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I plan on working a lame, soul draining 9-5 but when I come home i'll be making music as one of my many side hobbies.

I plan on releasing self released 12"s eventually. EDM (I don't really like saying this a genre because the ethos of techno artists are different from brostep artists, to me it's like saying that the "guitar music" is a genre) is a niche genre filled with more niches within niches, and that's why I expect to lose money in the process. I just want people to focus on music, If I have something worth releasing I'll do it. To me there was nothing cooler than going to a record store, getting a mysterious white label of an artist who you either don't know of or refused to put their name on their records. That's why I want to target the people who still buy vinyl.

In the end I don't think I'll be disappointed since I have surpassed my primary expectations already. Anything else is a welcome bonus. This is kind of premature though because pressing vinyl is expensive lol.

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Originally posted by Kysora Eh. I'm 20, been at it since I was 15, and I've never had any sort of ambition. It's a hobby with a massive learning curve and I don't put the sort of time into it to get anything back. That said I really, really take pride in my music. I've been doing this for a relatively short amount of time, spent over 3 years with so little technical experience that I had absolutely no clue how to use a simple compressor, and yet my music sounds pretty good to me. I'm actually happy with what I make and my overall style. How many people can say confidently say that about their own music? As nice as it is that the end result of about 40-50 hours of work gets the attention of about 100 people at a time, and a couple of them even take the time to give me feedback.. I dunno. The feedback is almost always really positive and yet my music gets so little attention, I sometimes feel like more people could enjoy what I make if I had any way of getting noticed. I just don't have the time or energy to create a network of people who care about what I churn out, and because of that it's easy to feel like I'm not doing anything right, or even if I am it must not be anything worth paying attention to. But I'm still new to this, and I legitimately enjoy the music I make and the process behind it, so whatever. It makes it worth putting up with the frustration of nobody else really giving a shit about the one thing I'm really passionate about. At least, that's the case most of the time..

Promo section along with SC are both internet circle jerks.

Music like most things is a pyramid. 1% get's 99% of the fans, press, money, ect. That is why I think it is pointless to aim for anything other than the top. Otherwise there is no money to be made, no fans to be had, no feedback you will be given, ect.

It is absolutely pointless in my mind to make music that no one (or even just 1000 people) listen to and then it ends up in the great internet glut of noise forever where it will sit never being discovered or enjoyed by virtually anyone (like soundcloud or youtube).

It's still a way to direct people to your music.. but, that's what I'm saying, I have no clue how the hell to get my music out there. As far as I know nobody really cares when I release a new track, it goes largely unnoticed by all but a very small number of people.

I don't know. The best I can hope for is to establish a connection with other artists by actively seeking out their music, listening to it, commenting, and hoping they'd do the same for me. I just don't have the time for it, really. And labels don't want anything to do with me.

I know it's my fault on some level, but I really just don't understand how to get a decent sized audience. Musicians far better than myself have said great things about my music, so I must be doing something right. Promotion, though, I wouldn't even know where to start

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Originally posted by Trancelover03591 Music like most things is a pyramid. 1% get's 99% of the fans, press, money, ect. That is why I think it is pointless to aim for anything other than the top. Otherwise there is no money to be made, no fans to be had, no feedback you will be given, ect. It is absolutely pointless in my mind to make music that no one (or even just 1000 people) listen to and then it ends up in the great internet glut of noise forever where it will sit never being discovered or enjoyed by virtually anyone (like soundcloud or youtube).

You might want to not produce trance then if you want to make it to the top. House and dubstep are on the rise.

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Originally posted by Trancelover03591 Music like most things is a pyramid. 1% get's 99% of the fans, press, money, ect. That is why I think it is pointless to aim for anything other than the top. Otherwise there is no money to be made, no fans to be had, no feedback you will be given, ect. It is absolutely pointless in my mind to make music that no one (or even just 1000 people) listen to and then it ends up in the great internet glut of noise forever where it will sit never being discovered or enjoyed by virtually anyone (like soundcloud or youtube).

There is two different issues which you may have to consider:

1) you may never going to have huge fan base group of people just because of the type of music you produce or quality of it.

2) you may never going to have huge fan base group of people just because they don't know anything about you.

And from my perspective you have to take care of point #1 and I will try to help you with point #2 and on top of that you will receive a fair pay for your fair effort.

This is how I can see it!

Cheers,

Darek

Does this service you've been talking about do anything to help somewhat talented nobodies like myself?

like, those of us who don't already have the 1,000 people supporting them, like you mentioned in that other thread. I'd kill to have that many fans, haha

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Originally posted by jayxthekoolest You might want to not produce trance then if you want to make it to the top. House and dubstep are on the rise.

I produce most styles. I don't produce dubstep (it won't even be around when I get some exposure anyway) but I do some Avicii style 'House', Trance, Techno, progressive house, ect.

EDM for me is just a hobby. I don't have delusion of grandeur about ever doing well at it or making an obscene amount of money from it but I wouldn't be too upset if it somehow happened.

