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Happened with other genres too didn't it?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J This is bullshit. J00F has never specialised in any one sound of trance, but they were releasing prog psy four or five years ago - Vibrasphere, Wizzy Noise, Anton Chernikov etc. Furthermore, Timewave is not fucking psy in any way, shape or form, and how such a massive trance obsessive as you could think so is absolutely baffling to me.

You can eat my big 15 each mamba you swollen pig. I am well aware of that there were few occasional releases by Vibrasphere and Magnus (not Timewave which I for no reason wrote in my last post) in the last couple of years but the overwhelming majority of J00F's catalogue is focused on progressive trance. The steady acts on the label such as Incolomus, Oliver Prime, The Digital Blonde, John himself are all leaned towards progressive trance. The label often reflects the stuff John plays during different eras. In the early years it was all dark progressive stuff, then when he started playing some full on he released a few full on releases such as Prosper - The Speed of Sound and White Overtone Wizard - Positivitize and when he started leaning more towards prog psy the label also put out some prog psy stuff. But still you can clearly see that the back bone is progressive trance.

real progressive trance died in..........nevermind.

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Originally posted by Mattsanity. real progressive trance died in..........nevermind.

Nevermind killed progressive trance. No, wait, it was hair metal it killed.

it's wack how paul van dyk abandoned progressive trance in 1998. I say 1997 was the best year in progressive trance.

Lol, Airwave Psy Trance...

The label he released on was even titled Bonzai Trance Progressive

I don't mean to be a dick but Above & Beyond pretty much paved the way for fluff trance artists to produce likewise.

j00f.

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Originally posted by Mattsanity. I don't mean to be a dick but Above & Beyond pretty much paved the way for fluff trance artists to produce likewise.

And you know you love it.

^January 2001 = legend

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Originally posted by srussell0018 j00f.

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Originally posted by Dawnchaser I'm a little baffled anyone would say (Armin included) that stuff like what's on JOOF wouldn't be well liked at a big show. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (it's 6 am here, too tired to do proper fact-checking right now), but isn't Sunburn by John 00 Fleming a JOOF release? I've been tossing it into my adventure/ euro type trance sets for a couple years, and the crowd fucking loves it. At least here in Washington state, the ravers appreciate funky psy-like basslines, AND epic melodies. Maybe I'm just lucky though.

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Originally posted by Kilixpree i really disagree with armin. why all this peoples doesnt get it? the crowd only enjoy to w&w tracks? LOL armin is not because they put their hands in the air that they are having fun. what you enjoy more (in a bigroom or not): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98YJKeq93fw or any w&w noised track? =\

You should see the Anjua forums they have plenty of those people including their own artists like maor levi, Boom Jinx, Arksun, Matt Lange (who said the entire trance genre is a mediocrity), Mat Zo, Paavo, Jono and Tony they are all like defending the loud noisy tracks. People who have never produced the genre or haven't produced for a while think they can bash the genre without exploring the history of the genre. A lot of people on that forum are now calling stuff from timewave and what not as home listening.

I don't know how anyone cannot dance to something as awesome this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdiOAe5caEg The hook is damn catchy and the subtly is so damn awesome.

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Originally posted by Kilixpree orkidea i dont know, but yeah, solarstone sometimes types #trancefamily blabla thanks for the support and i dont listen to asot a long time ago... and this #trancefamily is the most retard movement that i had seen in all of my life. if W&W make a song completely noised with retard synths and shits like that (and obvious, tagged as trance) and you say anything like ''omg, this is not trance" you will be flamed to the death lol

Orkidea does tag the trancefamily

https://twitter.com/DJOrkidea/status/274174338935173120

WHYYYYYYYYYYY ORKIDEA?

zzzzzzzzzz

i never saw trancefamily saying ''hey peoples go vote for this orkidea track, is really good!111" or like that.

and anjuna is dead. all his producers produces only crap sometimes. all MatZo tracks sounds the same, is ridiculous lol

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Originally posted by Kilixpree and anjuna is dead. all his producers produces only crap sometimes. all MatZo tracks sounds the same, is ridiculous lol

Lol, 80% of any genre of music sounds the same... I'd even go so far as to say 80% of any given genre is filled with throwaway trash.

