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Originally posted by DJ RANN Wow, what the fuck are you lot up to? A) Rodri - WTF? You're saying on older mixers the DJ's you saw were redlining with only one track playing and that was "fine"? Nope, it just means they didn't know what they were doing and it gets even worse when it's both tracks playing. Sure you could get away with the occasional redline on old formula sound, vestax, rane, bozak, even modern A&H you can get away with it to a degree but on anything else it just sounds like shit. Always has. especially on poineer mixers. B) Don't put a limiter on the master. Turn it off. It just hides any peaks that clip with hard wall limiting. Fine, to curtail the very odd escapee peak clip, then I suppose it's better than digital clipping but it's bad practice to teach yourself you've always got a buffer if you don't watch your levels. C) You want to get as close as possible to 0dbfs with your mix. Don't forget your noise floor is at a set level. If you print your mix at -10dbfs then gain change later to get closer to 0dbfs, your noise floor is at -10db proportionate to your signal strength which then increases with your volume change and that therefore means more noise at 0dbfs (bad). I have to disagree with making up the gain in the analogue world; a quiet digital signal will need a lot of attentuation and the noise floor as stated above is imprinted at the given level. By having to jack it up with an amp or speakers (etc) you're raising the volume of the signal along with the inherent noise. The other problem is that anaolgue amplifiers also add their own noise with increases exponentially as you get louder so the more you have to increase the more noise is introduced. If you're not doing offline processing after you've mixed (like radio compression etc), What you need to do is mix as close to 0dbfs as possible; so play both tracks, mid mix and set your gain staging on your mixer so that even at the busiest, loudest points (like both tracks dropping at the same time) you're still just under 0db. That means you can mix without clipping.

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I don't use gains when i mix cuz i don't need to, i rarely run across tracks with poor gain or bad mastering.

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd I don't use gains when i mix cuz i don't need to, i rarely run across tracks with poor gain or bad mastering.

Eh? Unless you are just using jacked up gains which stay stationary, then only using the faders to set channel volume (which is not great practice as you then can't utilise the faders the way they are mean to be used) it's pretty damn impossible to have all your tracks naturally match each other. There's no standard unless you're playing super over compressed pop which is all just jacked up but even then not everything will match.

You have to be using something to match perceived volumes between different tracks?

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd I don't use gains when i mix cuz i don't need to, i rarely run across tracks with poor gain or bad mastering.

There's plenty of tracks out there with bad mastering. Especially in the edm world. if your using the auto gain in Traktor that's why you aren't noticing much.

i still don't need to use the gains, the flow is steadily just listen to my mixes and you'll see

lol

because a mix should be the same volume for a whole hour. Same bpm too. Ahh rookie djs. So cute. Ummm i can't play here , there is no place for my laptop and i don't know how to use a cd player. Whats a vinyl ?

i keep the gains at 5 which is the middle

by the way, your promo mix , at 9 40 - 50, huge volume change. Do that in a club and you will have people reaching for their ears. So ya, i would stop assuming every track has the same dynamic profile and rms profile. They don't. I suppose it doesn't really matter to bedroom djs but still. About a 5 dB rms change in 4 seconds. Not very smooth. It might work out on average but you will have those spots that don't. I find one in 9 minutes.

i mean if you don't have to beatmatch anymore, at least pay attention to the fucking gain. Honestly, what the fuck are you doing otherwise other than looking at the hot girls that are waiting to dance for the dj that doesn't suck.

WHen i dj'd my brothers wedding, i was expecting to be rather drunk so I designed a program that fed the mB GR i had on each track in huge red numbers. It basically would tell me how much i was going over the predefined limit so that if I was about to pass out, well i can assure you the gain is right. The fact that i've started playing rick astley debarge and the dazz band , well no program was made to account for that.

there is no jump in waveform when i bounced it in logic so fukk off. YOur productions sound like toddler fiddling around with his synth for the first time. Now lets hear your mix instead of talking trash

people have their own way of doing things and i choose mine. I use to use the gains but that was while ago and my mixes didn't go as well. Btw i can't use my gains anyway cuz o have a done 32 . They are in the back

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd there is no jump in waveform when i bounced it in logic so fukk off. YOur productions sound like toddler fiddling around with his synth for the first time. Now lets hear your mix instead of talking trash

no jumps ?

