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Originally posted by EddieZilker +1 You're still asking with the expectation that someone is going to provide it to you. Honestly, it's only because of your age that you haven't been strongly advised to go into business with someone you've never met, before. Your threads are a source of irritation because they are asking to resolve issues that are trivial to most producers; let alone most people with an iota of common sense. You ask stupid questions. Don't dither the issue with teen-aged rhetorical strategies meant to loophole your way out of accountability. People are giving you far too much leeway because you're young. You might only be fifteen but you are already dangerously close to being regarded as a first-rate attention-whore. And the headphones you use to make music, shouldn't be used to make music. That's the reason your mixes sound like muddy sewage.

Come on now, I think you guys take this forum far too seriously.

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Originally posted by mathieu Come on now, I think you guys take this forum far too seriously.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/s...=2#.T4nxSKuXTz8









Internet is seriose business.

get off my lawn!

Seriously though he should have to struggle with this for years and toil in obscurity just like the rest of us, the way god intended it.

Unless you are passionate about it, I would steer away from making uplifting trance (which if I am correct in recollection is what you want to make). Most of the people involved in that period of trance have moved on from it for 5 years now. I am not saying there isn't still some out there but it is dwindling quick. If it is what your heart wants to make, do it by all means. But I think many beginners (like myself 1.5 years ago) haven't heard much current edm and have a stereotype that uplifting = trance.

If you are open to making non-uplifting current trance, focus on 125-132 BPM. Songs about 5 - 7 minutes.

As for drum samples, don't look for 'trance' loops even if you are making trance. Those 140 bpm trance loops date a song immediately.

Use other genres drum samples, like electro, tech or even minimal. My guess is that the most current sounding drums, usually come from very currently dominant genres. I spent a lot of time looking for 'trance' samples, the type Arty might use, about a year ago and figured out that looking for electro or minimal samples are better. Some fit in a trance song very well. They are big, current and very stereo if you find the right one.

My guess is that because there is a much bigger market for electro right now, few making samples would waste their time on a genre like trance which is no longer that important. David Guetta is number 1 now. Ferry Corsten is almost out of the top 20. The paradigm shift has occurred. The trance days are probably over until it is cool to sample in like 15-25 years (just like it is hip to do a song with Fast Eddie of 'Acid Thunder' fame now)

Just some advice from som1 who wasted my first year making songs that sounded like they were made in 2001 and wouldn't have even good enough for that time period.

let him sell out in 5 years.

jesus , you are a pretentious twat. Paradigm shift are two words that should only ever be uttered or written in a master level course where other pseudo intellectuals can masturbate and yell meta. You are the kind of kid that just begs to get bullied. I would work on that gigantic red bulls eye and work on not being so fucking lame. Honestly, everything about you, your picture that screams i am one insult away from cutting my wrists and your pandering bullshit on here are pretty clear signs that you need to get some help. I know you mean well but god damn, stop what you are doing, and work on your ability to blend or not be a twat you would just love to slap. I don't condone bullying, but you really have to meet them half way. Prancing around like you do saying what you say is just too much.

I am not a violent or aggressive person and i would rather run that ruin my threads but even I want to slap you. Just slap you with the back of my hand until you cry a little then slap you more for crying. And thats fucked up. Own up to how you make people feel because it isn't fair for others.

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Originally posted by meriter get off my lawn! Seriously though he should have to struggle with this for years and toil in obscurity just like the rest of us, the way god intended it.

good point, ahh the golden days of relentlessly looking for perfect tranz kickdrum

@EddieZ: Ok, I take back what I said

@Trancelover03591

Completely agree with Looney4Clooney here, but I just wanted to add that you're a complete twat. Serious question, do you even enjoy composing a track?

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Originally posted by Deillon @Trancelover03591 Completely agree with Looney4Clooney here, but I just wanted to add that you're a complete twat. Serious question, do you even enjoy composing a track?

