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Originally posted by Arbiter While I in no way enjoy mindless dj-bashing, I have a few problems with what you are saying. First of all, when people say something "sucks" it's just their opinion. They aren't making some kind of profound attack on a person who doesn't share their point of view, they're just saying that they don't like it. Second, to suggest that a person has no right to judge a DJ unless he/she has attained similar accolades does not make any sense. Consider: 1. I can say I do not like a particular dish even though I am not a chef. 2. I can disapprove of the actions of political leaders, though I myself am not one. 3. I can frown upon a serial killer, despite my lack of experience in his field. You don't have to be able to cook the meal to get the right to say whether or not you like its taste. You don't have to be an elected official to disagree with the legislation they are proposing. You don't have to have killed anyone to say you believe that it's wrong. And you don't have to be a professional DJ to validate your analysis of a DJs talents. When people on the forums cross the line and start personally attacking another person for their opinions, I will agree they have gone too far. But merely expressing their own harms no-one, while it allows the community to better understand the broad spectrum of opinions on any given topic. Cheers, Arbiter

maybe so, but also consider this...
1. if you have never experienced being a chef or fine dining, you may have a preference of taste, but not the wisdom to critique the food.
2. if you're not a politician, and don't live their lives, and have no idea what they go through on a day to day basis, or what they have to do just to keep themselves from getting elected out, how can you only judge them based on the legislation that passed or didn't pass.
3. well, i don't think this one really fits into what we are trying to discuss, i mean you could practically say anything in lines with this.

but i do get the point you're trying to get at. yes, we are all enititled to our own unique tastes. yes, we are all enititled to have an opinion on something that we are not fully knowledgable at. but i think what davidscott is getting at are the people who have no respect for dj's in general, knowing what they go through to just to get to the point in their lives. these people also have no knowlege about the dj and just bash him/her because he came out with one bad production, or spun the wrong tunes at the local club, or came out with a latest comp. that wasn't up to par. for example, i read that "tiesto sucks" thread....c'mon people. tiesto latest stuff, i agree has not been hot, but to say he SUCKS??? that does get on my nerves.

This thread is worthless.....ur from america..and ur saying we cant voice our opinions on other deejays....

criticisms lead to improvement..no matter what happens. Hell i get pissed when i hear people day in and day out bash oakenfold. What can i do...relax and let him churn out more mixes while people miss them. I enjoy the musik i love while if i dont like a set ferry corsten made..then im sure to go out on the forum and bash him for his techniques or traklistings. Its part of being a tranceaddict. We cant all join hands and sing along together. We all have different tastes and opinions towards different sounds and subgenres of trance or progressive for that matter.

Anyways..ull learn what im talking about..so i suggest to just sit back and relax...and listen to what u like and talk about it...and listen to other stuff and if u dont like it..then there is NO REASON..for u not to talk about it..OK

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec This thread is worthless.....ur from america..and ur saying we cant voice our opinions on other deejays.... criticisms lead to improvement..no matter what happens. Hell i get pissed when i hear people day in and day out bash oakenfold. What can i do...relax and let him churn out more mixes while people miss them. I enjoy the musik i love while if i dont like a set ferry corsten made..then im sure to go out on the forum and bash him for his techniques or traklistings. Its part of being a tranceaddict. We cant all join hands and sing along together. We all have different tastes and opinions towards different sounds and subgenres of trance or progressive for that matter. Anyways..ull learn what im talking about..so i suggest to just sit back and relax...and listen to what u like and talk about it...and listen to other stuff and if u dont like it..then there is NO REASON..for u not to talk about it..OK

here we go again...

can you explain what exactly "ur from america..and ur saying we cant voice our opinions on other deejays...." means??? i don't think nationality has anything to do with this topic, does it???

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Originally posted by bluejay here we go again... can you explain what exactly "ur from america..and ur saying we cant voice our opinions on other deejays...." means??? i don't think nationality has anything to do with this topic, does it???

im tryin to say...dat he is actin like if in this country we cant voice our opinions...which we can..im not throwin any stones at anyone...dont read behind the lines...because there is nothing there

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec im tryin to say...dat he is actin like if in this country we cant voice our opinions...which we can..im not throwin any stones at anyone...dont read behind the lines...because there is nothing there

sorry, i though you could have an opinion in most countries nowadays.

bluejay: Thank you for understanding my point. It is exactly that. Voicing an opinion on someones style or production is expected.

