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Originally posted by Zlaught Everyone here seems to be in favor of the machinedrum, but i dont understand what this has over the electribe esx1. since they are both samplers, cant you get the same kicks etc..?

The Elektron Machinedrum also has fm synthesis to make it's drum sounds.

http://www.elektron.se/products/machinedrum

Sorry to keep bumping this thread but,

I've now narrowed my choice down to getting either the Electribe ESX1 or NI Maschine(or instead of either just get a bunch of FX equipment). I've come to the realization that I'm more interested in weird/creative effects type hardware things, rather than a drum machine. I suppose mainly because the tempest/jomox/machinedrum currently aren't in my budget.

I currently own NI Komplete 7 / Access virus ti2 / mr5 mackie studio monitors / logic 8. I have about 800$ to spend.

Originally Maschine was something i was not really considering getting until i just recently learned you can load FX into it, which seems sick.(also maschine appears to have one of the better workflows/ease of use when compared to other similar products. Are there many FX available to be downloaded(whether free or paid for) besides the ones NI has?

Electribe ESX1 can only use the FX it comes with correct? please let me know whether this is correct or not as it is a HUGE/DECIDING factor in my choice

Also I've read soooooo many post about buttons breaking etc... on the Electribes. Where as if i get a Maschine I have tons of faith in its durability as i haven't read much about them malfunctioning plus I really like their other products and think they are of great quality.

lastly back on the topic, what I'm currently most interested in is FX hardware. What options are out their besides the Korg Kaoss lineup? If you're reading this please respond to this as i really want to learn more about the FX hardware options available

Thanks for taking the time to read this, it means so much to me as I am about to drop a lot of cash on equipment that is completely foreign to me(except from the youtube I've watched) and if i can get some responses from you great producers to help me get the most bang for my buck it means a lot.

Also I'd like to apologize that I have never really contributed anything to the forums other than posting newb questions, however once i have learned more and have greater insight id love nothing more than to give back to a community that has helped me so much.

Thanks for your help guys,
Zlaught


EDIT: Also I'm looking for what I believe is called a "rack" or "mount". so like i can put whatever drum machine / sampler i get over my keyboard. I tried google but I think I'm too intoxicated to find what I'm looking for, could some kind gentleman link me to what I'm trying to describe, Thank You

Oh yeah, also does it matter if my monitors are on sitting on wooden tables, or do I need to have them on a "rack" or "mount"?

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Originally posted by Zlaught I've come to the realization that I'm more interested in weird/creative effects type hardware things, rather than a drum machine. I suppose mainly because the tempest/jomox/machinedrum currently aren't in my budget. I currently own NI Komplete 7 / Access virus ti2 / mr5 mackie studio monitors / logic 8. I have about 800$ to spend. Originally Maschine was something i was not really considering getting until i just recently learned you can load FX into it, which seems sick.(also maschine appears to have one of the better workflows/ease of use when compared to other similar products. Are there many FX available to be downloaded(whether free or paid for) besides the ones NI has? Electribe ESX1 can only use the FX it comes with correct? please let me know whether this is correct or not as it is a HUGE/DECIDING factor in my choice

I think that maybe you're a little confused as to what Maschine and Electribes do. Maschine is essentially a software drum machine with a dedicated controller that also can work as a pseudo-DAW. You can load any VST or AU effect or instrument into it and it really integrates nicely with Komplete (e.g., open any Komplete instrument and the controls are already mapped out for you). I highly recommend spending some time on NI's website watching all the Maschine tutorials before spending your money on it. In other words, it's not something that I'd recommend buying if you're looking for a hardware effects unit, because that's not what it's designed to do.

Electribe's are basically standalone grooveboxes. You can create songs in them (although the synthesis is pretty limited, depending on which model you're looking at). I've never owned one, so I'll stop there and let someone who does/has owned one clarify further, but I will say that this is also probably not what you're looking for either, based on what you wrote above.