It's up to each of us to find the kernels of musical greatness, and advocate them, and either find our own way to create something that evokes the same feelings the songs we love in others, or advertise and perform them so we can give others a chance to feel the same way we do when we hear it.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 You can eat my big 15 inch mamba you swollen pig.

it was inevitable something like this would happen because of the huge gap between "trance" and "trance" that has evolved

maybe it's time to call "our" trance something else, that would surely piss off all the "WHO CARES ABOUT WHAT ITS CALLED AS LONG AS ITS GOOD"-people. but yeah, the battle of the word trance is a lost cause.

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Originally posted by Dawnchaser Lol, 80% of any genre of music sounds the same... I'd even go so far as to say 80% of any given genre is filled with throwaway trash.

what? im saying about use the same construction, the same chords, the same riffs, the same kicks, and only change notes in the bassline and in the melody. like what andrew rayel do

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Originally posted by Dawnchaser Lol, 80% of any genre of music sounds the same... I'd even go so far as to say 80% of any given genre is filled with throwaway trash. It's up to each of us to find the kernels of musical greatness, and advocate them, and either find our own way to create something that evokes the same feelings the songs we love in others, or advertise and perform them so we can give others a chance to feel the same way we do when we hear it.

As you can see from the comments people think these sort of shitty tracks will make go mental in a festival. I am not a clubber so I can't really comment but surely these people tone deaf?

People want to party at a festival, they don't want to go on an emotional trance adventure letting the melodies run smoothly through their ears. Yes, that Copperfield tune will rock a festival crowd and that's fine.

I keep saying this to other people, stop paying strict attention to ASOT and other big shows and dig deep for music. In a way the amazing stuff is probably considered more underground since it's not big money big label big weekly radio show tunes of the week.

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Originally posted by bucky People want to party at a festival, they don't want to go on an emotional trance adventure letting the melodies run smoothly through their ears. Yes, that Copperfield tune will rock a festival crowd and that's fine. I keep saying this to other people, stop paying strict attention to ASOT and other big shows and dig deep for music. In a way the amazing stuff is probably considered more underground since it's not big money big label big weekly radio show tunes of the week.

Yeah but those big money grabbing dudes have a bad influence on future producers and listeners because you'll find less and less people being influenced to produce underground music due to the lack of support from the big djs. A lot of producers and listeners were influenced by a lot of stuff from the 90's. A lot of kids these days are influenced by a lot of bad soulless tripe that gets flooded into the scene no matter what genre it is. Those underground producers are struggling due to lack of funds they receive its not a bed of roses for them like it is for the commercial producers.

Good points. Didn't think of it that way.

These classification wars always amuse me. You have closed minded, elitist types that will argue all day long on this song is that, and that song is this. Some people call what I write psy, some trance, and many call it crossover. I've heard it all. If the song is good, that's all that matters. If you ask 10 people to classify a song, chances are you'll get 10 different answers, so why bother getting into all that mess in the first place. Who gives a flying fuck if someone says a song is trance, or someone else calls it psy.

