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Yeah well I'm certainly not requesting any of it.

So the top 5 trance acts that need to be booked in Florida ASAP are.....

John Askew
JOC
Sneijder
Bryan Kearny
Greg Dpwney

That is all.

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Originally posted by ISOS4 you sound like an absolute tool to the industry if you ask me. Lets just get raped with 14 dollar drinks and cheesy music, go along with that? im all set. Maybe the clubs needs to realize that its not all about MONEY and its more about people experiencing the music like it should be. NYC is a huge house market, it dominates, but ya know what Esscala is bringing in every trance dj you can possibly imagine. If it was done right in florida ill put money people would show up. I hear a lot of people i know personally asking for more trance down in florida .

So you call me a tool because I'm giving you one of the reasons you don't see more trance bookings down here, makes sense to me. You're trying to tell me the drink prices at Santos and Pachita (where a lot of the Esscala events are held) aren't on that same pricing tier as the Miami clubs, yea I don't believe it because I know they are very close to same price. I see your where you're coming from about clubs needing to realize it's not all about money, great concept but at the end of the day if a venue doesn't make money you won't be partying in that venue anymore. I'll agree with you about the cheesy music part but not supporting the shit music in the beginning will never lead to who you want to see. Again it's all my opinion and just telling you guys what I've seen with trance acts and the figures at the end of the day.

Enough tooling guys. Just keep it at a debate.

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino

There's a better meme for that

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon Don't blame it on the promoters, blame it on the patrons. Promoters aren't booking trance acts because 1. there isn't enough support 2. when they do book someone everyone bitches and doesn't support (just STFU and go and it would of lead to bigger things) and 3. the bar numbers suck ass when venues book trance acts, it's not worth the investment at all. Everyone is so quick to jump on the promoters and venues for this stuff but when in actuality we as patrons need to take a good hard look at ourselves when we go out. Sure things are expensive for a night but at the end of the day it's better than not having any of your favorite music around the city you live. Just my .02 cents

This is what people were saying in NYC a year ago, that it was the patrons fault because nobody wanted trance. And it seemed to be that way, because nobody was showing up at Massive's shows and Made had jumped ship completely.

Then Esscala showed up out of nowhere and they seem to be doing JUST fine. They have a dedicated following because they started bringing in the right artists and doing things the right way.

I don't know if something similar could happen in Miami, but don't be so quick to blame the patrons. Maybe the promoters really do just suck.

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Originally posted by violethalo This is what people were saying in NYC a year ago, that it was the patrons fault because nobody wanted trance. And it seemed to be that way, because nobody was showing up at Massive's shows and Made had jumped ship completely. Then Esscala showed up out of nowhere and they seem to be doing JUST fine. They have a dedicated following because they started bringing in the right artists and doing things the right way. I don't know if something similar could happen in Miami, but don't be so quick to blame the patrons. Maybe the promoters really do just suck.

Meh, Miami crowd though for the most part isn't looking to support trance right off the bat, so both are kinda to blame. They'll need some convincing.

so if trance is dead in miami, then what term would we use for the state of trance in Tampa? The AMP is killing me. I would suck it up and see a show there every now and again, but I teach high school and have a rule that I don't attend venues or functions where I know I will see students. Since I am not as seasoned as most of you, I expect a PM whenever there is something going on that I shouldn't be missing. help a brotha out.

Trance in Tampa amounts to how popular you are. In general a lot of trance fans are real finicky, and won't support you if you're some underground DJ.

Also, teach middle school lol

PS - My friend was a high school teacher, and has the same problem almost caught a few times as well.

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Originally posted by worm304 so if trance is dead in miami, then what term would we use for the state of trance in Tampa? The AMP is killing me. I would suck it up and see a show there every now and again, but I teach high school and have a rule that I don't attend venues or functions where I know I will see students. Since I am not as seasoned as most of you, I expect a PM whenever there is something going on that I shouldn't be missing. help a brotha out.

