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Posted by meriter on Mar-09-2012 00:10:

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Mar-09-2012 04:33:
You can't embed it, but there is a fucking awesome video on Youtube of Halcyon & On & On put over the Beyond The Infinite section of 2001:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lw3tXuIE4
It doesn't synch perfectly (but then, I'm completely confident that the Beatles don't synch perfectly either, and the potheads just ignore the parts that don't quite fit) and it's a completely different tone to the frankly brilliant and deeply unsettling Ligeti score, which is another reason why it's fucking stupid to put pop music over Kubrick's films - he used music to create incredible effects, and wiping that out with the Beatles only diminishes the artistry of his work. But still, recalibrating Beyond The Infinite to complement Orbital's blissed out drug sopoforia creates something different and beautiful in its own right.
Posted by Vector A on Mar-09-2012 14:43:
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Originally posted by meriter
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Posted by Vector A on Mar-09-2012 14:52:
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You can't embed it, but there is a fucking awesome video on Youtube of Halcyon & On & On put over the Beyond The Infinite section of 2001:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lw3tXuIE4
It doesn't synch perfectly (but then, I'm completely confident that the Beatles don't synch perfectly either, and the potheads just ignore the parts that don't quite fit) and it's a completely different tone to the frankly brilliant and deeply unsettling Ligeti score, which is another reason why it's fucking stupid to put pop music over Kubrick's films - he used music to create incredible effects, and wiping that out with the Beatles only diminishes the artistry of his work. But still, recalibrating Beyond The Infinite to complement Orbital's blissed out drug sopoforia creates something different and beautiful in its own right. |
Yeah, that vid is great.
Like this one, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WY1qn-k9qE
Also the Ligeti is not a proper "score" (it was not written for the film). Kind of pedantic, but hey it's fucking 2001.
Posted by itsamemario on Mar-09-2012 14:53:
Beatles were mostly shit, in addition to being the start of everything that's wrong with the music "industry" today.
Posted by Vector A on Mar-09-2012 15:05:
Just read this on the Wiki for 2001:
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| Ligeti admired Kubrick's film, but in addition to being irritated by Kubrick's failure to obtain permission directly from him, he was not entirely pleased that his music occurred in a film soundtrack shared by composers Johann and Richard Strauss. |
Not sure if that's because he disliked Germans (most of his family was killed by the Nazis) or because he disliked the Strausses in particular.
Posted by Scratchula on Mar-09-2012 22:56:
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Originally posted by dj_alfi
Beatles were mostly shit, in addition to being the start of everything that's wrong with the music "industry" today. |
I'm afraid that the majority of the world will disagree with you.
Posted by SYSTEM-J on Mar-09-2012 23:19:
There's a fantastic one for the Bedrock remix of Cowgirl, set to footage from BBC nature documentary Deep Blue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moLGGqwpoIc
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Originally posted by Scratchula
I'm afraid that the majority of the world will disagree with you. |
Yes, but as you've already established, most people in the world are lead around like cattle with too much money to spend.
Posted by srussell0018 on Mar-09-2012 23:21:
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Yes, but as you've already established, most people in the world are lead around like cattle with too much money to spend. |
Are you saying you agree that The Beatles were mostly shit, or just pointing out the glaring argument ad populum fallacy?
Posted by Meat187 on Mar-09-2012 23:26:
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Originally posted by Scratchula
I'm afraid that the majority of the world will disagree with you. |
Nevertheless, he's right.
Posted by srussell0018 on Mar-09-2012 23:27:
He's 50% right.
Posted by SYSTEM-J on Mar-10-2012 00:06:
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Originally posted by srussell0018
Are you saying you agree that The Beatles were mostly shit, or just pointing out the glaring argument ad populum fallacy? |
Not just the glaring fallacy, but also the glaring inconsistencies. Appeal to popularity when it helps your argument, decry the masses when it doesn't.
Posted by itsamemario on Mar-10-2012 00:22:
I wish there were more black people on the news.
Posted by Scratchula on Mar-10-2012 00:24:
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Not just the glaring fallacy, but also the glaring inconsistencies. Appeal to popularity when it helps your argument, decry the masses when it doesn't. |
I wasn't appealing to popularity, just making a point. That poster made an uncited incendiary statement that had little relevance to the topic.
