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Posted by Scorchio on Sep-01-2002 18:35:

Hmm, but thats exactly what I did.
You will rarely hear a set with the tunes I played in that club, being played in the same club by another DJ.
And believe me that if I would play Sasha's style with tracks that are due to be released in 10 years from now, it wouldnt have changed things, becuase you can stand up there and play your finest tracks and then some wanker comes up and playes Dee Dee - Forever and everyone are going mad.

Posted by Kama on Sep-01-2002 19:35:

.. And to think, one of you said "cheese making ladies scream.." .. You've obviously (ha!) never seen Sasha or John Digweed play live in a fully packed club. There are girls trying to climb INTO the DJ booth through the glass barrier.

Hmmm. Well I HAVE seen Digweed and Sasha several times in London. I look up to Digweed with much respect. I've been playing college parties where the majority of the people don't know their tunes, so at times I attempt to play a little (very, very little) cheese, perhaps to give them something they know, to relate to. But even then, it's not the most well known of it. I also do not limit myself to what's current; if an older tune should/could thrown in, why not?
I do play Prog in the deeper vein- digweed, sasha, humate, kleinenberg, tomeii, porter, junkie XL, on+on+on.... It's what I love and am serious about.
"smacked him in the head".... wow...
I do play what I like and what makes people shake their ass. That toca example was from last fall.

otherwise, no offense taken.

Posted by Greedy on Sep-01-2002 19:47:

Im gonna give some slack to the guy. . . . .

Almost everywhere you go in the USA, all you hear is rap and pop music and if its anything resembling techno, its prolly cheeze. Being a true trance amateur DJ is very dismal, even if you have a good ability to pick the right tracks and even have good mixing skills. Ive yet to see a trance DJ bang any college house party using strictly trance SUCCESSFULLY.

If youre a big name with mad skillz like PVD, Johan, etc. . . . you can spin whatever the fuck you want because ppl are coming to SEE YOU.
Otherwise, ppl are coming to the party or for the beer, chicks, etc. . . .and if youre not playing the right music, youre gonna offend a lot of ppl and youll get the boot.

Posted by Kid Lax on Sep-01-2002 20:34:

the other guy deserved to win
granted its not based on dj skill (although we don't exactly know how well you mixed yourself...)...but on crowd and judge reaction

the other dj catered to the judges and crowds taste...and got rewarded for it
i hate to say it but not everyone has the same taste in music as you and because they don't like your taste in music...doesn't mean they don't have any taste in music either...

a dj'ing competition is not based solely on skill
its an overall atmosphere...revolving essentially on crowd reaction and how the crowd responds to you (and the judges)

regardless of how shitty the mixing was, if another dj gets the crowd moving more than you and plays what they want to hear...then they deserve to win because they're doing their job better...
you're there to entertain the crowd...and if that means playing stuff that isn't your style then maybe you should try and play for a different crowd?

Posted by Luke Terry on Sep-01-2002 21:34:

nasty m8

Posted by Vizay on Sep-01-2002 21:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Scorchio
The Expander remix was meant to be the Flutlict Remix for who ever asked.

it's a shame that they didn't let you drop a 6th track :/

the flutlicht remix of expander would have been so perfect....it's a totally mindblowing track that never can go wrong....at least in my op

Posted by IronDragon on Sep-02-2002 00:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Busy Child
Im gonna give some slack to the guy. . . . .

Almost everywhere you go in the USA, all you hear is rap and pop music and if its anything resembling techno, its prolly cheeze. Being a true trance amateur DJ is very dismal, even if you have a good ability to pick the right tracks and even have good mixing skills. Ive yet to see a trance DJ bang any college house party using strictly trance SUCCESSFULLY.

If youre a big name with mad skillz like PVD, Johan, etc. . . . you can spin whatever the fuck you want because ppl are coming to SEE YOU.
Otherwise, ppl are coming to the party or for the beer, chicks, etc. . . .and if youre not playing the right music, youre gonna offend a lot of ppl and youll get the boot.

Agreed

Posted by nennon on Sep-02-2002 02:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Kid Lax
regardless of how shitty the mixing was, if another dj gets the crowd moving more than you and plays what they want to hear...then they deserve to win because they're doing their job better...
you're there to entertain the crowd...and if that means playing stuff that isn't your style then maybe you should try and play for a different crowd?

I agree with that.. If your goal is to win the crowd and the crowd expects something SPECIFIC (like at a DJ competition), play songs to please the crowd [like the other guy in your case]. If your goal is to become famous for being original, play something NO ONE has ever heard of.

I have to say that this is an interesting thread so far.. Pretty big clash of opinions.

Posted by DamnDirtyApe on Sep-02-2002 02:30:

It all depends on the crowd. Some will only want to hear the same old songs they've heard a million times already, but others are more open to new songs. There's not really anything you can do if the crowd wants cheese.

Posted by Scorchio on Sep-02-2002 09:05:

You know what you are saying is true, the goal is to get the crowd moving,
but when I played, everyone were jumping up and down, everyone were making huge noises and the floor was packed.
I certanly did my job as good as I could.
But since the judges thereselves are shitty DJs that keeps hammering Lasgo and Dee Dee every week in that same club, the moment he played those tunes, he won, no question about it.
I Think what he did was low, because its no problem to come with a shit load of commercial tracks and just fade them in and out and to win, I could have easily done that.
But I chose to give them stuff they have never heard before, I dont know how many of you know the Israel scene, but the tracks I played, are rarely played at parties for the crowd I was playing, unless there is a serious DJ involved who knows the stuff.
Otherwise its just Lasgo - Dee Dee - Ian Van Dahl.

Posted by DJ Sunburn on Sep-04-2002 01:30:

Sorry about what happened there m8. People just can't appreciate good DJs these days.

Posted by Arbiter on Sep-04-2002 05:32:

You have a legitimate gripe, but in a totally subjective analysis you can't really complain. They ought to provide entrants with a criteria by which they select the winner though, because it doesn't make sense that someone could screw up like that and win...

Posted by Scorchio on Sep-04-2002 11:55:

You could ask members of the forum who were there:
Hell_Copter
and oDrori
they both heard him and said he sucked.

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