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Great point. In summation based on the thoughts contained in this thread, I'd also like to reiterate the importance of enjoyment while working. If you do not enjoy the challenge of learning and getting better creatively, it's not for you. Also, being able to tentatively track your progress and see improvement and be encouraged is another important thing newbies lack.

Very good points here. My biggest mistakes are the same already mentioned:

- Using presets (and using HUGE amount of time going trough the presets and trying to find the right one - instead of learning how to make the sound)

- Tweaking one tiny detail for hours and never finish the track.

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Originally posted by wayfinder starting lots of projects, finishing nothing because it doesn't live up to their taste yet and they're getting frustrated, thereby only practising the first steps in making a track and never even getting to the later levels

This is all me... I've yet to finish a track. I keep making loops and sounds but I never develop them into tracks.

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Originally posted by meriter not exclusive to beginners but buying a shitload of gear thinking it's going to make you better.. like always needing one more thing. I think it's called GAS (gear acquisition syndrome)

I put a stop to this very quickly. I kept buying gear that I never even use.

My biggest problem is over thinking production. I read a lot of tech related stuff and production articles. Some of them get way too technical that suck the fun out of it. When I'm finally working on something, I get caught up in what I read that I loose interest in my work.

- Not taking the time to learn the tools/software that I have.

- Intimidation/Overwhelm... This happened to me with Live. When I first bought it, I launched it, looked at and quickly turned it off. lol I was frustrated that I didn't understand it. Than years later, one day it just clicked and bam! It's my favorite DAW now.

- Distractions... I get distracted & sidetracked very easily.

Masturbating all over your midi keyboard.

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Originally posted by MSZ Masturbating all over your midi keyboard.

lol maybe thats why people keeping buy new ones all the time... upgrading they say... rightt

Wasting production time in forums like these...

thinking a track is done before its actually done..

no seriously.. I've been so high for the last couple of days.. coming down is like coming out of a coma.. Now go back and listen to its bizarre..

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Originally posted by MSZ Masturbating all over your midi keyboard.

= Shift x 5

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Originally posted by Raphie Wasting production time in forums like these...

more truth than you think.

not exclusive to noobs, but:
-never using loops
-never using presets
-tinkering too much

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Originally posted by meriter not exclusive to beginners but buying a shitload of gear thinking it's going to make you better.. like always needing one more thing. I think it's called GAS (gear acquisition syndrome)

This.

I wouldnt say biggest, I would just make this thread, mistakes without putting so much exaggeration on the mistake. However, I do have a serious one, dont overload your project too quickly and prematurely ejaculate, I have this problem, I do it everytime! Sux. Let it simmer in that brew yo, bro brew ^_^.

Btw, this ties into my last tip.

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Originally posted by Magnus This.

And not restrict this to gear, same with VST. Torrenting all the stuff you can find just gets you in to wrong way.. Take a instument or two and learn it inside out.

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Originally posted by shpanda And not restrict this to gear, same with VST. Torrenting all the stuff you can find just gets you in to wrong way.. Take a instument or two and learn it inside out.

Definitely. Learn one VST instrument very, very well. One you have it comfortably on lock-down, choose another VST. After a while doing this process you can master multiple instruments.

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Originally posted by Evolve140 Definitely. Learn one VST instrument very, very well. One you have it comfortably on lock-down, choose another VST. After a while doing this process you can master multiple instruments.

I understand this in theory, in practice it's a little difficult and I'd be interested in advice on how to be more efficient.

I'm finding it a little too easy to get hung up on individual synth character even if I can't stand the synths workflow.

For example no matter how much I experiment, I find the 303/ABL sequencer, and korg MS-20 patch-panel VST experience to be annoying and counter intuitive. The workflow is overall, a pain. My main synths seem to come down to Diva, Zebra, and Lush101... Yet I find the sound quality of the 303 and MS-20 to be unique and wish I could find a smoother way of incorporating those elements without separate plugins.

vst collecting, I did it, i'm sure most did when they started ie using cracks , well not at first as it was hardware but when i was in school, everything was a crack and i would just get the latest and it would just never stop.

