That's a really cool photo, I like the polarised filter
Posted by Lira on Jun-20-2013 05:50:
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Originally posted by pointPi
Brazil is, unlike Turkey, another emerging economy, actually a functioning democracy with a president who endorses social progress and demonstrations. What I've read however, is that Brazil has had large problems with corrupted authorities and I'd imagine segregation (which is never a good thing) is still a problem.
We don't trust authority figures here, and with a good reason
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Originally posted by DOOMBOT
This is a fact. Walk through a mall in Brazil. Inflation has jacked up the prices so high, even with the exchange from USD to reals, it's not worth spending your money on anything down there that you can get where I live. The protectionism doesn't help either. It's a jacked up economy for sure.
It's been like this for quite a while now, unfortunately Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-20-2013 05:56:
Bravilla
Posted by Lira on Jun-20-2013 05:58:
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Bravilla
I'm pretty sure that's the name of an Italian restaurant around here Posted by Lilith on Jun-20-2013 06:01:
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Originally posted by Lira
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Yeah, that's exactly what's going on. Uh-huh. Anyway, here's an article about it, and I've commented on it extensively (you can just scroll down to the comment section... the Guardian is probably the only news site in the world where you get to actually have a discussion).
You should join the cops as a reservist for a while, go out and gas, beat and shoot rubber bullets at a couple of people to get in touch with your inner fascist. It'll make you a much more balanced individual having always having been in happy-hippy academia land Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-20-2013 06:05:
lira ill give oyu 20 diniro to go rasta mcfasta some stupid dreadlocked hippy fucks with your HAUDOKEN of doom.
I seen the pics. I know you got the key to the ki. NOW UNLOCK IT.
Posted by DOOMBOT on Jun-20-2013 14:01:
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Originally posted by wotyzoid
Fred is old. As much as I like him, I'm just waiting for Felipao to cut him.
No way man. That guy is always at the right place at the right time. You could tell he was frustrated yesterday because Brazil focused too much on Neymar's side. There were many other time where either he or Lucas were wide open and the ball went the other way.
Posted by DOOMBOT on Jun-20-2013 14:04:
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Originally posted by Lira
It's been like this for quite a while now, unfortunately
I'm not really there to buy things anyway; but I feel for the people who live there who do need to pay for things.
I'll be visiting again this summer. Can not wait! We'll be swinging by Rio and I'm hoping to catch a jogo do Fluminense! Posted by Lira on Jun-20-2013 22:39:
Sent a video to the BBC. If they ever air it, tell me!
Brazilian police driven into the sea by protest on 6/19 in Rio.
It happened here, and the "sea" is barely 50 centimetres deep
Posted by hardcore trancer on Jun-21-2013 04:18:
Look at the size of that crowd!!!
Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-21-2013 16:05:
Yes Lira, I just did compare the controversy of you wearing sneakers and formal wear to the protests in Brazil on your FB.
Posted by Lira on Jun-22-2013 05:39:
Although I'm against the manifestations, this one protester is my hero:
To think it happened just a few kilometres away from my flat and I missed it
Posted by DOOMBOT on Jun-22-2013 22:29:
Anyone still doubting Fred?
Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jun-22-2013 22:55:
Fred's looked pretty good from what I've seen in recent matches, but I wondered what had happened to him after he'd left Lyon. The Brazilian league has got a lot wealthier and stronger in recent years, but I still expect top Brazilian forwards to be playing in Europe, so when Fred vanished back to Brazil he was written off with the assumption that he must be past it.
Posted by DOOMBOT on Jun-22-2013 23:05:
Fred was still a top scorer for Lyon before he was injured. Last year he helped Fluminense become champions of the Brasileirao and was also the top goal scorer in the league. I wouldn't write him off just because he moved out of a European league; the guy is still obviously a strong player and good for any team he plays on.
Posted by sensorium on Jun-23-2013 04:19:
here's hoping the protests continue and the world cup is given to mexico next year...
lol
Posted by wotyzoid on Jun-23-2013 04:22:
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Originally posted by Lira
Although I'm against the manifestations...
What the fuck Marcus, why?
And yeah I'm putting some faith back in Fred.
Posted by Lira on Jun-23-2013 05:29:
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Originally posted by wotyzoid
What the fuck Marcus, why?