so your telling me your mix is just one big voltage fuck that is pushing the tweater out ? lol
Go and listen you fuck. at 930 - 10. If you can't hear how akward the change in perceived volume is, you should see a doctor.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney no jumps ? so your telling me your mix is just one big voltage fuck that is pushing the tweater out ? lol Go and listen you fuck. at 930 - 10. If you can't hear how akward the change in perceived volume is, you should see a doctor.

i'm busy i'll listen later for time being go fuck yourself and find out why nobody wants to listen to your productions

ooh no i don't feel well cuz i can't hear a difference LOL

sorry but if some tracks are a little bit louder i'm not going to turn my mixer around so i adjust the gain and ruin the mix

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd ooh no i don't feel well cuz i can't hear a difference LOL sorry but if some tracks are a little bit louder i'm not going to turn my mixer around so i adjust the gain and ruin the mix

lol yes i suppose djing and the tools used at least the good ones were not really made for bedroom hacks like you. Again , you aren't a dj if you are playing to nobody so why you are even in this thread is kinda weird.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney lol yes i suppose djing and the tools used at least the good ones were not really made for bedroom hacks like you. Again , you aren't a dj if you are playing to nobody so why you are even in this thread is kinda weird.

so your saying my mixer sucks you talentless prick. Go practice and maybe one day your tunes will inspire

not sure why you think attacking something that has nothing to do with this threat changes the fact you have no idea what you are doing. Like when your granddad made you suck his dick, getting some guy to suck yours doesn't make it not happen or balance some universal scale. This is not algebra. So stick to the topic at hand.

And i didn't say your mixer sucked, i said you aren't a dj. You are a kid that lives at home that plays dj like people play rockband.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney not sure why you think attacking something that has nothing to do with this threat changes the fact you have no idea what you are doing. Like when your granddad made you suck his dick, getting some guy to suck yours doesn't make it not happen or balance some universal scale. This is not algebra. So stick to the topic at hand. And i didn't say your mixer sucked, i said you aren't a dj. You are a kid that lives at home that plays dj like people play rockband.

so me not using gains, pretty much sums up i don't know what i'm doing

my mixer won't let me use gains you ****

yup. It shows that you assume tracks have the same loudness, they don't. It shows you've never actually been in a club and noticed how changes i showed you are amplified quite a bit. I mean there are about 100 threads of you not really knowing what you are doing at anything so I would not sweat it. So ya, if you did that at a club, the dj playing after you would say , fuck this guy does not know what he is doing. Right after he fucked your girlfriend in the washroom while you were trying to figure out why tracktor isn't beatmaching like it promised in the add. But this is all hypothetical because right now, the only one that is hearing you mix is your mom.

I never said tracks have the same loudness, i dj at many gigs and the flow was still fine with no problem. Like i said tracks might be louder then other but i don't mind it. I'm not going to turn my mixer up side down and adjust the gains. you don't even dj so why the fuck are you even here in the first place

oh and just take a gun and shoot yourself for the music that you make, its really bad

I suppose. But for some fucked up reason, WB seems to have me on retainer. And somehow , for being the shit composer I am , I seem to manage my way into the top tax bracket making music.

WHat is your day job? You live at home, dj alone and make 0$ with your music. I can't help the fact you seem to think music I made in 2004 . 1 track is somehow my career. I was payed 2000 $ for it. ANd did you not say in a previous thread you would fuck off ? SHouldn't a cool guy like you be out ?

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney I suppose. But for some fucked up reason, WB seems to have me on retainer. And somehow , for being the shit composer I am , I seem to manage my way into the top tax bracket making music. WHat is your day job? You live at home, dj alone and make 0$ with your music. I can't help the fact you seem to think music I made in 2004 . 1 track is somehow my career. I was payed 2000 $ for it. ANd did you not say in a previous thread you would fuck off ? SHouldn't a cool guy like you be out ?

i'm sorry that your 2004 tracks sucks, i guess before when i use to use the gains i knew what i was doing but i had a change of heart and decided to try something new and i get flamed for it? leave my cool self alone. Your productions on edm sound like a little boy made them. 'm closing this thread, maybe someone could make another. Next time just leave my ass alone. If i chose to do wrong for sometime just leave me be it. I have recorded mix on my djm900 nexus where i used the gains and that was aright but i prefer not to anymore. YOur studio the 2 iPads LOL and the rest is a waste of money after hearing what you make. bye

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