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There is some really incredible music on J00F's Nine Lives Album. To me, he seems to have been christened some time during the early 90's and it seems that the goa/psy scene was a big influence on him that carries through his sound today.

I say this without reading the interview. I'm just basing my statements on what I've heard from him in his sets and productions. He's the Danny Howells of trance and progressive. He cares much about his sound, he cares about the party. I get the sense from listening to him that he wants everyone listening to have the best possible night while he's behind the decks.

Long story short, I think he's 100% in it for the music.

I hope one of his friends finds this thread and sends it to him. John deserves the props.

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Originally posted by sljiva I'm really interested to see how the fuck will he and his friends reinvent the genre and push the boundaries now the evil commercial producers that obstructed them the whole time are gone. Shorten the breakdowns and make thicker basslines?

Bingo.

The problem nobody seems to be adressing for this initiative is exactly how this resurgence will SOUND. One of the biggest issues with trance is that both the big players and the crowd are relentlessly blinkered towards other kinds of music. It will not be supplied with the needed outside perspective, ideas and inspiration to reinvent itself if none of the trendsetting players have the balls to put aside the "trance" label for their DJ sets or productions, and set the precedence that a "pure trance" night doesn't automatically mean five to six hours in the grey area between progressive house and psy trance.

These things carry a significant financial risk, and will require drastic changes in the way the big players market themselves. Will J00f and others in a similar position within the scene tackle this kind of challenge?

I've addressed the issue of his/their musical focus before, but have been proven mightily wrong with the success of their club nights. Maybe i underestimated the gullibility of the clubbing audience, but there's probably more to it.

Even though i'm not a big fan of it anymore. Genre mixing is still the norm, with decades of fine-tuning mixing and set-flow ideas and most traditional electronic music with the exception of hiphop and breaks related genres mostly being purposefully produced to fit in such sets it really isn't a strange thing either. And set quality for a clubbing night is in many ways much more important then the actual music itself.

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Originally posted by Bierheld Even though i'm not a big fan of it anymore. Genre mixing is still the norm, with decades of fine-tuning mixing and set-flow ideas and most traditional electronic music with the exception of hiphop and breaks related genres mostly being purposefully produced to fit in such sets it really isn't a strange thing either. And set quality for a clubbing night is in many ways much more important then the actual music itself.

Sorry, but going by the kind of bills I see for clubnights around here and the music I've heard at these nights, I don't buy that genre mixing is "the norm" for bigger events where bigger DJs like J00f are involved. There is too much promotion that needs to be carried out and too insular expectations from the crowds for that to happen. Hell, you only need to look at previous J00f-related threads on TA to see what the reaction is once genres like house or disco are brought into the equation.

I'm not sure if we're clear on this, because i picked a rather unfortunate term for what i meant. With genre mix i meant a mix within one particular genre, not a mix of genres.

This is the third subforum I've seen this posted in. Wohoo.

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Originally posted by Euforix If I remember right he is a user of TA? Only thing he needs to do is log in every once in a while.

I'm pretty shure he does. He pops up and posts sometimes when it's a topic like this.

The thing is that J00F does actually mix up the genres in his sets, albeit fairly closely-related areas. You might be surprised how much techno he plays in some club sets, but it's also standard for him to go from progressive house and tribally tunes at the start, through prog-psy and into all out psy trance and splashes of goa. Granted, that's not a radical musical progression, but in any of his longer sets you're still guaranteeed to hear a lot of stuff that is in no way "pure trance", whatever that means.

Al of which is again why I think it's misguided of him to talk in these purist terms, because it's not what he's about as a DJ and it's not even what his nights are about. He's booked Dave Seaman as support for his next night at Passion, and Seaman doesn't play anything like trance these days.

J00F is not the only one, I've seen Christopher Lawrence speak out in interviews about how the trance scene has gone downhill and the pr thing they did for his label Pharmacy is priceless when it says �You�ll never be embarrassed to admit that you like our trance�.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The thing is that J00F does actually mix up the genres in his sets, albeit fairly closely-related areas. You might be surprised how much techno he plays in some club sets, but it's also standard for him to go from progressive house and tribally tunes at the start, through prog-psy and into all out psy trance and splashes of goa. Granted, that's not a radical musical progression, but in any of his longer sets you're still guaranteeed to hear a lot of stuff that is in no way "pure trance", whatever that means. Al of which is again why I think it's misguided of him to talk in these purist terms, because it's not what he's about as a DJ and it's not even what his nights are about. He's booked Dave Seaman as support for his next night at Passion, and Seaman doesn't play anything like trance these days.

Now I'm interested. What sort of Techno does he play?

