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Originally posted by Rodri Santos only thing i find having a good twitter/facebook/SC following background (apart from bragging about it which should guarantee you bitches) is to support a good career. I mean your music is good, you are a good dj but you have only 500 facebook likes so promoters are a bit unsure of the potential you will have to fill the venue if instead they see 5,000 that is more impressive.

You wouldn't believe how big of a deal this is, even for top 100 dj's. Things I've heard over time... Buying followers/likes to secure sponsorship deals or to fake promotion targets. It is quite common. I'm not sure how much of this is still going on after exposing bought likes on a lot of top100 DJ's, but I bet there's still plenty of it going around.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Best way to promote yourself is through Youtube but not buy uploading your own tracks: -.

you should alway upload your stuff to youtube. Someone else will. Why waste an opportunity to bring people to your page. If you are an artist and you do not have your stuff available on youtube, you need new management.

Same goes with piracy. You leak your own material so you have control. You can leak a version with a watermark or something that you can tell like an extra drum hit. If you are worth listening to, you will be pirated. There is nothing you can do about it. But you can control what is distributed.

So many people are stuck in 1990.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney So many people are stuck in 1990.

Heeeeeey!

It was either that or born in the 90s

maybe i expressed it badly i didn't want to say that uploading your stuff is bad, you should upload it but won't be the key to sucess while getting your stuff on someone else's channel... i personally think that uploading bad quality samples to youtube/sc will only lead to people ripping off bad quality music which is negative.

why would you put bad quality samples ?

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney why would you put bad quality samples ?

people do it all the time, they upload unmastered versions, 128kbps samples or less and so on... or stupid watermarks that does not fit the purpose, having a one second of silence every minute is a good way to prevent people using it "profesionally" on radioshows,live sets etc... but people would still rip it off and download it, it's not a big pain but it makes you go angrier, i know the feeling because i once downloaded an album from a metal band that had watermarks like this and the more i listened to it the more i hated the watermarks, ended being hate to the artists.

by watermark , i meant something nobody would notice but you would know right away. You would know who was playing the legit version and who wasn't.

Posting low quality or partial previews has a significant impact on views/impressions. People demand either proper awesome teasers or just full quality complete tracks. Doing anything else (in music) often cripples the impact your promotion could have, especially for small-time artists.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney by watermark , i meant something nobody would notice but you would know right away. You would know who was playing the legit version and who wasn't.

back in the old days of vinyl pressing, the bootlegs (pirate vinyls) were a big problem. A mate used to be A&R manager for a big garage label. They knew one of the 5 pressing houses they used were knocking them off but couldn't figure out which one.

So they did a small run at each pressing house and made each one of the five masters different, and waited to see which version popped up as an unofficial white label.

Needless to say, owner of said pressing house got a damn good kicking.

Richie is right - someone will leak it or pirate it or torrent it. You might as well control the early distribution yourself.

Adding a 1 sec silence a couple of times in the track is actually the most practical way of protecting against commercial use, at least when a track is first put out - a home listener won't really care but no dj will be able to use it.

As for FB, it's becoming less and less useful for businesses; the fact you have to pay to promote to get any sort of reasonable reach completely destroys it's function. Many people simply won't click on promoted posts and $300 just to reach your fanbase isn't actually that good value as people become more and more saturated and less engaged with FB.

Actually you suggested a great approach last year or before. The pirated version has a crash or effect the legit version does not. Any degredation and someone will upload the legit version. This way, you can know who is playing the pirated version. And if you ever catch a big dj, its blackmail hour.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Actually you suggested a great approach last year or before. The pirated version has a crash or effect the legit version does not. Any degredation and someone will upload the legit version. This way, you can know who is playing the pirated version. And if you ever catch a big dj, its blackmail hour.

Yeah, my suggestion works for identifying the source for promos, but it wouldn't really be useful on a commercial basis.

I think you are right in that you would need an actual watermarking solution courts will recognize. Otherwise your evidence is easy to find holes. They could just say they added the effect.

It would be interesting to see what medium to big djs use the pirated version. I mean the days of promos are done and I can see big djs that are used to getting hand delivered versions not above gorrenting it if there is a flac version on day 1.

I see so many djs / producers who cut corners on their gear that I would not put it past them to use the same approach with music.

just a big lol at a dj being sued for playing a pirated track, im sure they all do

shit if one of the sites won't let me download a track in my region ill pirate it out of spite

if he was big enough it might get media attention and he might be shamed a bit for it but no one would really care

these guys are up there with their ipods and fuckin pre-mixed cds these days (peter hook, guetta, shm, etc)

no one apparently cares about dj integrity

didnt anyone see the future music with dahlback and his pirated plugins?

or was it avicii?

did anyone care?

Avicii but its hard to know. So many studies use pirated versions of stuff they own. I often find the process of authorizing or loging in to the site for an update a hassle that I will just use the crack. The cracks often allow more functionality ie kontakt and reaktor.

But playing a pirated track, no excuse there. And I would not sue them. Blackmail. The value of people finding out is alot and you avoid court costs and negative branding as suing is never good. Mention me in your fm interview and we are even.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Avicii but its hard to know. So many studies use pirated versions of stuff they own. I often find the process of authorizing or loging in to the site for an update a hassle that I will just use the crack. The cracks often allow more functionality ie kontakt and reaktor. But playing a pirated track, no excuse there. And I would not sue them. Blackmail. The value of people finding out is alot and you avoid court costs and negative branding as suing is never good. Mention me in your fm interview and we are even.

Also the fact that sylength has been abandoned much like korgs legacy stuff is reason to not pay. I think they consciously decided not to with their ms20 re issue.

That pisses me off enough to not give them a dime.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations no one apparently cares about dj integrity

man im his biggest fan!!

I'm in awe of you guys that make the most of the various promotional platforms. TBH, what with work and other commitments, it's all I can do to actually produce. I just don't have time for SC, FB and the others plus if I'm honest I find it incredbly tedious.

When I finally get round to sending some tracks to labels since going solo again, the fact I have about 1 follower may cost me dear!
That or the carp tracks of course.

Typically only matters for those with or the possibility of career so why woud you. Stop sending labels music. Pointless and so 1999.

lol this guy was like, "Omg, ur not even on a label. Do u even make any money on your music?" so delusional... he even threatened to beat me up until my face was unrecognizable lolololololol


anyway, awesome thread... some great thoughts in here.

Why not make interesting music? Such stuff kinda promotes itself, right?

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Originally posted by pointPi Why not make interesting music? Such stuff kinda promotes itself, right?

you are living on candyland. Promotion and networking is 80% of success 100% pure music even without a good marketing won't get you revenues you need to produce what is hot and promote it to death.

Artists should spend their time producing not promoting on FB/SC media in short, thing is that not many people are lucky enough to know the right persons and have the money to pay them to do so.

I'd just be happy to keep my day job and play at local weeklies or something every once in a while, maybe have 20 something close fans that enjoy my shit. I also think it'd be really cool to have a viral thing on youtube or something, or maybe be like one of those pretentious indie fuckfaces that gets up on kickstarter and asks for 10 grand to make a new album and ends up with a million.

I don't know why everyone is so focused on getting huge and being one of those globe touring acts, it is such an unrealistic dream. Just to make shit that other people enjoy is the first thing you should focus your efforts on. My shit is terrible and nobody likes it and I couldn't play that shit in real life in front of people without feeling intense shame. I know full well this silly hobby isn't taking my ass anywhere, it is just a fun thing to do and it would be kind of cool if I got good enough for others to like it.

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