Posted by ChrisWChandler on Mar-10-2012 00:30:
I find that one particular CD matches up perfectly to most any movie you could imagine

Posted by itsamemario on Mar-10-2012 00:38:
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Originally posted by Scratchula
I wasn't appealing to popularity, just making a point. That poster made an uncited incendiary statement that had little relevance to the topic. |
First of all, you're bat shit insane. Secondly, The Beatles were an English rock band formed in Liverpool in 1960, and one of the most commercially successful and critically acclaimed acts in the history of popular music. The group's best-known lineup consisted of John Lennon (rhythm guitar, vocals), Paul McCartney (bass guitar, vocals), George Harrison (lead guitar, vocals) and Ringo Starr (drums, vocals). Rooted in skiffle and 1950s rock and roll, the group later worked in many genres ranging from pop ballads to psychedelic rock, often incorporating classical and other elements in innovative ways. Their enormous popularity first emerged as "Beatlemania"; as their songwriting grew in sophistication by the late 1960s, they came to be perceived by many fans and cultural observers as an embodiment of the ideals shared by the era's sociocultural revolutions.
Initially a five-piece lineup of Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, Stuart Sutcliffe (bass) and Pete Best (drums), they built their reputation playing clubs in Liverpool and Hamburg over a three-year period from 1960. Sutcliffe left the group in 1961, and Best was replaced by Starr the following year. Moulded into a professional act by manager Brian Epstein, their musical potential was enhanced by the creativity of producer George Martin. They gained popularity in the United Kingdom after their first single, "Love Me Do", became a modest hit in late 1962, and they acquired the nickname the "Fab Four" as Beatlemania grew in Britain over the following year. By early 1964 they had become international stars, leading the "British Invasion" of the United States pop market. The band toured extensively around the world until August 1966, when they performed their final commercial concert. From 1966 they produced what many critics consider to be some of their finest material, including the innovative and widely influential albums Revolver, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, The Beatles and Abbey Road. After their break-up in 1970, the ex-Beatles each found success in individual musical careers. Lennon was murdered in 1980, and Harrison died of cancer in 2001. McCartney and Starr remain active.
The Beatles are the best-selling band in history, with estimated sales of over one billion units. They have had more number-one albums on the UK charts and have held the top spot longer than any other musical act. According to the RIAA, they have sold more albums in the US than any other artist, and in 2008 they topped Billboard magazine's list of the all-time most successful Hot 100 artists. As of 2012, they hold the record for most number one hits on the Hot 100 chart with 20. They have received 7 Grammy Awards from the American National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences and 15 Ivor Novello Awards from the British Academy of Songwriters, Composers and Authors. They were collectively included in Time magazine's compilation of the 20th century's 100 most influential people.
If you still can't see how my post was relevant to the topic then there's something wrong with your brain.
Posted by Scratchula on Mar-10-2012 01:03:
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Originally posted by dj_alfi
If you still can't see how my post was relevant to the topic then there's something wrong with your brain. |
The topic is about the synchronization of music (in this case The Beatles) to films. I didn't start a thread titled "What do you think of the Beatles?". That means, I did not ask for your opinion on the Beatles. Please note that I said "little relevance".
Posted by itsamemario on Mar-10-2012 02:03:
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Originally posted by Scratchula
The topic is about the synchronization of music (in this case The Beatles) to films. I didn't start a thread titled "What do you think of the Beatles?". That means, I did not ask for your opinion on the Beatles. Please note that I said "little relevance". |
<------- THE POINT
<------- YOUR HEAD
Get it now?
Posted by srussell0018 on Mar-10-2012 02:09:
Posted by itsamemario on Mar-10-2012 02:12:
Nice try russell. You're trolling's not gonna work here (either).
Posted by srussell0018 on Mar-10-2012 02:14:
No you are.