Okay I'll make one more post before i head off to watch a ton of maschine videos. The first few I saw were a huge turn off because it felt like some dude who is sponsored by NI is trying to sell you their product instead of explain both the pros and cons of it. But that's sales and I shouldn't get mad over something like that so I'll have to watch a lot of more maschine videos with a more open minded view.

You said "You can load any VST or AU effect or instrument into it", I was aware that it integrates nicely with Komplete, but can you load FX from other companies and such? If so can you give me an example of a non NI FX you load and use on your Maschine?

Also seeing as your one of the more knowledgeable posters on this forum, since you mentioned neither of these seem to be quite what I'm looking for; are you aware of any FX hardware for tweaking/distorting or w/e sounds? The only ones I've seen are the Kaoss products but there has got to be more out there.

EDIT: Also, if you can load any VST or AU effect into Maschine, wouldn't this be exactly what I want since I pretty much just what a Hardware device that has tons of effects to manipulate other sounds? I'm confused as to why you said that that's not what maschine is for when besides sampling and etc, if you can load any FX you want into it, it seems to me like a dream FX machine. Sorry if this completely wrong and I'm completely misunderstanding, if that's the case ill post again in a day or two when i have some time to get highly informed about these products.



REPOST please answer this if possible
EDIT:since you mentioned neither of these seem to be quite what I'm looking for; are you aware of any FX hardware for tweaking/distorting or w/e sounds? The only ones I've seen are the Kaoss products but there has got to be more out there.


Thanks for the help

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Originally posted by Zlaught You said "You can load any VST or AU effect or instrument into it", I was aware that it integrates nicely with Komplete, but can you load FX from other companies and such? If so can you give me an example of a non NI FX you load and use on your Maschine?

All of them. Yes, literally every one of the hundreds of non-NI VST plugins that I own works in Maschine. It's pretty cool!

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Originally posted by Zlaught Also seeing as your one of the more knowledgeable posters on this forum, since you mentioned neither of these seem to be quite what I'm looking for; are you aware of any FX hardware for tweaking/distorting or w/e sounds? The only ones I've seen are the Kaoss products but there has got to be more out there.

There are a ton of hardware FX units on the market, but I actually have little experience with the newer ones. You could consider something like a Sherman FilterBank, which is a hardware filter, but it has a ton of range and will add a lot of drive/distortion/filtering to your tracks. Lexicon and TC Electronics make some very good multi-effects units as well. Or, you could just buy a bunch of different stompboxes and arrange them in different configurations.

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Originally posted by Zlaught Also, if you can load an VST or AU effect into Maschine, wouldnt this be exactly what I want since I pretty much just what a Hardware device that has tons of effects to manipulate other sounds?

Well, yes, you could do that, but it's not necessary. It's much more straightforward to just play the audio in your DAW and add the effects directly to the audio track (i.e., in the FX bin) and/or as a send to plugins on a bus. Routing it through Maschine would just complicate the process with no real benefit. Remember that Maschine is not a standalone FX unit - the hardware controller is only a dedicated controller for the Maschine software (or for other hardware, if you want to use it that way). But, it doesn't generate any sound or FX on its own. The Maschine software is what hosts your FX plugins and it can either operate as a host (i.e., standalone mode), or as a subhost (i.e., inside your DAW software), but it doesn't work without the computer.

also note the machine hardware is a midi CONTROLLER, there is no audio circuitry on there, not even an onboard soundcard like a TRAKTOR S4
so you NEED a PC to work with it, the PC needs to be on and needs to provide a soundcard. Not looking at your laptop screen is not the same as working "stand alone"

There were quite some people who did not inform themselves very well and thought they purchased some kind of MPC or drumsynth. They we're quite dissapointed as it's neither.
It's a software VSTi/Host with dedicated controller. You can even use it's software WITHOUT touching the controller (though it fully defeats it's purpose)

Thanks a lot for the info Cryophonik.