I'm not taking up for anyone, but when your eleventh post involves creating drama for someone you barely know, it's a little suspicious.

changed his picture.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I'm not taking up for anyone, but when your eleventh post involves creating drama for someone you barely know, it's a little suspicious.

How is it suspicious? I am replying to what he wrote. If his post was actually helpfull for the topic starter I would applaud him.

It's a shame that people still take value in post count instead of the posts themselves.

Make your own kicks.

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Originally posted by Deillon How is it suspicious? I am replying to what he wrote. If his post was actually helpfull for the topic starter I would applaud him.

So, where is all this helpful-post-applauding you're given to?

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Originally posted by Deillon It's a shame that people still take value in post count instead of the posts themselves.

I see the context-delete feature is working well.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I see the context-delete feature is working well.

I see the lets-derail-this-topic-as-much-as-possible is working well too. Anyways, back to kicks, i've got nothing more to add.

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Originally posted by Trancelover03591 Unless you are passionate about it, I would steer away from making uplifting trance (which if I am correct in recollection is what you want to make). Most of the people involved in that period of trance have moved on from it for 5 years now. I am not saying there isn't still some out there but it is dwindling quick. If it is what your heart wants to make, do it by all means. But I think many beginners (like myself 1.5 years ago) haven't heard much current edm and have a stereotype that uplifting = trance. If you are open to making non-uplifting current trance, focus on 125-132 BPM. Songs about 5 - 7 minutes. As for drum samples, don't look for 'trance' loops even if you are making trance. Those 140 bpm trance loops date a song immediately. Use other genres drum samples, like electro, tech or even minimal. My guess is that the most current sounding drums, usually come from very currently dominant genres. I spent a lot of time looking for 'trance' samples, the type Arty might use, about a year ago and figured out that looking for electro or minimal samples are better. Some fit in a trance song very well. They are big, current and very stereo if you find the right one. My guess is that because there is a much bigger market for electro right now, few making samples would waste their time on a genre like trance which is no longer that important. David Guetta is number 1 now. Ferry Corsten is almost out of the top 20. The paradigm shift has occurred. The trance days are probably over until it is cool to sample in like 15-25 years (just like it is hip to do a song with Fast Eddie of 'Acid Thunder' fame now) Just some advice from som1 who wasted my first year making songs that sounded like they were made in 2001 and wouldn't have even good enough for that time period.

Firstly, up lifting trance is LITERALLY a part of me, I live and breathe the stuff. So there is no way that I will ever stop making it.

Secondly, I dont think that Uplifting trance is gaading out that much. It's certainly not as big as it was in the early 2000's but its still there, and there's still an audience.

And lastly, NEVER EVER MENTION DAVID GUETTA AGAIN ON THIS FORUM UNLESS URE HATING ON HIM!!! I live in Australia and all that people here listen to is this mainstream, bullshit, effortless music made by "artists" like david guetta. It pisses me off they think its good and yet they've never even heard of artists like AVB, Above and Beyond, etc.

Anyway, sorry about that, Im just a passionate David Guetta hater and I had to get that out. :P

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Originally posted by EddieZilker So, where is all this helpful-post-applauding you're given to? I see the context-delete feature is working well.

If this was a prison yard and you didn't throw down during the race war, well it pains me to say this but i would have to maintain my reputation as a badass and penetrate you. I think you know what i'm saying.

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Originally posted by MIKE333ACE Firstly, up lifting trance is LITERALLY a part of me, I live and breathe the stuff. So there is no way that I will ever stop making it. Secondly, I dont think that Uplifting trance is gaading out that much. It's certainly not as big as it was in the early 2000's but its still there, and there's still an audience. And lastly, NEVER EVER MENTION DAVID GUETTA AGAIN ON THIS FORUM UNLESS URE HATING ON HIM!!! I live in Australia and all that people here listen to is this mainstream, bullshit, effortless music made by "artists" like david guetta. It pisses me off they think its good and yet they've never even heard of artists like AVB, Above and Beyond, etc. Anyway, sorry about that, Im just a passionate David Guetta hater and I had to get that out. :P

I did say if you were passionate go for it.

