who use it are all crazy then. Ok dude, view must be great on your high horse.

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Originally posted by dj christian A sane person would never go the mp3 route at all. When i buy tracks i want them to be the same quality as my vinyls.

watch this http://www.electronicbeats.net/tv/e...-issue-1-11-pal

I've also seen other studies where people could not tell the difference between WAV and mp3 in a blindtest but said they can hear when it was not blind.

This all comes down to the fact that sound quality is our own brain/imagination for the most part when the differences are really small. For example there was a study with 20 experienced professional musicians who did a blind test between real Stradivari and new models and they could not tell the difference.

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Originally posted by Woony watch this http://www.electronicbeats.net/tv/e...-issue-1-11-pal I've also seen other studies where people could not tell the difference between WAV and mp3 in a blindtest but said they can hear when it was not blind. This all comes down to the fact that sound quality is our own brain/imagination for the most part when the differences are really small. For example there was a study with 20 experienced professional musicians who did a blind test between real Stradivari and new models and they could not tell the difference.

First off, it depends on the sound system. There's a difference between listening on a pair of headphones bought at Aldi on a 20$ soundcard and a pair of Sennheiser HD 650/800 with a half decent DAC + headphone amplifier, not to mention high-end systems for tens of thousands of euros.

Second of all, it's not about the obvious difference. It's about how the different elements of the track flow together and the overall ambiance that comes with better quality. I probably got more FLACs than anyone on this forum and although I can't always spot the exact difference on all of them, there are clearly difference in the way things work together in a FLAC file and an mp3 file.

My personal experience.

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Originally posted by Chimney First off, it depends on the sound system. There's a difference between listening on a pair of headphones bought at Aldi on a 20$ soundcard and a pair of Sennheiser HD 650/800 with a half decent DAC + headphone amplifier, not to mention high-end systems for tens of thousands of euros. Second of all, it's not about the obvious difference. It's about how the different elements of the track flow together and the overall ambiance that comes with better quality. I probably got more FLACs than anyone on this forum and although I can't always spot the exact difference on all of them, there are clearly difference in the way things work together in a FLAC file and an mp3 file. My personal experience.

Have you ever done a blind test?

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Originally posted by Woony Have you ever done a blind test?

On what type of music? There are major differences between how a trance track sounds in flac/mp3 and how a classical track sounds in mp3/flac.

And as mentioned: The gear.

Yes, I've done some back in the days. Managed to spot the difference with a pair of Pioneer HDJ-1000. Wasn't able to hear the difference between 192/320 though.

With the amount of memory available these days on computers/ipods etc I really don't see why there isn't a phase out of lower quality sound files.

I'll also add (can't remember if I already wrote this) I see FLAC as an investment for future audio-equipment. If I ever get the finances to buy high-end Stax SR headphones for 5000� and DACs in the same price-range, I wouldn't want to be limited to 192 mp3s.

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Originally posted by saluyamo With the amount of memory available these days on computers/ipods etc I really don't see why there isn't a phase out of lower quality sound files.

Are you talking about losless files? Some digital retailers don't even offer them (Itunes) and most others charge ridiculous fees for lossless files (Beatport - and don't tell me about bandwith - it's cheap as fuck these days. They simply like to rip off all the bedroom DJs that think they have to buy WAV)

@Chimney The problem with high end audio equipment is that by the time you're rich enough to efford it, your hearing sucks enough to make the difference in quality negligible

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Originally posted by Woony @Chimney The problem with high end audio equipment is that by the time you're rich enough to efford it, your hearing sucks enough to make the difference in quality negligible

Man, I don't have a lot of things in life. FLACs are my only pleasure. And Pepsi.

Not to mention people PM to send them FLACs lol

Is there a program that allows you to see if a Flac file is actually lossless quality?

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Originally posted by saluyamo Is there a program that allows you to see if a Flac file is actually lossless quality?

I suppose you can load it into a spectrum analizer or DAW and judge by the waveform.

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Originally posted by saluyamo Is there a program that allows you to see if a Flac file is actually lossless quality?

Adobe Audition, but it doesn't guarantee it's been correctly ripped - which is the biggest concern. If you are using foobar, you can download an extension which runs the track through AcurateRip database and compares the track with other versions of it being ripped. This doesn't always work (on singles) and on tracks bought off estores., obviously.

If you have a log, there are certain programs that scan it according to some quality standards.

eachelper.uphero.com/ <<--- I used to check with this. Seems down now though.

FLACs can be faked to death. It's possible to take any kbps and re-encode it as FLAC.

A CD should take 2-3 hours to RIP, if the program is set up correctly. I broke my burner after 5 rips due to the intensity.

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Originally posted by Euforix LOL! No wonder I always doubted why my FLAC rips where not so special... It only lasted like 10 min (max) to rip some of my CDs to FLAC. Silly me.

Use the latest version of EAC + http://blowfish.be/eac/Setup/setup1.html

an app called "utorrent" is much much better than this

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Originally posted by movingincircles 2005? an app called "jhymn" strips the protection off of "older" iTunes music.

f**k off there will never be a perfect app software for makin' perfect converted tracks, with excellent sound quality and the best possible size compression, no matter what input/output formats they will be.

For example I needed some time ago : which is the best (close) AAC 96 kbps equivalent for mp3 ? Is it 128kbps mp3, 160 kbps mp3, or maybe 320 kbps mp3? Is anyone able to help me?

Well, whatever... my opinion is: if someone wanna have excellent wav sound quality, well, spend some money for cd's/external drives HDD or another storage device and go for wav files...

or if someone considering mp3 320 kbps, for example, good enough for his ears , then go4it

I know there are people who will say that track sizes are an important point of view, and I know too there are much more experienced people than me in sound formats/compression, but this is just my opinion...

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