So ya,

use 1-2 sample libraries.
4 synths
a suite of fx that covers everything.

I would say almost using reason is probably a really good idea, I never did because i was using hardware but ya, i think it has come a long way.

And don't get stuck in the you suck because you need better monitors. Make smart upgrades, but don't evert delude yourself that 1 item or process will push you over the edge. That edge , is a bout a 1 - 2 year period. Like when you start to feel progress, it still takes time.

doing to many drugs at an early age,

wait until you have made it first.

or do it in very tight moderation at least.



/edit and im being dead serious here.

using old sounds.. and thinking their better than what they really are

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Originally posted by Astralist I understand this in theory, in practice it's a little difficult and I'd be interested in advice on how to be more efficient. I'm finding it a little too easy to get hung up on individual synth character even if I can't stand the synths workflow. For example no matter how much I experiment, I find the 303/ABL sequencer, and korg MS-20 patch-panel VST experience to be annoying and counter intuitive. The workflow is overall, a pain. My main synths seem to come down to Diva, Zebra, and Lush101... Yet I find the sound quality of the 303 and MS-20 to be unique and wish I could find a smoother way of incorporating those elements without separate plugins.

When I switched fully from Reason and over to Ableton, I was throwing strikes in the dark. I didn't watch any tutorials on either of them. what I did do, was spend 3 very frustrating and slow weeks getting my mind wrapped around Ableton. But the entire time, I was using Predator. It was the first experience with a VST I had. I found Ableton and Predator to be so much easier to work with and never looked back.

So anyway, before I get all sentimental, my point is that you have to really stick with it and not give up. Even if you want to start fucking around with other VSTs, force yourself to produce with it. I used only Predator with Ableton until I had them both working for me the way I wanted. I almost regretted installing Jupiter because it just seemed too overwhelming, but after I chose that as the 2nd VST I would "master", and now about 2-3 years using it, it did so much for me. If you look at the layout of the Jupiter, it really doesn't get any simpler in terms of synthesis. The principles are there. I am not an expert on the Jupiter 8V but it does exactly what I want it to do, and sometimes it even surprises me. Eventually I wanted some extra sounds so I learned Roland Bass Station like the back of my hand. Trus t me, with the right processing, the bass station is just amazing.

Now adays, I use about 2 sample packs. They are tech house sample packs, and then a third one that is more techno with lots of 909 loops. I have tons of other samples but now just by looking at the waveform of a loop I know whether or not I want to audition it. I always slice to MIDI because if I need the loop to work for me in a different way I have full control.

Having a ton of VSTs installed will confuse the shit out of you. You have to think about the fact that they ALL basically do the same thing, for the most part. But, you do need to take chances. Download VSTs you never thought you'd need or use. For instance, I have recently added the Moogi filter to my plugins. It is a filter that quite heavily colours the sound, and in the right situation it sounds great. I grabbed it on a whim, and now it's part of the processing I have on one of my favorite bass sounds at the moment.

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Originally posted by CocaineAudio using old sounds

Didn't do Daft Punk any harm, or every hip hop producer ever.

if only people used classic sounds... i do it a lot but consciounsly "new" sounds are all the same. The anjuna pluck, the unicorn supersaws, now the Jochen Miller Lead, PvD pikes... be origina ffs...

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Originally posted by vercetti Didn't do Daft Punk any harm, or every hip hop producer ever.

I don't really know if he still makes music now, but When he made his hits.. He was using sounds that were hot during that time period.. If your listening to his old stuff.. of course it will sound old to you.. synths of that time period don't sound like synths we use in todays edm world..
and rap music ? really? so your saying beats tupac and biggie rapped on sound like what's being put out today? your an idiot lol

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