You're SOL. All the trance shows in Tampa are 18+. Because without the 18 year olds, there wouldn't be enough tickets sold.

You could go to Martini Republic, Jackson's, or the Kennedy, but none of those venues ever book trance.

Shitty spot that trance is in, isn't it?

oh worm, too bad..

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Originally posted by BshidoHEAT Trance in Tampa amounts to how popular you are. In general a lot of trance fans are real finicky, and won't support you if you're some underground DJ. Also, teach middle school lol PS - My friend was a high school teacher, and has the same problem almost caught a few times as well.

I am not picky. I will see Markus and Ferry regardless of their direction. I just wish they would play the Kennedy or Ritz instead of the dirty amp which I won't be seen at. This is the only place I go for event listings. Seems like i check daily to see if there is anything worth while that I have the opportunity to attend. Lots of crap posted but if it's something most on here recommend, hopefully I can get to it.

Middle school is only for the truly insane. Have you ever been in a room with 25 13 year olds? No thanks!

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Originally posted by worm304 I am not picky. I will see Markus and Ferry regardless of their direction. I just wish they would play the Kennedy or Ritz instead of the dirty amp which I won't be seen at. This is the only place I go for event listings. Seems like i check daily to see if there is anything worth while that I have the opportunity to attend. Lots of crap posted but if it's something most on here recommend, hopefully I can get to it. Middle school is only for the truly insane. Have you ever been in a room with 25 13 year olds? No thanks!

Have to agree with you on the Amp that place is a total shit hole. I'm sure reason being is the Amp has a higher crowd capacity so payoff is very high turn out then other Venues. Something along those lines I guess

As a promoter (and long time fan) it isn't always the fans fault for not supporting, but usually it is. I couldn't afford to fly around every weekend for every event that I liked and I imagine it's the same way for a lot of people. It's an expensive hobby, and much akin to why fans started downloading most of their music instead of buying it. We rely on our local promoters to bring big talent to us, so we can afford to support more often.

I've been dealing with South Florida clubs and venues for the past four months trying to finalize the details for my Ferry Tayle event (and it was eventually a much larger event, but overhead changed the game). In that time 4 other promoters from different states booked him in a month or less. The community down here may be demanding certain acts, REAL trance DJs, but the numbers show otherwise.

These venues are wanting $5,000 to $10,000 bar guarantees for Fridays and Saturdays, because they know these artists won't sell, and it's not profitable for the promoters to promise that. It's expensive to fly in international DJs and then on top of that we have to pay the bar at the end of the night (let's be serious trance fans don't buy alcohol) so the overhead for the event sky rockets.

Aurora Events is an offspring from the Esscala mentality. I know them all personally, I'm good friends with the owners of EDM NYC and USTM, as well as being a member of innumerable amounts of trance communities as a whole. This past WMC I spoke with them all, we laid out a plan, and we're attacking it. The sad truth is it took months to even get a venue to give us a chance. And trust me, the venues are VERY hesitant. Why bring in a Trance DJ who's only going to attract 200 people and sell $1000 in drinks when we could bring in a house DJ who's going to bring 2000 people, sell $20,000 in drinks, and do it consistently?

I made a promise to myself and to the fans when I launched this endeavor. As long as the fans support it, I'll continue. I need you guys to help me make this successful. Miami is one of the toughest crowds to break but we CAN do it. I already have a venue who WANTS us to succeed, he WANTS a change of music and vibe, he WANTS our more awesome and mature crowd, but he also has to stay profitable. And in this business, all the risk is on the promoter.

I'm not trying to sell you Markus or Armin. They don't need my help. There are ton of talented, real trance djs who do though. And those are the guys I want to bring you.