If anyone has any experience or owns a hardware FX unit, could you please chime in and give your thoughts on it. IT would mean a lot to me. As I've just did a complete 360 on what I was about to spend my money on o_0;.

I'll post tomorrow or something once i get some research done on some of the products you listed.

Once again thanks for the help

google
korg kaoss pad

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Originally posted by atxbigballer1 google korg kaoss pad

ya somewhere in my walls of text I mentioned that the only fx hardware I was familiar with was the kaoss series of stuff, thanks for the reply tho.

If any1 knows any others please feel free to post and thank you

why would one want FX hardware, that's just one of the area's where DSP shines ITB...... sound source hardware i can imagine, but FX?

btw
I think the TEMPEST sucks not the sounds i want and the UI looks like it sucks also!

NOT FOR ME!

Yeah the tempest is defo not for Trance, or electro Brostep crappy "me too" shit. you will NOT get Vengeance, loopmasters, or Sample Magic type polished sounds.
It's not ROLAND type Techno either. it's analogue and sounds very unprocessed. though it's perfect for 80'ties music, minimal techno and more IDM type stuff.

it's a HUGE contrast with the TEEN highly processed clipped sound you hear on beatport nowadays. But if you're no longer into THAT sound then you can have loads of fun.
But people who are looking for "getting them beatz fixed" and think a box is the magic fix for not being able to program a modern beat ITB are out of their mind anyway. the NU sound is FULLY ITB stacked processed sample loops. THAT sound will not come out of a TEMPEST

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Originally posted by atxbigballer1 NOT FOR ME!

I could be wrong, maybe I am just a Elektron fan boy!

I've bought an MBASE-11 next to it, just for the more 909'sh type kicks, again VERY different



Together, for me, it's heaven

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Originally posted by Raphie I've bought an MBASE-11 next to it, just for the more 909'sh type kicks, again VERY different Together, for me, it's heaven

I want that with a Elektron!

analogue sound (not trance or techno, just a jam)
tempest + mbase-11 + moogs + P08 + JP-8080 (being va ofcourse)just download and listen at 320 rather than 128 sounds a lot different to ITB sound. (whether you like it or not, is your call ofcourse)

Complete newb question here but,

If I purchase a desktop synth and a drum machine, how do i connect everything together?

I own studio monitors and a virus, so can i plug the desktop synth and drum machine into the virus?(would the virus then be acting as a sound card for them?) If this is possible is there any con?

If the above is possible, what do I need to purchase once all the slots on the virus are full? is audio interface the correct term?

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Originally posted by Raphie analogue sound (not trance or techno, just a jam) tempest + mbase-11 + moogs + P08 + JP-8080 (being va ofcourse)just download and listen at 320 rather than 128 sounds a lot different to ITB sound. (whether you like it or not, is your call ofcourse)

sounds like you are using reason stock refills. Not so analog in any way. It doesn't sound diferent, it sounds bad. It is not analog the second you've put it in the computer.

And saying it isn't for trance is non sense.People that think gear is restricted to genres are kinda stupid. Guess where all those sample cds people use come from ? drum machines like this. All of them. Well maybe indirectly but they all started off as some wimpy analog 909 with processing.

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Originally posted by Zlaught Complete newb question here but, If I purchase a desktop synth and a drum machine, how do i connect everything together? I own studio monitors and a virus, so can i plug the desktop synth and drum machine into the virus?(would the virus then be acting as a sound card for them?) If this is possible is there any con? If the above is possible, what do I need to purchase once all the slots on the virus are full? is audio interface the correct term?

Yes, you will need an audio interface (soundcard) to record the audio, and you will also need a MIDI interface to connect and sync the drum machine to your computer (unless it sends/receives MIDI via USB). Many soundcards have a built-in MIDI in/out, or you can pick up something cheap, like the M-Audio Uno.

I love the roland mc-303 groovebox! My 1st studio synth / beatbox back in 1999!

I been playing around with Rebirth!

where can i buy an msbase 11

www.thomann.de
www.musicstore.de
www.jomox.de

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