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^ LOL never liked that album from Darude loved his first two albums even though they were commercial.

eh, Rush is more "underground" imo.
edit: but yeah, good stuff.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi fucking t.nuers.

What's with the grumpy old man attitudes? Instead of being a dick, help educate. If trance music is about one thing, I would think it would be about love for life and music. I'm all ears.

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Originally posted by Titanium Nice one thing is these guys complain about the snobbery in the scene I think a little snobbery is quite healthy. I don't know why but Darude also thinks that genre labelling is not important this is becoming really stupid all of the commercial established artists are saying that everything should be called EDM or anything with electro or loud synths should be labeled "Trance 2.0" when it has nothing to do with the genre. It would be such a mess if everything was labelled as EDM.

True, I DON'T think ANAL genre labeling is important, because it mostly only seems to create friction between dimwits and nitpickers who play "my daddy is stronger than your daddy". Seems to create hate, which is stupid (hate over music, WHAT?)... Why hate another genre just if YOU don't like it? Flip the freaking channel! See another DJ! Don't like dubstep, but love trance? Big deal. Your mommy probably liked the 'Stones and your daddy liked the Beatles (Or The Prodigy & Right Said Fred), or the other way around, and still you're here.

You can have a great DJ play a minimal-y techy piece of something + a proggy house thing + an electro-y dirtpile + "nu-trance" and it all fits nicely and builds and moves all thru the set, so who cares, it's just amazing music that makes you nod, dance, smile, sweat, feel, experience.

When two or more people who know what they're talking about (but not wise-assey and all-knowing), sure, it's nice when you can describe things easier and shorter and the other people know what you're talking about, but do you lot not realize that it's like 1% of people, if that, outside of TA who are talking about, or have even heard, OR CARE about specific EDM genres out there "in the real world"? It's all "dance music" or "that techno" and weirdly so the Ti�stos, Guettas, Armins etc big names are doing well and couldn't care less, and even the smaller names are/would be just happy to be played by someone somewhere, regardless of the label put on their noise.

To sum up (and totally IMHO, so trash me, I don't care): if you use your sub-sub-sub-side-ug-genre name in a sentence to show off your knowledge of your chosen art/genre to someone and then ridicule or challenge them or their genre of liking, because you think yours is somehow better, that's just plain dumb.

If you exchange civil words with whoever is on the same level, or can take your genreisms, talk away and have fun with it, no harm done to anybody, probably on the contrary, and all's good in the world.

I listen to music every day. I try to listen to all kinds of music with an open mind and to learn from everything, even from the stuff that I just can't make myself like. There's usually still production tricks and other things you can pick up and learn from and that to me is more than enough to not hate on something I don't like or understand.

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Originally posted by tranceOzone What's with the grumpy old man attitudes? Instead of being a dick, help educate. If trance music is about one thing, I would think it would be about love for life and music. I'm all ears.

+1000

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Originally posted by tranceOzone What's with the grumpy old man attitudes? Instead of being a dick, help educate. If trance music is about one thing, I would think it would be about love for life and music. I'm all ears.

+100000000000000000000^* where * > *

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Originally posted by darudevil +1000

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Originally posted by darudevil

genre-labeling isn't evil... even at a very basic level (trance, house, drum n bass, etc), it's necessary.
otherwise it'd be a huge mess.

The problem is a lot of people don't see 'Trance' as 'cool'... how many tracks are out there with mainly 'trancey' melodies that get labelled as House? It's pathetic.

If you think Trance is a dirty word you need to wash your dictionary.

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Originally posted by Swamper The problem is a lot of people don't see 'Trance' as 'cool'... how many tracks are out there with mainly 'trancey' melodies that get labelled as House? It's pathetic. If you think Trance is a dirty word you need to wash your dictionary.

good point. youtube channelers mis-label trance all.. the... time. trance tends to be seen as a little too 'airy' or 'odd'.

maybe thats what trance 2.0 is all about... the movement to make the name (the name and not the sound) trance cool.

Darude just unleashed the sandstorm.

I'll get my hat.

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Originally posted by tranceOzone good point. youtube channelers mis-label trance all.. the... time. trance tends to be seen as a little too 'airy' or 'odd'. maybe thats what trance 2.0 is all about... the movement to make the name (the name and not the sound) trance cool.

So which producer and djs do you have in mind that should promote this trance 2.0 bullshit? Judging from the DJs we have today that play trance music I would say that anyone would feel embarassed. Trance is at it's lowest ever.

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Originally posted by fredjan genre-labeling isn't evil... even at a very basic level (trance, house, drum n bass, etc), it's necessary. otherwise it'd be a huge mess.

I agree, but it gets to petty nitpicking so freaking quick that it's not even funny, I personally can't be bothered. People holding on to '99 "standards" of trance mocking someone who was 7 years old then and now loves trance of 2012. WTF? That's where even the simplest categorizing starts going way wrong. It's good to know d'n'b and trance are different, even house and trance, but then the fight begins again... Can you have 128 bpm trance with house-y beats? Can House have fluffy synths? Shuffle on house, how about trance? When is it prog? Should I as a music-maker be limited when making music ("Oh nooh, kinda like this 128 groove I'm making, but holy crap I wanna put melodic synths on it, but can't, cause then I don't know what to call it.") Whatever, you know, doesn't matter, if you ask me.

Settle down dude, dont mind the elitists(they will always be there). Relatively, there will always be fan-boys of something. In-depth genre labeling and cataloging is important(think of a library). If someone is looking for a specific sound(that they love), it aides them greatly. When im looking for house, I dont want to see aviicii pop up, you know? Same with with say, progressive house, im not looking for clubby pop progressive house, the commercial stuff rises to the top faster, when I dont want that, yet its clumped together.