The other day, someone blasted me in a comment on Facebook regarding a remix I just did of a Sean Tyas track, saying I was not a "true psy artist," and that I never would be. I was actually quite happy to read this because I never want to be labeled or classified as a trance artist, a psy artist, a whatever the fuck artist. I'm just a guy that writes music. I also hate labels that try to force me to adhere to one side of the camp with my music, something that has been done to me more times than I care to remember, and which is the reason I no longer deal with certain labels. Fuck classification, and fuck rules, because when making music, there are no rules. Focus on the music, write what you feel, write what you love, and don't get so hung up on all the little stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've heard the "fuck classifications, follow your heart!" rallying cry a million times before. Back here in the real world, genres and classifications are an essential part of finding music you enjoy. The problem is simply that the word "trance" is (rightly, these days) taken as referring to something fucking awful, a niche sound for the emotionally immature and artistically crass. The good side of the music has no name of its own, and is thus damned by association. People can't find it, people can't discover it, people won't give it a chance. This needs to change.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've heard the "fuck classifications, follow your heart!" rallying cry a million times before. Back here in the real world, genres and classifications are an essential part of finding music you enjoy. The problem is simply that the word "trance" is (rightly, these days) taken as referring to something fucking awful, a niche sound for the emotionally immature and artistically crass. The good side of the music has no name of its own, and is thus damned by association. People can't find it, people can't discover it, people won't give it a chance. This needs to change.

Exactly! I am friends with a lot of random 18-23 year olds, i basically work as a scientist at a university so hence interact with undergraduates, who are into electronic music but say trance sucks. I hand them compilations of banging 90s trance and label it as techno and they come back asking for more of that "bad ass techno" you should see the look on their faces when i tell them they just got handed a bunch of trance tracks from the 90s. The real issue is that there isnt a source of reviews and discussions telling people about good trance records. RA will tell people about underground techno and house, and they rightfully ignore swedish house mafia house etc but there simply isnt anyone out there saying armin and above and beyond are crap and J00F is good etc.

That being said i see trance making a comeback through techno. It really at its core is a subgenre of techno. If you go back and read old articles from the early trance days, it basically becomes clear how much the original artists thought they were making a certain kind of techno. Sooner or later techno artists are going to go back and rediscover the beauty of a track at 130 or greater bpm with some melodic synths and some arpeggios. its the nature of the beast. It sounds crazy but i think we need to just call the trance that is good, not trance, but something like emotional techno or progressive techno. Its at this point all about marketing.

i have never had any luck finding people playing good music on turntable of any genre, including not EDM genres, it's mostly just a collection of weird musical fetishes. i leave the DJing to the professionals and listen to my own music or spotify. i dunno i like airwave and j00f, but also like a lot of the stuff labeled crap on here and i listen to almost any genre. if people want to think trance sucks or old trance sucks or whatever, let them go somewhere else and leave more space for me.

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Originally posted by Magnus These classification wars always amuse me. You have closed minded, elitist types that will argue all day long on this song is that, and that song is this. Some people call what I write psy, some trance, and many call it crossover. I've heard it all. If the song is good, that's all that matters. If you ask 10 people to classify a song, chances are you'll get 10 different answers, so why bother getting into all that mess in the first place. Who gives a flying fuck if someone says a song is trance, or someone else calls it psy. The other day, someone blasted me in a comment on Facebook regarding a remix I just did of a Sean Tyas track, saying I was not a "true psy artist," and that I never would be. I was actually quite happy to read this because I never want to be labeled or classified as a trance artist, a psy artist, a whatever the fuck artist. I'm just a guy that writes music. I also hate labels that try to force me to adhere to one side of the camp with my music, something that has been done to me more times than I care to remember, and which is the reason I no longer deal with certain labels. Fuck classification, and fuck rules, because when making music, there are no rules. Focus on the music, write what you feel, write what you love, and don't get so hung up on all the little stuff.

Genre classification is important. Why do you think a lot of progressive house producers and listeners are so pissed about the likes of afrojack, dirty south, Jordy Lishious, Sidney Samson, Steve Aioki getting tagged under the progressive house tag?

Genre classification is important because it gives the listeners to know which tracks to buy not to buy. To a a new listener who's new to the scene he can get educate himself of how the genre is suppose to sound and the history of it as well. If it wasn't for genre classification my knowledge in so many edm genres wouldn't so broad as it is today. If everything was labelled as EDM then it would be such a mess going through so many shit tracks(as if there isn't far too many) on beatport.

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