Posted by itsamemario on Mar-10-2012 02:15:
Good one 
Posted by srussell0018 on Mar-10-2012 02:27:

Posted by Scratchula on Mar-10-2012 19:52:
It looks like they synchronized Rosemary's Baby with The Wizard of Oz. This is probably one reason The Beatles decided to use Rosemary's Baby as a synchronization film for their albums, at least as early on as The White Album. The Beatles synchronized albums with The Wizard of Oz all through their career (Please Please Me, Beatles For Sale, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and Abbey Road confirmed so far). Of course Rosemary's Baby was synchronized with The Beatles entire record album catalog, probably because The Beatles used The Wizard of Oz for their albums. I'd be almost willing to bet that the three Wizard of Oz start points the Beatles used were used in creating Rosemary's Baby.
Pink Floyd also used both movies for The Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall, and indications that the movies were synchronized stem from The Dark Side of the Moon synchronization, where the song entitled Money begins as a dream begins in both movies, dreams which begin immediately after injurious encounters with windows.
The Cure also used both movies, plus Excalibur, for their album entitled Pornography, which leads me to believe that The Beatles and Pink Floyd may have used at least one other movie as synchronization material for the creation of their record albums.
Posted by itsamemario on Mar-10-2012 20:15:
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Originally posted by Scratchula
It looks like they synchronized Rosemary's Baby with The Wizard of Oz. This is probably one reason The Beatles decided to use Rosemary's Baby as a synchronization film for their albums, at least as early on as The White Album. The Beatles synchronized albums with The Wizard of Oz all through their career (Please Please Me, Beatles For Sale, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and Abbey Road confirmed so far). Of course Rosemary's Baby was synchronized with The Beatles entire record album catalog, probably because The Beatles used The Wizard of Oz for their albums. I'd be almost willing to bet that the three Wizard of Oz start points the Beatles used were used in creating Rosemary's Baby.
Pink Floyd also used both movies for The Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall, and indications that the movies were synchronized stem from The Dark Side of the Moon synchronization, where the song entitled Money begins as a dream begins in both movies, dreams which begin immediately after injurious encounters with windows.
The Cure also used both movies, plus Excalibur, for their album entitled Pornography, which leads me to believe that The Beatles and Pink Floyd may have used at least one other movie as synchronization material for the creation of their record albums. |
You are wrong on all points! And the reason why is that The Beatles' releases in the United States were hindered for over a year by EMI's American subsidiary, Capitol Records, who initially declined to issue Beatles material, including their first three singles. Concurrent negotiations with the independent US labels Vee Jay and Swan led to the eventual release of the singles, but legal issues with royalties and publishing rights proved an obstacle to the successful marketing of the group in the US. Capitol began to issue the material in December 1963, exercising complete control over format, they compiled distinct US albums from the band's recordings and issued songs of their choosing as singles. American chart success began after Epstein arranged for a $40,000 US marketing campaign and secured the support of disk jockey Carrol James, who first played the band's records in mid-December 1963, initiating their music's spread across US radio. This caused an increase in demand, leading Capitol to rush-release "I Want to Hold Your Hand" later that month. Released 26 December 1963, "I Want to Hold Your Hand" sold a million copies in the US by 10 January 1964, and by 16 January the single was a number one hit in the States, with the band's previously scheduled debut there just weeks away. The Beatles arrive at John F. Kennedy International Airport, 7 February 1964. The Beatles left the United Kingdom on 7 February 1964, with an estimated four thousand fans gathered at Heathrow, waving and screaming as the aircraft took off. At New York's John F. Kennedy Airport they were greeted by another uproarious crowd estimated at three thousand people. They gave their first live US television performance two days later on The Ed Sullivan Show, watched by approximately 73 million viewers in over 23 million households,or 34 percent of the American population, and according to the Nielsen rating service, it was "the largest audience that had ever been recorded for an American television program." The next morning critical consensus in the US was generally against the group, but a day later their first US concert saw Beatlemania erupt at Washington Coliseum. Back in New York the following day, they met with another strong reception during their two shows at Carnegie Hall.[82] The band then flew to Florida and appeared on the weekly Ed Sullivan Show a second time, before another 70 million viewers, before returning to the UK on 22 February.
As you can see, there is no way they could have done what you are claiming, I challenge you to find CREDIBLE SOURCES (fuck even A SOURCE will help) to back up your ludicrous statements. And saying you've "read alot" means fucking shit.
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