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Originally posted by AuroraEventsLLC As a promoter (and long time fan) it isn't always the fans fault for not supporting, but usually it is. I couldn't afford to fly around every weekend for every event that I liked and I imagine it's the same way for a lot of people. It's an expensive hobby, and much akin to why fans started downloading most of their music instead of buying it. We rely on our local promoters to bring big talent to us, so we can afford to support more often. I've been dealing with South Florida clubs and venues for the past four months trying to finalize the details for my Ferry Tayle event (and it was eventually a much larger event, but overhead changed the game). In that time 4 other promoters from different states booked him in a month or less. The community down here may be demanding certain acts, REAL trance DJs, but the numbers show otherwise. These venues are wanting $5,000 to $10,000 bar guarantees for Fridays and Saturdays, because they know these artists won't sell, and it's not profitable for the promoters to promise that. It's expensive to fly in international DJs and then on top of that we have to pay the bar at the end of the night (let's be serious trance fans don't buy alcohol) so the overhead for the event sky rockets. Aurora Events is an offspring from the Esscala mentality. I know them all personally, I'm good friends with the owners of EDM NYC and USTM, as well as being a member of innumerable amounts of trance communities as a whole. This past WMC I spoke with them all, we laid out a plan, and we're attacking it. The sad truth is it took months to even get a venue to give us a chance. And trust me, the venues are VERY hesitant. Why bring in a Trance DJ who's only going to attract 200 people and sell $1000 in drinks when we could bring in a house DJ who's going to bring 2000 people, sell $20,000 in drinks, and do it consistently? I made a promise to myself and to the fans when I launched this endeavor. As long as the fans support it, I'll continue. I need you guys to help me make this successful. Miami is one of the toughest crowds to break but we CAN do it. I already have a venue who WANTS us to succeed, he WANTS a change of music and vibe, he WANTS our more awesome and mature crowd, but he also has to stay profitable. And in this business, all the risk is on the promoter. I'm not trying to sell you Markus or Armin. They don't need my help. There are ton of talented, real trance djs who do though. And those are the guys I want to bring you.

Man that's pathetic...200 people and only a grand at the bar? I knew it. Trance fans SUCK when it comes to spending money at the bar. That's 5 dollars per person or ONE BEER. What a joke.

I've never figured out how to go out and not have at least a few (several) drinks. How the hell do you just "hang out" without a few adult beverages... at a NIGHTCLUB with loud music and friends. Just strange...

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Originally posted by ucforange I've never figured out how to go out and not have at least a few (several) drinks. How the hell do you just "hang out" without a few adult beverages. Just strange...

mdma

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Originally posted by violethalo mdma

Well yeah but shouldn't they be buying $5 bottles of water??

$5 bottles of water don't make the bar when a lot are refilling in the bathroom.

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Originally posted by AuroraEventsLLC $5 bottles of water don't make the bar when a lot are refilling in the bathroom.

Nasty fucks. Embarrassing...

I wouldn't necessarily call tap water disgusting, but it's definitely not helping your promoter pay the bar tab.

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Originally posted by AuroraEventsLLC I wouldn't necessarily call tap water disgusting, but it's definitely not helping your promoter pay the bar tab.

From a club bathroom?? Lol. At least humor the bartender enough to give you ice water instead of charging you for a bottle.

But yeah, I see your point. Trance crowds seem to be much different than the other genres.

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Originally posted by ucforange Nasty fucks. Embarrassing...

I used to fill up with tap water at Pacha all the time because I hated giving them money. I do that at Marquee if I go, because charging $8 for a small bottle of water (and $20 for drinks) is obscene. I don't make that much money, and all my spare money goes towards shows. I would be living much more comfortably if I didn't have an inherent need to go to shows and festivals every week.

But if I'm at a local show or a show with a promoter that I love and respect, I open up my wallet and support them.

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Originally posted by ucforange At least humor the bartender enough to give you ice water instead of charging you for a bottle.

I just discovered this was a thing haha. I didn't know bartenders were required to serve free water until like..... three weeks ago. I don't think most people know that.

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Originally posted by violethalo I just discovered this was a thing haha. I didn't know bartenders were required to serve free water until like..... three weeks ago. I don't think most people know that.

Yeah it usually requires some sort of self-deprecating humor or gag to get them to do it. Prior to that they're all "fuck these rolling idiots I hate these EDM nights."

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