I've been lucky in that I've worked in some top studios with serious talent and don't get me wrong it was fucking great, but honestly the hours were soul destroying, and when it was a job, the fun parts started getting outweighed by the chore parts, to the point, I stopped seeing any magic due to the day to day grind. When you start taking something like that for granted, it's time to change as it's not right for you.

I still like to keep my hands in it, and DJ'ing every so often is a good laugh, but I just could never do the guetta/shm/ec fistpumping and faux knob twiddling while dressing like an absolute cock which is required these days to make the serious money in the DJ field.

As for production, I'd love to have a little earning off productions, just to know that I made something and people bought it, and then do something enjoyable with the money.

So for now, I'm happy to own a non music related business, do well from that, and spend a little time here and there noodling with logic for fun at home or doing the occasional project with other bands/artists or the odd remix.

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Originally posted by Kysora Does this service you've been talking about do anything to help somewhat talented nobodies like myself?

Lol, lets start with this, you are not "nobodies" lol, you are simply unheard of or unknown on the market and when people will come across your name, some or even most of them may like you and buy your product/track and this is what the whole thing should be about, like a "hub" for producers (no details lol) - do you get this idea?

Sound cool and interesting but a lot of logistics still need to be figure out.

Cheers guys,

Darek

It's the whole getting people to come across my name thing that I don't get. Soundcloud and beatport give me the same exact opportunity you described.

But you're not giving details so I can't speak like I know anything about it. hope it works out for you.

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Originally posted by Kysora It's still a way to direct people to your music.. but, that's what I'm saying, I have no clue how the hell to get my music out there. As far as I know nobody really cares when I release a new track, it goes largely unnoticed by all but a very small number of people. I don't know. The best I can hope for is to establish a connection with other artists by actively seeking out their music, listening to it, commenting, and hoping they'd do the same for me. I just don't have the time for it, really. And labels don't want anything to do with me. I know it's my fault on some level, but I really just don't understand how to get a decent sized audience. Musicians far better than myself have said great things about my music, so I must be doing something right. Promotion, though, I wouldn't even know where to start

I don't think you get it. People are jerking each other off, telling one another that their shit is great...when in reality its not.

If you were making andy blueman shit I would be surprised if you got very little attention, but you aren't.





There's an Andy track w/ half a million hits, and then there's your track. If your track doesn't sound professional, don't expect a lot of attention from listeners or labels.

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Originally posted by Kysora It's the whole getting people to come across my name thing that I don't get. Soundcloud and beatport give me the same exact opportunity you described. But you're not giving details so I can't speak like I know anything about it. hope it works out for you.

Lol, I get what you are asking for man, let say even is someone will find you and buy you on beatpot, how much money you will have from that purchase? (what is this percentage 15~20) - in case of this new idea you will have between 60~70% of any sell. On top of that we will have weekly producer promotion corner which will be on the front/main page for the whole week (no more detail lol, you are pulling my tongue )

Cheers,

Darek

there is this thing called Itunes. Guess what they keep, 40%. Honestly , your idea is not going to work because you are looking at it from the wrong end. Worry first about getting people buying , then sort the rest out. That is the problem with beatport, and well yoru system. It is only for EDM. And by making it EDM, you alienate the average person. They don't think of it as EDM.And unless you have about 100 000 kicking around, what on earth do you really plan to do. Keeping 70% of 0 is still 0. You don't get it, nobody is ever going to buy 99% of the shit they sell on beatport.

This is all nice talking about it and what not but it smells of the same bullshit coke talk that JOOF was shitting last month. It is lame. People that do stuff don't make fucking polls on TA about it. And considering the amount of shit that gets say on here, and well I 'm assuming you don't have the sort of capital to do anything remotely useful, well it just sounds like you are talking bullshit.

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Originally posted by Beatflux There's an Andy track w/ half a million hits, and then there's your track. If your track doesn't sound professional, don't expect a lot of attention from listeners or labels.

I don't think you get it. I didn't say I expect attention because a few people on SC say I'm talented. I've got examples but I'm not in the mood to list off the few good things anyone's said about my music so people can judge me based off of them

I'm just saying, if I have the whole talent thing somewhat sorted out, I don't know where to go from there. That's my fault, I believe I mentioned that, but it's still frustrating and it's relevant to the whole "future expectations" thing we're supposed to be talking about.

that track is 2 and a half years old as well, I'm not really sure why you went straight for the oldest track on my soundcloud as if it represents my current abilities as a producer. I never claimed to make "andy blueman shit".

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Originally posted by Kysora ] I'm just saying, if I have the whole talent thing somewhat sorted out, I don't know where to go from there. That's my fault, I believe I mentioned that, but it's still frustrating and it's relevant to the whole "future expectations" thing we're supposed to be talking about.

get published on a major label

have a big name dj play your track every day for a month

hire a manager

make more tracks

profit

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney there is this thing called Itunes. Guess what they keep, 40%. Honestly , your idea is not going to work because you are looking at it from the wrong end. Worry first about getting people buying , then sort the rest out. That is the problem with beatport, and well yoru system. It is only for EDM. And by making it EDM, you alienate the average person. They don't think of it as EDM.And unless you have about 100 000 kicking around, what on earth do you really plan to do. This is all nice talking about it and what not but it smells of the same bullshit coke talk that JOOF was shitting last month. It is lame.

