Fairly certain I've seen you use discogs to cite the genre of a track many times.
Posted by Mattsanity. on Oct-10-2012 19:22:
All I know is that Benny Benassi - Satisfaction (2002) turned heads when it came to the dirty style of electro house.
Posted by Guest on Oct-10-2012 20:04:
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Originally posted by srussell0018
Fairly certain I've seen you use discogs to cite the genre of a track many times.
Proof or it didnt happen.
Posted by srussell0018 on Oct-10-2012 21:34:
That is flawed logic.
Posted by Guest on Oct-10-2012 21:49:
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Originally posted by srussell0018
That is flawed logic.
Welcome to the internet Posted by Mr Game+Watch on Oct-11-2012 13:53:
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Originally posted by frupertery
I'm pretty sure this is the first one (1999):
First time I heard "Flat Beat" was in France in '99 right when that song first started blowing up... back then I always associated it more with speed garage (and it got caned a lot by a bunch of garage DJs IIRC).
The first song with those big farty basslines that blew up big was of course Satisfaction. That got MASSIVE commercial airplay here in NY. Though I almost wanna argue that Who Da Funk - Shiny Disco Balls was one of the first electrohouse songs (though still borrowed a lot from the filtered disco-house that was popular around that time).
Disc 2 of "This is Everybody" by Sander Kleinenberg was probably the first time I recall of a big DJ putting on electrohouse on one of his mixcomps.
Posted by InnerReflection on Oct-11-2012 15:35:
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Originally posted by Guest
In all fairness any registered user can modify any attribute of a discogs release, including genre/style. Its all subjective so citing discogs doesnt really help to argue your case either way.
Yes but I've found the genres listed on discogs to be extremely accurate for things I've looked up. Way more so than wikipedia
and impressively even so for things that are a complicated combination of 4 different sounds.
Yes it's not the end all of musical genres, however I definitely agree with it in this case (and having it be that genre and having been that way for a while certainly adds weight to that side of the debate).
So yes I know it's rebel to critisize authorities on whatever subject but bugger off I'm aware of it's limitations.
Posted by SYSTEM-J on Oct-11-2012 16:54:
Are you capable of recognising that what Discogs categorises something as in 2012 is not necessarily the same as what people categorised that thing as eight years ago?
Posted by Zharen on Oct-11-2012 21:12:
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Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch
Disc 2 of "This is Everybody" by Sander Kleinenberg was probably the first time I recall of a big DJ putting on electrohouse on one of his mixcomps.
Posted by itsamemario on Oct-12-2012 00:56:
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Originally posted by frupertery
I'm pretty sure this is the first one (1999):
That's so funny. I was thinking of posting it, so I went to youtube and put it on so I could have some readin music, then after about 20 secs of music your post came up
But honestly it's more proto-fidget house than electro house. While Mr Oizo have been a big drive force in bringing the big noisy saw electro sound that we now call Electro House, the earliest electro house I remember listening to had round square basses and a much more minimal percussion, giving it a much tidier sound image.
Basically it was a lot of tech housey stuff being made on 808's and 909's tuned to an early electro sound, only with a much bigger and more prominent kick drum, and old school analogue synths (or emulations thereof).
Posted by itsamemario on Oct-12-2012 01:08:
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Are you capable of recognising that what Discogs categorises something as in 2012 is not necessarily the same as what people categorised that thing as eight years ago?
Discogs has been around since 2000. I'm pretty sure they haven't waited until now to catalogue it. Posted by InnerReflection on Oct-12-2012 04:05:
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Are you capable of recognising that what Discogs categorises something as in 2012 is not necessarily the same as what people categorised that thing as eight years ago?
Yes, I was thinking about that but didn't post anything about it.
Can anyone find any reviews of the album from back then that mentions it's genres? I did some googling the other day but only found one that didn't mention the genre.
Posted by SYSTEM-J on Oct-12-2012 08:16:
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Originally posted by itsamemario
Discogs has been around since 2000. I'm pretty sure they haven't waited until now to catalogue it.
Setting aside the already-stated point that information on Discogs can be changed by users so the categorisation could easily have changed down the years, how about this? All the singles from the album are categorised on Discogs as "House, Electro" or just "Electro":
Also, if you read some of the user reviews on Discogs, there are several references to tracks from the album or consequent singles as "electro". The official Amazon review of the album uses the word "electro" to describe it.
Anyway, this is all hair-splitting. The OP asked if there is a definitive, unambiguous pioneer of electro house, and my point is that the origins of "electro house" are very murky and no single track or artist can be said to have invented the genre out of nowhere. It emerged from the electroclash scene, several key tracks helped develop its popularity and its meaning has varied somewhat down the years, as all trendy buzz-words do when people want to latch on.
Posted by Looney4Clooney on Oct-12-2012 14:53:
it is hard because as system j , these terms didn't mean the same thing.
here is an example I can give that i know for sure as it had to do with me.
At the time i wrote this in 2000, i was trying to make house with an electro feel. But there wasn't enough or I wasn't aware of it that i would of called it electro house. I honestly felt it was just house attempted by someone that listened to trance.
Some of the tracks i think i referenced or were an influence was pumpin by novy and eniac.
This is pretty much electro house in terms of production but at the time, it wasn't as in 1999 it wasn't a term.
There are so many tracks that pre date 1999 that would fall under electro house. Even daft punks homework which was mainstream has tracks that are electro house.
Even George Clinton has pretty much a sound that would be called electro house today
Posted by Spacey Orange on Dec-16-2012 06:54:
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Originally posted by Zharen
Well this is the earliest electro house tune in my collection. Far from being the first but essential esp for the time.
i've never listened to the above track till now and struck me that i heard it before, which i did, in 1994. for shame.
