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Just put Sausage Fattener on all the things.
Simple

Get a nice amp, then, before starting the track, lower all channels by at least 6db, do the track as usual, when proceeding to the mixing part, you will still have a good amount of headroom to mix in. Adjust all levels carefully(of course cut freqs, sidechain, mind the stereo image, transients, comress what you need etc.), get the loudness you want now(avoiding clipping) and get it ready for mastering. Good monitors are a definitive must, learned that the hard way.

This has been mentioned before but oh well.

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Originally posted by jayxthekoolest not sure if troll or clueless

10 years of watching the brickwall war man.
metalica won, time to do something else.

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Originally posted by Vernon Wanderer Get a nice amp, then, before starting the track, lower all channels by at least 6db, do the track as usual, when proceeding to the mixing part, you will still have a good amount of headroom to mix in. Adjust all levels carefully(of course cut freqs, sidechain, mind the stereo image, transients, comress what you need etc.), get the loudness you want now(avoiding clipping) and get it ready for mastering. Good monitors are a definitive must, learned that the hard way. This has been mentioned before but oh well.

Yeah this is what I do, I always have my sounds turned down around the -12db to -8db mark. However by the end of completing the song, even without boosting the volumes, I get close enough to clipping for it to be ready for mastering. It's probably because I like to layer sounds a fair bit to make them as unique as possible.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney there are some interesting studies along the lines of masking but with rhythm in particular transients. How long, how many and how that affects perception ..... I used to have a slide for a class i thought at a school i apparently never went to , i will try to find it. It is rather new about 8- 10 years old.

ur tiny penis is holdin you back

from ?

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney from ?

making more happy hardcore

oh, he got you.

don't like hardcore. happy or sad.

He ain't no Asian

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Originally posted by MIKE333ACE Yeah this is what I do, I always have my sounds turned down around the -12db to -8db mark. However by the end of completing the song, even without boosting the volumes, I get close enough to clipping for it to be ready for mastering. It's probably because I like to layer sounds a fair bit to make them as unique as possible.

Right then it's just a matter of fine-tuning to sort out the clipping, just find out if any of the sounds are at conflict with each others(by muting some sounds to find where the wild volume jumps happen), check for crazy transients and try eqing further.

Lower or rise certain channels all you want, all that matters is that there is no clipping and that there is some headroom for mastering.

The track in the OP sounds like and old Tyas track, played by DJ Eros on his limited to death podcasts. Even if the 2bus is not clipping, that track is already so full of compression, limiting, maximizing and sausage fattening that it becomes a dynamics free sausage regardless wether peaking at 0, -6, pr -12

I would recommend RESET your project, set the kick peaking around -18 and start mixing around that, only cutting and volume allowed, you need to get some air back in this mix

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Originally posted by Seandroid Well, if you feel like the sound needs to be extremely loud to have presence I think you're actually fighting against the mix. The sound is competing with something else. Also, something I had to learn pretty fast that if you put reverb on everything nothing stands out. Use it to accent certain sounds. Often times in more commercial dance tracks there aren't very many elements playing simultaneously so each one can be more powerful. If you absolutely need two sounds that occupy the same place in the frequency spectrum you could probably duck the other sound.

haha what? reverb to make it stand out? ooookay then. I'll just put my shoes on my head and my hat on my ass, because I'm clearly in wtf-land.

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Originally posted by Raphie The track in the OP sounds like and old Tyas track, played by DJ Eros on his limited to death podcasts. Even if the 2bus is not clipping, that track is already so full of compression, limiting, maximizing and sausage fattening that it becomes a dynamics free sausage regardless wether peaking at 0, -6, pr -12 I would recommend RESET your project, set the kick peaking around -18 and start mixing around that, only cutting and volume allowed, you need to get some air back in this mix

whaaat? was just gonna reply to the other post, telling him to go for -8 on the kick. is that why my mixdowns have been so shitty lately? :P

As for OP. I haven't listened to your clip, but I'd go with an exciter if u need something to pop. The trick is to have three different kinds, then you can make three sounds pop at once.

As for OP

The kick sounds god awful and is ruining the mix in and of itself. It might be the worst kick I have ever heard.

Secondly, your bass and lead synthesis is ruining the mix. All of your sounds are "loose" and result in an empty, sloppy sounding track.

Solution: Get better. lol

Thats kind of harsh Jay, don't you think?

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Thats kind of harsh Jay, don't you think?

tough? yes

accurate? yes

I believe in tough love.

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Originally posted by jayxthekoolest tough? yes accurate? yes I believe in tough love.

I see now, your toughness justifies everything you said man.

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino I see now, your toughness justifies everything you said man.

thnx man

Erghh, I can NEVER get the kick right. It always sounds fine to me but according to everyone it's way off... I'll look into it next I guess.

Here's the latest version. The breakdown/buildup after the bassline is kind of irrelevant, it will just about certainly be significantly changed. The sounds have been cleaned up a little and the lead pluck taken out.

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Originally posted by MIKE333ACE Erghh, I can NEVER get the kick right. It always sounds fine to me but according to everyone it's way off... I'll look into it next I guess. Here's the latest version. The breakdown/buildup after the bassline is kind of irrelevant, it will just about certainly be significantly changed. The sounds have been cleaned up a little and the lead pluck taken out.

Kick has a very annoying swell after the attack - me no likey. And, for god's sake, please put in a chord change - 4 minutes of Fmin makes me want to hang myself.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Kick has a very annoying swell after the attack - me no likey. And, for god's sake, please put in a chord change - 4 minutes of Fmin makes me want to hang myself.

Yeah I'll take a look at the kick. And haha, I tried doing some chord changes throughout the bassline but it didn't work. This track isn't uplifting or anything, it's just meant to be all-out dance track.

It's sort of meant to be like Porter & Weston's track, The Tesla Effect.

Kick is good.

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Kick is good.

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