It's a very odd situation to find oneself in, and I can't find a short answer. But bear with me, it requires this lengthy explanation:
My first views were initially favourable, and I almost went to the first manifestation here in Brasilia, having confirmed my presence on Facebook (that's how it all started). However, being the fussy debater that I've become thanks to TA, I wanted to know (a) what the protests are for/against and (b) what the proposed solutions are... and I decided to read the comments about it in the pages of all related events. (b) was easy to answer: although most protesters believe they should make themselves heard, a sizeable minority preached violence. This already raised some red flags. Then I tried to find out what exactly the causes are, and I must say this is the most honest headline I've seen so far:
Millions take to the streets "against everything"; groups target government buildings
I'm all for being against everything, and we have loads of things that need fixing in this country. However, being against all there is and having no idea of how to fix any of it is not a good mix. Being this clueless and impulsive while some advocate for violence is even worse. There's nothing, absolutely nothing, the president could to to appease protesters... and if you're against everything (and everyone), when can you say your demands have been met and your job is done?
Worse it, some protesters are clueless as to how our political system works. Some wanted the president to lower bus fares - that's not something she can do, and ironically enough she did what she could prior to the protests, exempting bus companies of paying all taxes. Some complained about the dire state of schools in the country, whereas the president had already destined 10% of our GDP to education, and proposed using all royalties from oil extraction to this end (this was rejected by the congress, and she's giving it a second try now). Last, but not least, some protesters are complaining we squandered public money on stadia... AFTER they were built. This misdirected anger came too late, protesters should have opposed our candidacies back in 2007 and 2009.
Also, I'm well aware this is a good sign, rather than a bad one. Unemployment has reached record lows, and inflation has come as result of an accelerating economy, so much so that we were the muse of Wall Street when we were "the last economy to plunge into the world financial crisis and bounce back from it" - and we're only feeling it now. We're also a stable democracy, which has in my life time been rocked only by Fernando Collor's impeachment. We have a long way to go, but we didn't become the world's 6th economy by accident. If there's so much anger, it's because we now feel we should have access to better services, among other things... but these protests have unfortunately been incredibly misguided. I can't believe the things I've read/seen in the last few days.
Posted by DOOMBOT on Jun-23-2013 07:37:
Lira, there are people in Brasil who finally realize that everything that the government does should, in fact, be controlled by the private persons who live there. Government, no matter what part of the world it is in, is corrupt. The people who reside within the invisible boundery lines of "Brasil" are finally starting to realize this and are trying to take back what is rightfully theirs. This is a good thing my friend.
Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-23-2013 07:39:
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Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Lira, there are people in Brasil who finally realize that everything that the government does should, in fact, be controlled by the private persons who live there. Government, no matter what part of the world it is in, is corrupt. The people who reside within the invisible boundery lines of "Brasil" are finally starting to realize this and are trying to take back what is rightfully theirs. This is a good thing my friend.
Die in a fire. Please.
Posted by DOOMBOT on Jun-23-2013 07:40:
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Die in a fire. Please.
Go fuck yourself. Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-23-2013 07:42:
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Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Go fuck yourself.
I believe thats the libertarian creed.
Posted by DOOMBOT on Jun-23-2013 07:42:
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
I believe thats the libertarian creed.
I'm serious. Go fuck yourself. Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-23-2013 07:51:
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Originally posted by DOOMBOT
I'm serious. Go fuck yourself.
With pleasure. Masturbation is fucking awesome.
Still, go play in a street tardo.
Posted by Lira on Jun-23-2013 07:56:
It's fine, Nou. I know you hate libertarianism, but I'd really like to discuss with Doombot about it because this is a very important issue to me right now. Brazil's been better
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Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Lira, there are people in Brasil who finally realize that everything that the government does should, in fact, be controlled by the private persons who live there. Government, no matter what part of the world it is in, is corrupt. The people who reside within the invisible boundery lines of "Brasil" are finally starting to realize this and are trying to take back what is rightfully theirs. This is a good thing my friend.
Actually, that's a very North American way of thinking: libertarian ideals are not well seen down here, or even popular. If anything, people have demanded more government, not less. Even those clueless individuals who want Dilma's impeachment don't dream of an anarchist/libertarian utopia - rather, they want someone else in power... and haven't really thought their plan through, because it would be akin to having George W. Bush replaced by Dick Cheney Pages (2): «1 [2]