Why on Earth you are so close minded man/you/Rich, ....., I though that you one of the best, cool minded, fresh look kind of guy which always have a different view and perspective then most people over here - what a disappointment.

How you going to learn running as a kid if you didn't even start walking on your own?? - every small fail is another step to success my friend and this may not happen overnight but at least will be a beginning of some interesting and massive but positive changes for producers in this industries.

Remember, changing this direction the industries operates is going to be slow process but at least we going to make it happen.

Cheers,

Darek

What's the difference between the two tracks?

do you have a reason for spamming my tracks here while ignoring everything else I'm saying or do you have an actual point you're trying to make

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Why on Earth you are so close minded man/you/Rich, ....., I though that you one of the best, cool minded, fresh look kind of guy which always have a different view and perspective then most people over here - what a disappointment. How you going to learn running as a kid if you didn't even start walking on your own?? - every small fail is another step to success my friend and this may not happen overnight but at least will be a beginning of some interesting and massive but positive changes for producers in this industries. Remember, changing this direction the industries operates is going to be slow process but at least we going to make it happen. Cheers, Darek

dude , see i am

but like you need to shut up, and just do it. If this is your idea of fucking market research, well fuck, i think you just proved my point. People that do things do it, they don't talk about it. And you just talk and you don't really inspire anything worthwhile. I mean if i had a shitload of cash to burn, you wouldn't see a dime. THat is how you are not selling yourself. This is the kind of shit people say when they are drunk and you know its bs but you don't say anything because his friend is know to give the best rim jobs on thee upper east side.

What you are talking about , is what joof was talking about, which is just your own version of beatport which fdoesn't solve the problem and the fact you don't seem to know what the problem is, well that to me is enough. The problem isn't that Raphie isn't making money. Raphie shoudln't make money. The problem is that about only 5% of the people that like EDM manage to find a way to buy it and if you think you can run something that is not integrated into Itunes, dream on. Sure , your hardcore fans buy off your site, eveyrone else will be using Itunes. Accept that. Itunes is where the music business is and for the moment only is concerning download sales.

I am being realistic, what you are thinking about has been done and at this point in time, unless you have alot of money to even make a dent in itunes which you won't, what can you offer ? 70%? again 70% of 0 is 0.

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Originally posted by Kysora do you have a reason for spamming my tracks here while ignoring everything else I'm saying or do you have an actual point you're trying to make

See you're young so you still have a chance to make it. He's probably just a bitter old man trying to make you hate life like he does

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Originally posted by Beatflux What's the difference between the two tracks?

about 4 years of experience. I could post one of my tracks from 2008 to show how far I've come in that amount of time but I still have no fucking idea what your point is.

unless you're just trying to take a fellow musician who's clearly a tad discouraged at the moment, and using that opportunity to sufficiently shit all over what's left of their ego, just for the hell of it.

in which case, carry on

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Originally posted by jayxthekoolest See you're young so you still have a chance to make it. He's probably just a bitter old man trying to make you hate life like he does

Hey Cryo and TL, am I psychic or what?

Quote from Page 2 of this thread...

"The best part is there will be 80 percent of the thread readers thinking what 'jaded old farts' we are 'who gave on the dream..AND THAT WON'T BE ME MAN!!!! I'M GONNA BE RICH!!!"

When in reality I, and I' have no doubt you, hav led some pretty interesting and satisfying lives."

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Originally posted by Normie Hey Cryo and TL, am I psychic or what? Quote from Page 2 of this thread... "The best part is there will be 80 percent of the thread readers thinking what 'jaded old farts' we are 'who gave on the dream..AND THAT WON'T BE ME MAN!!!! I'M GONNA BE RICH!!!" When in reality I, and I' have no doubt you, hav led some pretty interesting and satisfying lives."

you're not psychic. you're an idiot. you guys are just jaded old farts. that's reality.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney dude , see i am but like you need to shut up, and just do it. If this is your idea of fucking market research, well fuck, i think you just proved my point. People that do things do it, they don't talk about it. And you just talk and you don't really inspire anything worthwhile. I mean if i had a shitload of cash to burn, you wouldn't see a dime. THat is how you are not selling yourself.

Who that heck you are inspiring at this moment "Dude", not me, not people who are seriously thinking about doing something with their live and don't want to listen your depressing comment all the time.

You are bright and technically talented duds but at the same time you are so freaking "dumb" to the level of pure ignorance and stupidity - sorry, somebody have to tell you that and you may not deserve this but the way you are trying to take this ownership in everything whats happening over here - you got what you ask for dude.

OK guys, never mind, L4B said that this is stupid idea so lets forget about it.

Cheers,

Darek

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