But don't decide you don't like an artist and shut yourself off completely. I decided I didn't like SHM and then heard a set by a DJ and only liked ONE track. When I looked at the tracklist it turned out to be 'Heart is King' by Axwell. Also, Richard Butler recently posted David Guetta - Tytanium which I liked as well.

Above and Beyond really does it for me too. I don't like most vocal trance but I love A&B. They are probably my favorite major trance artist other than classic Paul Oakenfold (or Sasha & Digweed if some of their classic stuff is considered trance).

I have Vengeance 3 kicks and pretty much don't use them as they tend to all sound too woody and plastic, and things like the ssl eq's are unable to PROPERLY remedy this despite hundreds of hours of trying to scoop out the offending freqs, which tells me you need the right tones to start with.

Thanks Cryo - I'm going to check out those free club samples from WA. I already use thier minimal kick packs, but thus far nothing Earth shattering in them.

As yet I still have not found any kick samples (and no amount of layering or tweaking helps) to compare with certain kicks used by people like Michael Woods. Often his kicks take up very little room yet sound completely isolated and pristine in the mix with masses of thunk and impact. He and others I'm pretty sure make thier own kicks and use some tasty outboard to process them.

Awaits usual lame claim it must be down to me being a bad tweaker.

It isn't all down to tweaking and ability. If if were then we might as well say cooking is also not dependant upon having great ingredients, that we can use standard ingriedients and create whateever we wish as long as we know how to operate the oven.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Wave Alchemy

im currently making one which should hopefully be ready for the summer

will be 100 top quality kicks in there for sure as much like yourself there was never anything decent really in the packs i used to get

so i made my own

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Originally posted by MIKE333ACE Firstly, up lifting trance is LITERALLY a part of me, I live and breathe the stuff. So there is no way that I will ever stop making it. Secondly, I dont think that Uplifting trance is gaading out that much. It's certainly not as big as it was in the early 2000's but its still there, and there's still an audience. And lastly, NEVER EVER MENTION DAVID GUETTA AGAIN ON THIS FORUM UNLESS URE HATING ON HIM!!! I live in Australia and all that people here listen to is this mainstream, bullshit, effortless music made by "artists" like david guetta. It pisses me off they think its good and yet they've never even heard of artists like AVB, Above and Beyond, etc. Anyway, sorry about that, Im just a passionate David Guetta hater and I had to get that out. :P

you can hate on Guetta but you cant hate on the people who compose his tracks, writing a catchy song isn't exactly the easiest thing to do, im pretty sure I can go through everyones soundcloud and not remember a track yet I remembered his track titanium after one listen, and the one with nicki minaj also

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Make your own kicks.

completely inadvisable for someone his skill level.

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Originally posted by Evolve140 completely inadvisable for someone his skill level.

yes he should take the easiest route possible in order to learn the least

use attacks you like from wherever

make your own tails

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney jesus , you are a pretentious twat. Paradigm shift are two words that should only ever be uttered or written in a master level course where other pseudo intellectuals can masturbate and yell meta. You are the kind of kid that just begs to get bullied. I would work on that gigantic red bulls eye and work on not being so fucking lame. Honestly, everything about you, your picture that screams i am one insult away from cutting my wrists and your pandering bullshit on here are pretty clear signs that you need to get some help. I know you mean well but god damn, stop what you are doing, and work on your ability to blend or not be a twat you would just love to slap. I don't condone bullying, but you really have to meet them half way. Prancing around like you do saying what you say is just too much. I am not a violent or aggressive person and i would rather run that ruin my threads but even I want to slap you. Just slap you with the back of my hand until you cry a little then slap you more for crying. And thats fucked up. Own up to how you make people feel because it isn't fair for others.

This post alone marks you out as about the least useful person on the planet. For all you know this guy might have experienced bullying, and posts like this can and do have a real impact in the real world.

When will you ever grow up? Are you a tough guy in the flesh I wonder?

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