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your opinion is one of someone that is very into the underground nature of whatever it is you are into. I'm talking about someone like Aoki making millions while the producers that make the music he plays make nothing of the actual music. People want to buy that music. The problem is that there is some sort of kink in the system were djs don't seem to want to promote the music they play which they use to promote themselves, and artists don't realize that djs are such a small portion of potential sales that they restrict their music to such low sales that they have to become djs to make a living. It is a vicious circle. It is on both ends and it stems from the change in how music is distributed and promoted. EDM seems to be stuck in 2000 except that you could make a living back then because people bought compilation cds. They don't anymore. They want to buy singles.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney your opinion is one of someone that is very into the underground nature of whatever it is you are into. I'm talking about someone like Aoki making millions while the producers that make the music he plays make nothing of the actual music. People want to buy that music. The problem is that there is some sort of kink in the system were djs don't seem to want to promote the music they play which they use to promote themselves, and artists don't realize that djs are such a small portion of potential sales that they restrict their music to such low sales that they have to become djs to make a living. It is a vicious circle. It is on both ends and it stems from the change in how music is distributed and promoted. EDM seems to be stuck in 2000 except that you could make a living back then because people bought compilation cds. They don't anymore. They want to buy singles.

Man, can you show me some statistics of Aoki selling records?
or any of that sort?
He's making his money from gigs, I'm 99% certain

he has a label.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay he has a label.

Cool, Sunny J has one too, are they selling records to masses though?

It isn't so much about selling records, as having a imprint (or referal point) to push your shit (literally in this case) like it was cheap merch at the door.

It's not a vinyl label. There is no overhead.

Aoki is popular. I don't know why. That being said, you try and make money off of the plebs that don't know any better.

SPEED RACER.

musical purgatory. Still makes more than I do.

I hate him for it. I have more talent in my genital warts.

Yeah he succeeds at that, though marketing ain't the matter here, It's that down the road, most producers don't make money out of record selling, no matter if they are on aoki's label or michael mayer's, so basically still not enough people buy single tracks or ep's, not enough people who are not DJ's.

As I've said man, you're in Hong Kong, take a fucking 808 on the stage and a couple of friends with a sax and drums and jam shit out for the masses, that's more credible that you think, they're entitle you as the chinese dave matthew's band or something..

I play once or twice a week for the money (and free drinks and snatch...I also like playing music). I have a day job and produce 0 of the music that I play. As much as I hate those twats, I couldn't do it.

I would love to get my hands on an 808 here. You would think that they would be easy to find....but no.

cry more, nerds

here, tears make iphones.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Even with their fucking podcasts , they don't bother doing proper indexing so that you know what is being played were without having to fucking count the transitions.

This isn't true. Some very big DJs say the track and artist on whatever label before every song.

some. And i mentioned that. Most don't.

I think the biggest issue with EDM in terms of sales of records is that , well if you were to use live bands as a metaphor, they restrict the sale of their music to other bands. That is what beatport is. Normal people don't go there.

yes, performances will always be a way to make money but it is pretty interesting that artists and labels seem to not understand that there is a huge market and that selling to djs is like bands selling music to bands.

As any producer, even big producers, and they will all tell you sales are a joke and djing is a necessity, The only ones that make money are those that sell on itunes to normal people. Lolo, probably the most known public figure on here that isn't anonymous has mentioned many times how utterly ridiculous sales are.

A number 1 beatport hit can sell 500 copies during the slow months.

Yet EDM seems to be the most in demand music. The scene is generating millions yet it seems to be focused in one area and that tends to foster an unhealthy scene.

I think the biggest issue is how you write lengthy fucking essays for topics that never warrant it ever, and nobody ever takes you seriously. You might be wasting your time.

I'd like to hear l4c talk more about the scene

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Originally posted by Sykonee Aren't orchestras technically just cover bands?

This is genius.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay I play once or twice a week for the money (and free drinks and snatch...I also like playing music). I have a day job and produce 0 of the music that I play. As much as I hate those twats, I couldn't do it. I would love to get my hands on an 808 here. You would think that they would be easy to find....but no.

I may visit China in the Summer - Shanghai and HK if I do. Hopefully I can see you drop some tranzzz bombs.

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Originally posted by Watts This is genius.

Only problem is that Beethoven never put his shit on vinyl. So ya, genius if you are an idiot.

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Originally posted by enydo I think the biggest issue is how you write lengthy fucking essays for topics that never warrant it ever, and nobody ever takes you seriously. You might be wasting your time.

are you more of a picture type guy. Perhaps you can just click that little ignore button. Pretty sure my posts are rated an IQ level above your own and I don't see why you would want to stress yourself out.

People are constantly on their phones now days anyway. Thats modern life. That being said, anything that decreases the mystery of the DJ i am in favor of. The problem is that now days some people can literally get on a stage and have mixed in key and traktor basically to bang out 2 hours of anthems and the stupid people in the crowd think that it took some real skill. hopefully this helps people realize that the idiot on the stage didnt do much.

i'm really not trying to depose the dj. The main point is that the dj is no longer the end user. That used to be the case. People still have not adapted. The amount of labels with exclusive distribution on beatport is scary.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney are you more of a picture type guy. Perhaps you can just click that little ignore button. Pretty sure my posts are rated an IQ level above your own and I don't see why you would want to stress yourself out.

Pretty sure you have like a 6th grade writing level, so I really wouldn't try to attack someone's IQ who graduated from college in real life.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney are you more of a picture type guy. Perhaps you can just click that little ignore button. Pretty sure my posts are rated an IQ level above your own and I don't see why you would want to stress yourself out.

When asking a question, one usually uses a "?".

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Pretty sure you have like a 6th grade writing level, so I really wouldn't try to attack someone's IQ who graduated from college in real life.

Not certain ? Can I assume the room for doubt is your way of telling me you will suck me off if I suck you off within a week ? Pretty sure that is what you are trying to say.

You don't get accepted for a masters program if you don't finish college. Pretty sure we went thru this. I never finished my masters and left my initial BA to go study in Montreal .

And nothing you say makes any sense.

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