Coming out with statements that are not backed up with ay truth or real knowledge is, in my opinion, immature. Some of us may work really hard and do not get the big breaks or the opportunities as many of the ****** DJs do. To pick apart their producitons and their skills without supporting them is just wrong(in my opinion). Earlier in this thread I made a grave mistake by contradicting myself and bashing N'sync to make a point. However, they are idols in the pop music world. I have no idea why, but they are. As for the electronic music world, I have my favorites as well as those I do not like. The one I don't like, I choose to not listen to or play. At times, I cannot unserstand why people listen to and follow some artists which I cannot stand, but I respect them. I guess that is the most important word here: RESPECT. Respect the art and the work that others do. Choose whatever style you like and allow others to choose theirs. I guess this thread can go on forever becasue everyone has their own opinions. I expected that and am open for opinons and other peoples thoughts. If I knew how dedicated everyone was to their music individually I think I would have a better understanding of where you are all coming from. To me, music is my lifeblood. I go nowhere and do nothing without this music in my ear or on my mind. I know my style and as like the music itself, it is always evolving and growing. To be really clear here, I do not mean to offend anyone on this forum becuase I do have the utmost respect for all of the words you share.

If I pay the entry fee to see a DJ and he sucks then I have every right to say so. I can base my criticisms on my own experiences as a DJ, if a so called big name is consistently rubbish then I will lose respect for them. For example, I have saw Judge Jules many times during the last year live, he has been getting progressively poorer each time but the clincher was in Ibiza where he was to drunk to do his job properly. That lack of professionalism is disgraceful in my opinion, as a promoter myself I would not like one of the DJ's I have paid thousands to do a worse job than someone who was learning to mix for a week!

I will praise those who deserve it, but some do not deserve the praise they are currently getting!

Where we are from has nothing to do with this topic. America, Europe, etc... makes no difference. If this is going to keep going, can we stick to the topic at hand. Electronic music has no borders in my mind.

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Originally posted by bluejay maybe so, but also consider this... 1. if you have never experienced being a chef or fine dining, you may have a preference of taste, but not the wisdom to critique the food.

I understand what you're saying, but most of the time, people aren't attempting to "critique" a DJs performance or recent productions. They're just stating their opinion of them. This does not require any special insight at all, nor is it harmful in any way to anyone.

I don't see how this is an issue of respect. It is my opinion that you do not simply grant respect to anyone and everyone that you encounter. Respect ought to be earned, otherwise it is meaningless. If an individual is of the opinion that a DJ's recent performances have been disappointing, then, for that person, the DJ is not earning their respect. I don't think they owe the DJ anything, as without music enthusiasts the DJ would not be famous at all.

The problem as I see it, is that people who really like something or someone take it personally when other people express opposite opinions without justifying them. There is no reason for people to make such a big deal out of other people having different tastes. I really like Gouryella - Ligaya, but it doesn't matter to me if someone wants to say that it sucks, because that's their opinion and their tastes and I respect them and I respect their right to express those opinions.

it all comes down to fanboy clubs

when their favourite dj doesn't get any limelight they can't help but verbally bash other dj's.

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Originally posted by DavidScott If this thread doesn't belong here, oh well. This seems to be the most read forum in here. I have a major issue with people who claim to be DJs who find the need to critique other DJs styles, mixes, etc... I am seeing more and more comments by those on this forum and others that are all negative. People find the need to rip apart DJs, producers and their performances. My question is this, how many of those people are WORKING DJs?? How many of them are making the money and getting the recognition that the big DJs are??? Probably not many. I have my style and I follow those with the same style. I can choose to not listen or like other's style, but to say that they suck is not my place. When I am making 25K to play at a club, then I can say what I want, but perched in my booth in my Apartment leaves me no right to dis someone elses style or the music they choose to play. That seems to be the problem with the world today, no one has the least amount of respect for others. Musis is an emotional medium. Some choose to spread it out in different ways and different styles. This was sparked from a thread on another forum regarding Barthez. One member announced he loved Barthez. Another member proceeded to make this guy feel like he should be banned from the electronic music world. Think about this, would you rather he be listening to N'Stink??? Respect others that love the music we love. It all comes from the same place..the heart...

When you're sitting at home watching the Olympics and your prided national Long Jumper unwittingly steps over the white line and fouls do you say

a) That was shit
b) That was a valiant effort, his run up was faster than I could do and he jumped a lot further than I ever could. However I feel I must comment that the jump in question was unfortunatly not up to the standard of what you'd expect from an athlete of his caliber and I fear our opponants may have been given an advantage.

If a DJ's being paid hundreds of thousands to entertain me, I'll feel free to point out when he doesn't

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