There needs to be more in-depth genre tagging(not trance 2.0 thats just retarded), I dont buy this generalization, especially if you're making music. Why is that even on your mind, if anything you could figure it out after you've finished(if you really want to). This isn't about being pigeon-holed into a specific genre at all. We all know variety is the spice of life. With more and more saturation, its greater to have a way to weave through it better. This also helps the more relatively alternative underground threads. Im all for it; even if it may cause divide by the subjectively irrational.

I agree with Darude here.
Also, why have so many genres like rock, country, metal?
It's all guitar music in the end.

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Originally posted by darudevil True, I DON'T think ANAL genre labeling is important, because it mostly only seems to create friction between dimwits and nitpickers who play "my daddy is stronger than your daddy". Seems to create hate, which is stupid (hate over music, WHAT?)... Why hate another genre just if YOU don't like it? Flip the freaking channel! See another DJ! Don't like dubstep, but love trance? Big deal. Your mommy probably liked the 'Stones and your daddy liked the Beatles (Or The Prodigy & Right Said Fred), or the other way around, and still you're here. You can have a great DJ play a minimal-y techy piece of something + a proggy house thing + an electro-y dirtpile + "nu-trance" and it all fits nicely and builds and moves all thru the set, so who cares, it's just amazing music that makes you nod, dance, smile, sweat, feel, experience. When two or more people who know what they're talking about (but not wise-assey and all-knowing), sure, it's nice when you can describe things easier and shorter and the other people know what you're talking about, but do you lot not realize that it's like 1% of people, if that, outside of TA who are talking about, or have even heard, OR CARE about specific EDM genres out there "in the real world"? It's all "dance music" or "that techno" and weirdly so the Ti�stos, Guettas, Armins etc big names are doing well and couldn't care less, and even the smaller names are/would be just happy to be played by someone somewhere, regardless of the label put on their noise. To sum up (and totally IMHO, so trash me, I don't care): if you use your sub-sub-sub-side-ug-genre name in a sentence to show off your knowledge of your chosen art/genre to someone and then ridicule or challenge them or their genre of liking, because you think yours is somehow better, that's just plain dumb. If you exchange civil words with whoever is on the same level, or can take your genreisms, talk away and have fun with it, no harm done to anybody, probably on the contrary, and all's good in the world. I listen to music every day. I try to listen to all kinds of music with an open mind and to learn from everything, even from the stuff that I just can't make myself like. There's usually still production tricks and other things you can pick up and learn from and that to me is more than enough to not hate on something I don't like or understand.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I can understand your viewpoint about not trying to sub-label every god damn genre like a lot of new fans have done with say either its pop trance, commercial trance, bosh trance, emotional trance, Victory trance etc etc. But I think people need education on what is trance what it isn't not saying there is a specific style which defines but the its always been more of a feeling genre for me. Most of the trance 2.0 lack any hypnotic element and atmospheric depth which a lot of the pre 99 trance used to have. For me personally its never been about bpms have a look at airwave perfect example of creating proper trance at a low bpm and you can hear his signature sounds.

THe houssey low bpm stuff you speak this is how its done properly imo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRzoGwt1bU0

I wouldn't want one dominant sort of sound to dominate the scene In fact I actually want more variety. However,it gets very annoying when everyone tries to jump on the ear bleeding bandwagon.

When you start to hear horrible pop tracks like this (co-produced by Armin btw) You start to question how is shit like this even trance? This goes against everything of how the genre started and what it stood for during the early 90's? What most producers are trying to do with is imitating other genres which unfortunately gets tagged as trance.

I have nothing against genres combining but most of the established guys do it so badly its not funny. I have nothing against you or your motives but I just feel most of the established producers and upcoming producers from the past and present are using horrible sound banks and the horrible mastering and overcompression is what also discourages me to listen to majority of the tracks being released these days.

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Originally posted by Swamper If you think Trance is a dirty word you need to wash your dictionary.

It is a dirty word, because it's associated with more bad music than good these days.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It is a dirty word, because it's associated with more bad music than good these days.

Not to mention that most Trance has been a massive PLURfest for the past 15 years. I mean there was a brief time in the late 90s when PLUR was cool but that's long over with.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It is a dirty word, because it's associated with more bad music than good these days.

Well I guess that has to change then doesn't it? Sometimes people have to discover the shit for themselves before they find the gems.

I look at my Top 20 list from 2000 and I laugh...I still like 75% of the tracks on there but some have aged horribly lol

Picked this up a few days ago:

http://www.discogs.com/Effective-Fo.../release/173725

Great trance.

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Originally posted by darudevil Can you have 128 bpm trance with house-y beats?

Yes.

As for house with fluffy synths... it can. just label it as house, not trance.

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Originally posted by Swamper ... how many tracks are out there with mainly 'trancey' melodies that get labelled as House? It's pathetic.

^

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Originally posted by tranceOzone maybe thats what trance 2.0 is all about... the movement to make the name (the name and not the sound) trance cool.

There is no such thing as "trance 2.0"

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Trance is at it's lowest ever.

You're a "Digital Blonde Addict" and then say that?
edit: this is of course assuming that the title is custom

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Originally posted by Swamper Well I guess that has to change then doesn't it? Sometimes people have to discover the shit for themselves before they find the gems.

*warning: loud*


That's when I started to listen to Trance lol

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Originally posted by fredjan

Thats very close to jump style trance

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Thats very close to jump style trance

oh god lol

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Originally posted by fredjan oh god lol

lol

They need to change the name of the genre. The shit music they label as trance hasnt put anyone in a "trance" since before the dutch got a hold of the germans last great gift to mankind.

Trance is a bad term not because people dont make good trance music, but because the bad trance is just so downright awful and cheesy it makes anyone with any semblance of taste cringe and worry about being associated with the entire genre.

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