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Originally posted by Bierheld Ah it's J00F time again. Seriously though, it's starting to get more and more tiring with every rant and i'm still confused as hell about these following standpoints: - What makes his sound 'true trance'. On what grounds are you even supposed to claim something like that? - How is his position any different from all the others thousands of good producers who are unable to attract attention because their music doesn't follow certain trends? From what i can see they were just in a luxury position back in the nineties and now their music's abstract and druggy nature is starting to catch up with them. They're already doing far better then anything i would have expected from listening to their music. I'm still sympathetic to his cause, but this is just getting stupid now.

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Originally posted by Ian Lotts I've seen Christopher Lawrence speak out in interviews about how the trance scene has gone downhill and the pr thing they did for his label Pharmacy is priceless when it says �You�ll never be embarrassed to admit that you like our trance�.

lmao off when I read that. best motto ever.

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Originally posted by Woony Now I'm interested. What sort of Techno does he play?

Mostly banging stuff. I saw him on NYE playing at Godskitchen and the first half of his set was pretty much thumping techno, which was quite a ballsy move in front of a main room trance crowd, but everyone loved it. I really couldn't be more specific though, I rarely ID tunes at the best of times and particularly not techno.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Mostly banging stuff. I saw him on NYE playing at Godskitchen and the first half of his set was pretty much thumping techno, which was quite a ballsy move in front of a main room trance crowd, but everyone loved it. I really couldn't be more specific though, I rarely ID tunes at the best of times and particularly not techno.

He did the same thing here in Toronto for the beginning of his set. It really was pretty awesome

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Originally posted by Woony Now I'm interested. What sort of Techno does he play?

he was hammering this a lil while back, id imagine what Js talking about is of a similar vein. I havent seen him play out for a bit though.

Here is a techno track that featured on a list he compiled for Beatport lately:



This instead is a track he used to open sets with at the end of 2010 - first half of 2011:



often paired with this one:

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2012 The year of the resurgence of the pure form of Trance

Must remember this at the end of the year.

Really doubt he will succeed but would be nice if he does.

I enjoy the current type of trance that is being played and the other styles which are being incorporated but something new and more in tune with its origins would be welcome.

Though I do wonder if the actual hypnotic nature of the original trance was simply because everyone was incredibly high on pills.

Anyway I hope he tries to innovate his sound and not say in the past and act like a dinosaur.

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Originally posted by Pete t I live in London, ten years ago the city was packed with underground Trance nights, I could go clubbing from Friday all the way to Monday none stop. I used to see Flemming every Sunday at Sunnyside up. There's hardly anything here now. Lucky to get a good Trance night once a month. Ministry of sound is a joke.

I'll get critized to fuck for saying this but you can blame The Gallery for that.

7-8 years ago when all the small underground nights were thriving, the Gallery (then at Turnmills), starting signing all their DJs to exclusive contracts which meant that they could not play for any other nights in London. This then ended up with all the nights closing down because they couldn't get any big name headliners to play with the smaller names at the time.

Great business but single handedly destroyed the London Trance scene.

Yeah I go gallery@ MOS every now and then depending on who's playing. I'm too young for turnmills but from what ive been told the general atmosphere was better.
a lot good acts play at MOS but also some terrible ones and often non complimenting djs get matched up.

I have to say I enjoy most times i've been but it does seem to run by dicks, apparently the djs get paid a tiny amount as well.

I'm always on the look out for trance events in london but MOS seems to be the only place :S

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Must remember this at the end of the year.

Paul Oakenfold is getting more serious, John Askew, Orkidia, Airwave, Lawrence. Ive also seen john ocallaghan, solostone have all been tweeting flemming. and more. something is happening

The state of the world is what has made trance so stale, once we stop being so depressed over not having money and not giving a shit about wars and start enjoying the sunset/sunrise again..thats when trance will return.

Am I really the first person to point out juno reactor are a psy trance project/band not a euro trance one(in regards to his reference to the matrix).

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Originally posted by Lightspeed The state of the world is what has made trance so stale, once we stop being so depressed over not having money and not giving a shit about wars and start enjoying the sunset/sunrise again..thats when trance will return.

I believe this man has all the answers.

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Originally posted by Euforix Oakenfold... I mean of course I respect him for everything he has done for EDM in the past and he has had a very honorable history with it. But I just can't understand this all of a sudden comeback into it. First he was making music with Madonna and produced an album with her (+tour) and then he suddenly jumps into making "Never Mind The Bollocks"-mix which was used to be a vision of new pure "trance". That comp had some nice tunes in it but like 30-40% of the tracks still were some commercial crap that were only put there for making it sell better (nothing wrong in that though, after all it's just business...). I mean it just sounds weird to my ears.

Oakenfold has always been within boundaries of different genres, has it ever occured to you that these so-called commercial tracks are put there because he thinks its good music ? why does every slightly commercial/catchy track has to be made or used in the purpose of making money?

I understand if you absolutely hate vocal tracks, but personally i like it a lot.

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