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Originally posted by caddyshack ^^ thats all there is to say, if a person can make a venue money they will get paid accordingly. Just like superstar football teams. I'm more concerned about the team owners share personally.

All I'm saying is that there's too much money in it. As I said before a good fee shouldn't have to equate to �250,000 per appearance.

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Originally posted by Guest Do you under economics in any way shape or form?

Do you mean "underSTAND"? Maybe I should stick to writing and you should stick to economics

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Originally posted by Alero50 Some people like to think out loud I guess? I mean your questions are rhetorical, and the answers to them are obvious. This industry works in a similar way to other known industries, i.e. Sports, Social Media, Entertainment, so why do you think the clubbing Industry is any different? And why, really, Tiesto for example, shouldn't be paid the amount of money he's being paid? Be a little more down to earth.

You've hit the nail on the head. Yes I was thinking aloud. And if you read until the end you'll see that I've admitted to being idealistic.

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Originally posted by elliehanagan Maybe I should stick to writing

please dont!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Actually, footballers' wages are massively inflated by a very small number of mega-rich or profitable [football] clubs, and a large percentage of top flight clubs across Europe are actually in debt. A few clubs with rich owners or massive brands and revenues set the standard for wages, and the other clubs have to match these wages if they want to attract players. So really, the "economic value" of footballers is somewhat false. There was a parallel to this a decade or more ago, when DJs began commanding such high fees that [night] clubs risked going out of business if their events didn't sell out. You could say this is a dance music equivalent of "doing a Leeds United" and gambling expenditure against predicted results, with disastrous consequences. A few extremely successful promoters set the bar high, and smaller nights couldn't compete financially. This is one of the reasons why a lot of clubnights went under around 2002, and the club scene has never quite recovered in the UK. As far as I know, the situation has balanced itself a lot now. While the biggest DJs like Tiesto and Guetta earn truly massive amounts, I would guess that the average fee for a more mid-table DJ has probably gone down. So yeah... your article is several years out of date, it doesn't make nearly enough out of the interesting parallels between football and dance music, and is basically devoid of content altogether. Harsh, but if you're going to join a forum entirely to promote your own website, you should expect criticism if your content isn't up to par.

Harsh indeed. I admit I don't know nearly as much as you about football and economics. Maybe you'd like to read some of the other articles on my blog

does anyone know the actual booking fee for the likes of tiesto, guetta, skrillex, deadmau5, SHM, etc. though?

Surely it must vary on the size of the event and circumstances...for example deadmau5 has a massive production crew that he brings with him to most shows that must rack up quite a hefty bill, and if he sells out the club/festival then he must be entitled to quite a bit of cash if the event sells out basically because he is on....is that fair to say?

the names pull in the crowd at the end of the day and if a name can pull in 10,000+ people then why shouldn't they be paid X amount of cash? That's just what it's got to thesedays....shit happens

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Originally posted by elliehanagan Harsh indeed. I admit I don't know nearly as much as you about football and economics. Maybe you'd like to read some of the other articles on my blog

I don't know shit about economics, but music and football are great loves of mine, and I would confidently say I know a good deal more than you about both. I had a look at your blog, but I haven't got any interest in the DJs and music you're covering, and you strike me as a hired pen writing inoffensive #trancefamily promo copy disguised as journalism. Fair play that you make money from writing about music, which I don't, and I know it's almost impossible to make a living in the music press by actually having independent views.

If you actually want to have a discussion about this, and aren't here entirely to plug your own blog, send me a PM and I'll tell you some stuff I can't talk about in public.

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Originally posted by elliehanagan Wow you people are mean! Anyone ever heard of the phrase "trancefamily"?! Columns are always about free speech and people voicing their opinions to create debate and discuss things. There's no need to be rude. And as to the "work" you're referring to - at the risk of sounding like a complete douche - I have worked in the music industry for five years now, so I do have some idea of what I'm talking about. This is purely an OPINION piece, not a dissertation.

It's funny how you invoke these notions of free-speech and then attempt to discourage dissent with an accusation that we're "being mean." What I'm gathering is that you want to drive a completely uninformed discussion with 90% conjecture, free from burdensome concepts like facts or proof or actual, critical thinking. What's worse is that you qualify your OPINION with five years in the industry while behaving in a way which is far from professional and tossing around laughable marketing jargon like "trancefamily." I don't think you really understand what the word, rude, actually means.





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Originally posted by elliehanagan Well you may disagree but I think it's important to understand and be aware of the roots of electronic music and clubbing. And I don't think there's anything wrong with referring back to them to compare them with how things are today.

Things have been like this for well, more than 15 years now?

@Jack: according to her Twitter she's a freelance writer for Mixmag and Beatport.

Yeah, I know.

Holy shit, Eddie is being rude to the trancefamily.

you would write for mixmag, you bitch.#trancefamily

I have enough experience of DJing, 'working' (�0 earned) for review sites and generally just attending club nights for a decade to say that this #trancefamily bullshit is the worst thing ever to happen to the scene. Seriously, all it does is drive a wedge between those of us who generally just keep quiet and enjoy ourselves and those of you who feel some desperate need to constantly, loudly, reassure yourselves that this choice of music is superior to anything else (it isn't).

How rude!

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Originally posted by elliehanagan Wow you people are mean! Anyone ever heard of the phrase "trancefamily"?! Columns are always about free speech and people voicing their opinions to create debate and discuss things. There's no need to be rude. And as to the "work" you're referring to - at the risk of sounding like a complete douche - I have worked in the music industry for five years now, so I do have some idea of what I'm talking about. This is purely an OPINION piece, not a dissertation.

Good God

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Originally posted by almcd does anyone know the actual booking fee for the likes of tiesto, guetta, skrillex, deadmau5, SHM, etc. though?

Yes, at least for their gigs in Tokyo. It's quite a bit...

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Originally posted by elliehanagan All I'm saying is that the gap between a well-paid DJ and a new DJ is gastronomical. Maybe it's safer for me to just stick to writing interviews and reviews...

Or stop writing altogether?

I've left gastronomical literature in the toilet that was more relevant to dance music than that blog.

She's trying to say that while Tiesto dines at Jean George's, A new comer DJ sticks to Domino's. It's legitimate.

And I'm glad someone chooses to read gastronomical literature while taking a dump. Something to ponder about. It's kind of like browsing through a shopping catalog whilst checking out at the cashiers.

I'm glad to see TA getting proper recognition on twitter.

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights I'm glad to say TA getting proper recognition on twitter.

Her 142 followers are probably all going to hate us now


Seriously though, guys, stop being mean

At least we got ourself a nice new blowup. That twitter-pic is going into the classics.

THEY WERE REALLY MEAN TO ME ABOUT MY BLOG AND THEN THEY HAD NOTHING TO SAY

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Originally posted by elliehanagan Wow you people are mean!

Go tell to your mom!

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Originally posted by Euforix This is what happens when you play with girls of the mighty #trancefamily:

Her tweets kind of shows that she might have pretty girl syndrome. In other words she is used to people agreeing with everything she says and offering up any information to her because of her looks and charm.

On the flip side though... To give her credit, anyone can write a bad blog and perhaps she is a procrastinator and trying to make an article, column, or blog for something somewhat important and doing it at the last minute so she might not be in her normal focused mode.

But to put Tranceaddict on blast on her tweeter is just "mean".

"BOOM"!

I didn't realize you could have "pretty girl syndrome" when you look so ugly.

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