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Originally posted by Orko When your core customers are businesses, you have to more 'stable'. In the consumer market, you are right, they are behind. But like I said, there is a reason, and I can understand it. Product integration, and upgrade cycles suck.

Absolutely, I agree. I'm not saying their business model and methods are bad because the company has maintained growth and is highly profitable which speaks for itself. I might even say out of Apple, Google and MS, they have the best methods of generating revenue. I'm just saying as a consumer I don't like it.

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Originally posted by GGM I use XP at home and 7 at work and honestly prefer XP cause I find things a bit more simplistic in a good way. Like taking three clicks to get something done where in 7 it might take five.

I do software dev/qa across all OS' and find this hard to believe. There are a lot of little tricks that can be learned on win7 that can make it infinitely easier to use. WinXP is atrocious compared to win7 when browsing folders and subdirectories. Application launch times are also 25-50% slower. Also the inability to access more than 3.7 gb ram means alot more page file writing (slow). Even if you have 64bit XP, its buggy as hell.

For the average user i guess there is something to be said about familiarity.. in which case XP might seem quicker since you're more familiar with it, but i can guarantee you that it isnt quicker in anyway.

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Originally posted by feelgood I do software dev/qa across all OS' and find this hard to believe. There are a lot of little tricks that can be learned on win7 that can make it infinitely easier to use. WinXP is atrocious compared to win7 when browsing folders and subdirectories. Application launch times are also 25-50% slower. Also the inability to access more than 3.7 gb ram means alot more page file writing (slow). Even if you have 64bit XP, its buggy as hell. For the average user i guess there is something to be said about familiarity.. in which case XP might seem quicker since you're more familiar with it, but i can guarantee you that it isnt quicker in anyway.

All valid points. And you're right about the speed thing but at home when relaxing I don't care about something take 2 seconds instead of 3 to open. End of the day, to each their own it's just my personal preference.

Loaded tonite on PC with touch screen, works very nice, connecting tomorrow to Kinect, to see if interface can be controlled by it

Got to play with this on a tablet today and it rocks. The tablet market is really going to heat up come Win8 release in the fall.

Loading this on to my laptop this week.

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Originally posted by GGM Not trying to say they're absolutely useless for innovation, they wouldn't be alive if that was the case. I'm just saying for a company their size they don't contribute to evolution nearly as much as competitors.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The MS spends $8 billion a year on R&D (#1 in the world, IBM is #2 at $3 billion). If you knew the things MS Research was working on you might be able to make a credible comment.

Check out the video here for things MSR is working on - the future:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/show...07-3dbf689fe11a

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Originally posted by Prometheus Xex If it's geared to better accommodate a touch device, it would be great if it was able to run om my iPad.

i wouldnt want to ruin any of my ipads with a microsoft o/s.

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Originally posted by chinamon i wouldnt want to ruin any of my ipads with a microsoft o/s.

You're part of the Apple sheep community. I wouldn't expect you to do otherwise.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker You have no idea what you are talking about. The MS spends $8 billion a year on R&D (#1 in the world, IBM is #2 at $3 billion). If you knew the things MS Research was working on you might be able to make a credible comment.

Relax bud. I'm speaking as a consumer, with a consumer level of intelligence, talking about things they've delivered at the consumer level. Never said I know all the ins and outs of the company I just prefer the business methods of their competitors. Eg look at the difference between XP and W7 from a consumer standpoint. Different yes but 8 years should produce a lot more change than that. Look what Apple or Google does in a few years, much more significant purely imo.

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Originally posted by GGM Relax bud. I'm speaking as a consumer, with a consumer level of intelligence, talking about things they've delivered at the consumer level. Never said I know all the ins and outs of the company I just prefer the business methods of their competitors. Eg look at the difference between XP and W7 from a consumer standpoint. Different yes but 8 years should produce a lot more change than that. Look what Apple or Google does in a few years, much more significant purely imo.

Read this: http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/01/d...t-have-an-xbox/

Kinect is just one example of the innovation.

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Originally posted by GGM I use XP at home and 7 at work and honestly prefer XP cause I find things a bit more simplistic in a good way. Like taking three clicks to get something done where in 7 it might take five. 7 is definitely more aesthetic and has a nice interface for everything but if it was a cost for me to upgrade from XP to 7 I wouldn't bother.

That's been the issue with most of the interface changes in a lot of OS's. They're all shifting toward the touch-screen and tablet market and not recognizing the different needs of different users. The same happened with the introduction of Unity to Ubuntu. Things that used to take 2 clicks now take 10 or a bunch of typing in the search tool. If you still use a desktop system or a laptop it's a pain in the ass.

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Originally posted by Prometheus Xex You're part of the Apple sheep community. I wouldn't expect you to do otherwise.

sheep are more intelligent than microsoft doorknobs. (sorry rj) haha

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Originally posted by Prometheus Xex ...

Looks really good for a consumer preview beta (vs. a full release second generation unit).

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Originally posted by GGM Not trying to say they're absolutely useless for innovation, they wouldn't be alive if that was the case. I'm just saying for a company their size they don't contribute to evolution nearly as much as competitors. They're much happier buying a company with an innovative breakthrough, copying a company's innovative product, or suing them and getting a chunk of $ through their insane list of patents. Just compare their product innovation in the last 10 years to that of Google or Apple...

Apple's been doing the same thing!

I was about to say the same.
For example SIRI. Everybody acts like it's Apple's when in reality, the company that invented it was bought by Apple.

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Originally posted by HappyDude72 I was about to say the same. For example SIRI. Everybody acts like it's Apple's when in reality, the company that invented it was bought by Apple.

Lets not forget the amount of lawsuits dished out by Apple in the last 12 months alone against HTC, Samsung, Motorola, etc.

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Originally posted by chinamon sheep are more intelligent than microsoft doorknobs. (sorry rj) haha

hahaha as if! Apple got where they are by creating an "idiot-proof" system.

used Win8 Consumer Preview for about 20 minutes after prepping so much to install it on one of my partitions....was disappointed. IMO unless you have a touch screen, it's really annoying to use.

Plan on getting a touch screen laptop over the next year anyway so I should be ready for the official release

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Originally posted by LKD used Win8 Consumer Preview for about 20 minutes after prepping so much to install it on one of my partitions....was disappointed. IMO unless you have a touch screen, it's really annoying to use. Plan on getting a touch screen laptop over the next year anyway so I should be ready for the official release

Couldn't a multitouch trackpad help accomplish the same thing for those not wanting to dish out for a touch screen?

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Originally posted by Orko Couldn't a multitouch trackpad help accomplish the same thing for those not wanting to dish out for a touch screen?

I was just thinking about we ppl whom have a multi-monitor setup (in my case 3). A touchscreen OS may not be all that beneficial.

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Originally posted by Orko Couldn't a multitouch trackpad help accomplish the same thing for those not wanting to dish out for a touch screen?

try it out and tell me how well that works out.

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